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Post by Frank on Mar 27, 2013 11:23:09 GMT -4
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Post by freefallin on Mar 27, 2013 21:06:18 GMT -4
I've been stocking up on ammo, buying extra mags, have an order for another AR type weapon, put up a fence to keep the illegals out, practice heterosexual acts as often and as much as possible, but man....I am done with these commies! I can't go out and stock up doctors and medicines now too!
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Post by tomc on Mar 27, 2013 21:10:15 GMT -4
Because affordable healthcare should only be for old fat white guys that work for the Government, right Frank?
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Post by falgar25 on Mar 27, 2013 21:47:21 GMT -4
No, because there are so many hands in my pockets right now I can't afford someone else taking their fair share out of my paycheck!
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Post by hisea on Mar 27, 2013 21:52:22 GMT -4
Surprised?
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Post by bchevy on Mar 27, 2013 21:53:10 GMT -4
Because affordable healthcare should only be for old fat white guys that work for the Government, right Frank? Or maybe just free for those that don't or wont work for it. Hang on it's gonna be a ride to remember
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Post by Frank on Mar 28, 2013 8:05:44 GMT -4
Because affordable healthcare should only be for old fat white guys that work for the Government, right Frank? No tom, because I was promised by our President that it would be paid for through other savings, not added to the hump of the already burdened middle class worker! Why do the libs have such a hard time seeing the flaws in the system? Is it still the blinding awe of Obama?
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Post by tomc on Mar 28, 2013 8:34:01 GMT -4
Why do the conservatives have such a hard time understanding what works well throughout the remainder of the industrialized world will not only work here, but is the RIGHT thing to do...
Oh. I have the answer to that.
Fear and greed.
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Post by tomc on Mar 28, 2013 8:34:51 GMT -4
No, because there are so many hands in my pockets right now I can't afford someone else taking their fair share out of my paycheck! Really? Federal taxes are the lowest they have been in 60 years. Those "good ol' days" of the 50's that you all want to return to would put you at 17-91% federal income tax rates. Today's rates are 10-35%. www.ntu.org/tax-basics/history-of-federal-individual-1.html
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Post by eileen on Mar 28, 2013 8:51:54 GMT -4
Because affordable healthcare should only be for old fat white guys that work for the Government, right Frank? Actually tomc, those old guys you refer to that work for the Government will probably BE the only ones who have affordable healthcare under this plan. "They" opted to stick with their cushy plans and will not have to suffer the reduced services and outrageous premiums that the rest of us will suffer through.
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Post by deputy on Mar 28, 2013 9:14:46 GMT -4
Why do the conservatives have such a hard time understanding what works well throughout the remainder of the industrialized world will not only work here, but is the RIGHT thing to do... Oh. I have the answer to that. Fear and greed. Umm Maybe because it's NOT working as you say? We should be learning from the mistakes of the other countries that have tried this and failed, instead of following in their footsteps leading to failure. IF this path is so right and so good, why are the people who made the law, EXEMPT FROM IT??
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Post by Frank on Mar 28, 2013 9:22:11 GMT -4
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Post by jetskibrat on Mar 28, 2013 10:14:04 GMT -4
Wish I knew how to clean house in Washington DC voting did not work!!!!! INFURIATNG & SAD!
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Post by Frank on Mar 28, 2013 12:49:03 GMT -4
Wish I knew how to clean house in Washington DC voting did not work!!!!! INFURIATNG & SAD! I agree. It's not a Republican or Democrat thing. It's a politician thing! If politicians were elected on their own merit, and not dependant on monies from special interest groups, things would be a lot better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 17:06:02 GMT -4
....and the S&P 500 caps the record 1st quarter since 1998. Somebody out there is making a lot of money.....
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Post by barnaclebill on Mar 28, 2013 18:32:39 GMT -4
I agree. It's not a Republican or Democrat thing. It's a politician thing! If politicians were elected on their own merit, and not dependant on monies from special interest groups, things would be a lot better.[/quote]
Mr. Smith left Washington a long time ago. Besides, corporations are people too. How can you deny their right to ramp up health care costs anticipating Obamacare's full implementation in 2014?
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Post by freefallin on Mar 29, 2013 8:49:27 GMT -4
I have to disagree with that last statement. I believe this is a democrat thing since it was an attempt at socialized medicine to benefit the few with the costs passed onto the many. It is another crushing weight put on small businesses as they have to cope with another huge expense passed down by the government. Employers will cut hours to employees to keep them under the 30 hr./week limit and use contractors more and less employees since they cannot afford to offer the health coverage. At least employers still have that option to reduce their workforce voluntarily. Great idea of Obamacare to again, benefit the few and we all pay for it. For those that defend this, try being on the side that has to pay the bills as an employer. If you are not, you have no perspective of the true costs and crippling effects this will have
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Post by burnerbill on Mar 29, 2013 13:34:24 GMT -4
With the way the Obama Care Bill is set up, everyone is going to be entitled to health care. IMHO, the area of health care costs to go up will be with the population of enrollees not linked to an employer group as there will be people who could not enroll due to pre-existing conditions now able to enroll. Employer groups take into consideration what the probability is a participant joining the group may have pre-existing conditions and price accordingly. For non-group plans, it is priced based on the fact the enrollees have no pre-existing conditions, or if they do, the pre-existing condition is excluded or coverage is minimized to "new" events. Unfortunately, when all is said and done, these "health" insurance companies are in it to make $$$$. My wife happens to work in the health care industry and it seems these health insurance companies are more interested in providing the least amount of care than keeping folks fully healthy. It is a great racket for them!
