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Post by alleycat on Apr 5, 2013 19:53:56 GMT -4
Alleycat, I can tell you really haven't thought your argument out. Imagine the 20 year old looking forward to purchasing their first handgun next year, because they have to wait until they are 21. It isn't a matter if wanting something NOW just because OMalley says you can't have it. New gun owners come into age every day, or adults decide to pick up the hobby, or whatever reason all the time. The options of future gun owners have been severely limited without ANY provable benefit to the citizens on MD. So what if you have to wait until you're 21. And I don't think you have to, do you? I don't know.
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Post by alleycat on Apr 5, 2013 19:57:27 GMT -4
This...is...NOT....about....hunting.
Who...said...it...was.
Oh - and yep - RM is right on target.....I would honestly support a truly free society version...of course, that would require a huge amount of personal accountability and responsibility....we can't have that now can we?[/quote]
No. We clearly cannot! You can see that every d**n day.
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Post by RobMoore on Apr 5, 2013 20:06:52 GMT -4
Because people aren't held accountable, starting with the government and trickling down to everyone else.
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Post by alleycat on Apr 5, 2013 21:16:33 GMT -4
Because people don't hold themselves accountable. It starts there. It always starts there. Then if a person does not do the right thing, his fellow citizens try to make him do so. Then there grows a legal system, etc. etc. I'm sure you can figure out the rest.
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Post by RobMoore on Apr 5, 2013 21:37:19 GMT -4
We had a good one, and people keep eroding it because they don't like other people doing thing that they don't like.
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Post by Water Lady on Apr 5, 2013 23:43:32 GMT -4
UGH! I've been following along here... 1. There is no law - ever before, now or coming, that will prevent a criminal from committing a criminal act. 2. There was no (gun) law that would have prevented Adam Lanza from doing what he did in CT. The state of CT has now passed legislation that is even more restrictive for residents of that state...the law abiding residents...I don't think it mentioned anything about parents of potentially VIOLENT individuals needing to disclose ANYTHING about their psychotic offspring... 3. A law abiding citizen can pass all the background checks, fill out all the forms, get "documented," take and pass courses, get finger printed, pay the never ending fees and taxes...and so on and on and on, and it will not make him/her less a criminal/threat/danger to our society. Why? Because the law abiding citizen is just that - a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN. 4. A CRIMINAL is just that - a CRIMINAL! Always has been and always will be. "They" can pass all the laws they want and nothing will change...been there and done that - haven't we? 5. In an earlier post, someone mentioned that the government is buying-up ammunition at lightening speed and that is another FACT. Do you think they are doing this to save us from ourselves??? Nope! It's to save themselves from US! Here's what I think...at the first sign of trouble - whatever it may be - 75% to 80% of the people who live in my little neighborhood (all the anti-gun folks) are going to panic and show up in my driveway looking for help. If someone is chasing them, that will be the day I have not one extra round to spare... And finally - life long member of the NRA here. Learned how to handle firearms at the Armory in Centreville as a child and on the farm. I have guns, hunt with guns, protect myself with guns...AND, I abide by the Constitution of the U.S. of America. Too bad someone like me was not standing a post the day Adam Lanza came to school...
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Post by speedergurl68 on Apr 6, 2013 5:07:44 GMT -4
You can hunt here, but only during certain seasons, and yet people manage to hunt legally and survive the horror of restrictions. Why not be happy you live here, and not, for example, in Canada? Well, we are, but clearly not enough. But this is not about criminals. As to registering...well, you register your car, you register to get a driving license, you register to get a hunting license, a fishing license, ....... YOU keep mentioning this with the "hunting" references...so I guess, the answer is you. Driving is a privilege, fishing is a past-time, etc. We were never given the right to own a car, or the right to own a fishing rod, or the right to drive....your points are apples and oranges to the fact that a RIGHT we were given as citizens of this country is being infringed upon due to people that say "So what?!" - - so....more than they obviously understand...is what. Therein is the danger. Socialism is built on the back of apathy and laziness and a gross willingness to allow others to think for people.
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Post by alleycat on Apr 6, 2013 7:47:08 GMT -4
One of the oldest laws in the books is: "Thou shalt not kill". Has it stopped folks from killing? So, they tighten up gun control laws. What does that do to prevent the criminal, who couldn't care less about following the "gun control laws", from still getting a gun? The core issue is not the gun, it is the person using it. No manner of laws will stop human nature. This is an exercise in pure emotional reaction to a horrific event caused by one deranged person. Who pays? The law abiding citizen who just wants to own a gun for either protection or to hunt with no intent to harm others. Well, at least one person mentioned hunting first, Speedergurl, after which one might assume that people would understand some shorthand references. But, for you, ok, hunting AND protection. You can mentally make this change in all of my posts. Can't you?
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Post by topfish on Apr 6, 2013 8:35:04 GMT -4
Yesterday Gov. Perry in Texas invited anyone who is not happy with restrictive gun laws in other States to move to Texas. You can get a great deal on a Moving Truck due to the crummy economy and their business is down substantially. Homes in Texas are much less expensive and I understand they have great Friday night High School Football games. Maybe if you move there you can find out if Debbie actually does live in Dallas! There must be some jobs at Exxon. Exxon made more profits last year then Microsoft, Walmart, Apple, GM, Ford and several other top 100 Companies combined. God bless oil subsidies. Point is if you don't like the majority of fellow folks in Maryland in regard to gun legislation and the majority of Maryland Legislators then hit the road. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but in a Democracy generally majority rules and laws are made. Supreme Court helped define the 2nd Amendment a couple of years ago and according to their interpretation the Maryland gun laws are constitutional. If you cannot bear the choices of the majority then go some place where "birds of a feather can flock together".
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Post by RobMoore on Apr 6, 2013 8:58:19 GMT -4
I'll just do what I've always done to get my 30 round assault rifle magazines; ship them to a friend or relative in Virginia and go pick them up.
Yeah, that is still legal under this new law.
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Post by cranky64 on Apr 6, 2013 10:38:39 GMT -4
I think the law is bad and I will fight with others for the referendum. But after looking over the house bill that was passed one of my biggest issues was the registration of firearms that were not previously registered. Also they exempted the hand gun licenses for retired military. Don't get me wrong I'm still 100% against this piece of sheiat law.
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Post by speedergurl68 on Apr 6, 2013 14:46:58 GMT -4
One of the oldest laws in the books is: "Thou shalt not kill". Has it stopped folks from killing? So, they tighten up gun control laws. What does that do to prevent the criminal, who couldn't care less about following the "gun control laws", from still getting a gun? The core issue is not the gun, it is the person using it. No manner of laws will stop human nature. This is an exercise in pure emotional reaction to a horrific event caused by one deranged person. Who pays? The law abiding citizen who just wants to own a gun for either protection or to hunt with no intent to harm others. Well, at least one person mentioned hunting first, Speedergurl, after which one might assume that people would understand some shorthand references. But, for you, ok, hunting AND protection. You can mentally make this change in all of my posts. Can't you? Nah....I don't assume stuff you know what they say about that. As far as the reference to "thou shalt not kill" being involved in this in any way - first of all the word "kill" in that verse actually translates into "murder" (which is a specific unlawful killing) and....they didn't have guns at all when that was written so using that in a gun law debate is baffling....
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