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Post by bchevy on Mar 29, 2013 15:49:54 GMT -4
My wife happens to work in the health care industry and it seems these health insurance companies are more interested in providing the least amount of care than keeping folks fully healthy. It is a great racket for them! And there is the root of the problem, Health Insurance is the problem not the cure. it's nothing more than a middle man making a profit therefore driving up the cost of every aspect of healthcare and affecting the quality of heathcare by denying treatments
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Post by einebierbitte on Mar 30, 2013 9:44:34 GMT -4
the cost of medical care is directly related to the cost of the insurance companies... Perhaps that is where the big problem is. Insurance companies need to be overhauled. We pay insurance for health care, life, vehicles, renters, homeowners, many pay high premiums, and when its time to make a claim, more often than naught the claim is denied (especially in health care)...,. Ever look at the statements? We pay thousands a year to protect ourselves, and the insurance companies are the biggest bilkers or should I say scam artists. I am very naive about all of this, I don't listen to the news and read it less, my usual source of news is from my spouse, or here (thats scarry)... and when something bothers me then I do go and research it on my on and read both sides... I hate the direction that this country is heading. It's bullcrap and totally unneccessary. The answers are sitting right there in front of us, yet we can't grab it because of this cloud of political thundering that is choking the contstitutional rights of every "honest" true american citizen out there. Its clear to me that this country leaders have trampled and discarded the constitution. Perhaps they need to go back and read the Declaration of Independence and revisit the history as how this country was built and why. They have taken the basic principals and twisted them thru the years to the point that they believe in the political crap pie they serve us everyday. They have convinced the sheeple to gulp the kool aid. As Jetski said, its a shame that voting them out of office isn't the answer, because they always seem to get elected.... But it's time to put these Federal, State, Local Elected officials out of business. We need to totally fire everyone in a political position and we need to rewrite the job descriptions of those elected position and remind them that their job is to ensure that our country remains strong, our citizens provided the right to pursue thier dreams, and reminded daily that they work for the people. We don't work for them. Decisions like healthcare should be the same for every people not just for some. Illegals should be kicked out of the country or pay to be here. Pay meaning taxes, community service, learn the language, their should be no special handouts for illegals. They want to stay here then fine, this is what they do and if they don't boot them out. Hell the govt is great at making up new forms, we will now have an illegal alien income tax form that they fill out. Give them xxx amount of years to become a citizen. If they don't comply, kick them out. My main mantra at the moment is "Fire Them". Everytime someone complains about politicians thats what I say..... Perhaps eventually we will be successful. Get the sheeple to stop voting for the propaganda and start voting their conscience...... we might make some headway into really turning this country around..... or not.. like I said, I am naive..... my opinions are probaby really stupid and thats ok.... But I know for a fact that I have worked hard get where I am today, to be able to not live paycheck to paycheck, not praying to have bread, milk and diapers to get to payday and more... Worked my butt off to be able to do what I want when I want (just got back from an impromptu two week trip to Hawaii)...And it pisses me off that my federal income tax increased so much that the amount I have to pay in to the additional that I have already paid in ridiculous especially the worthless piece of crap down the street who hasn't worked for two years, collected unemployment and never claimed diddly squat is getting back over 10,000 and didn't pay anything in? WTF? Aren't the refunds supposed to be the overage of what one paid in? Why isn't that being fixed? Oh well, I am only one voice..... But you can bet I am going to do my part in getting the current elected officials out of office.....
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Post by georgej202 on Mar 30, 2013 10:56:21 GMT -4
Why do the conservatives have such a hard time understanding what works well throughout the remainder of the industrialized world will not only work here, but is the RIGHT thing to do... Oh. I have the answer to that. Fear and greed. Oh really I guess like Greece, spain, Cyprus, and Italy? It really works well. ;D And what happened to the rates not going up, per your hero? Oh I know they had to pass the bill to know whats in it. Now we know George
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Post by barnaclebill on Mar 30, 2013 18:56:27 GMT -4
Huh?
Now that the USA no longer has a stellar AAA status, all remaining countries with AAA ratings have socialized medicine.
AAA countries according to Standard & Poor’s: •Austrailia •Austria •Canada •Denmark •Finland •France •Germany •Guernsey •Hong Kong •Isle of Man •Liechtenstein •Luxembourg •Netherlands •Norway •Singapore •Sweden •Switzerland •United Kingdom
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Post by georgej202 on Mar 30, 2013 19:40:45 GMT -4
Tripple A but broke Who are you trying to kid.......
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Post by barnaclebill on Mar 30, 2013 20:48:16 GMT -4
I think blaming healthcare for the debt crisis in Spain, Italy, Cyprus and Greece is kinda misinformation and the only reason I responded. That crisis is more closely caused by the worldwide economic meltdown and unsustainable debt.
I'm a union member and I have seen my various plans' health coverage plummet. For two years any contractual wage increase went into the plan. I'm guessing I'll be exempt from any health plan tax because its no Cadillac plan. The co-pays now suck.
Its easy to blame the insurers for rising costs. Who else has a dog in this hunt? How about Medicine inc., education inc., and yes Wall St. and the people from student loans.
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Post by bchevy on Mar 30, 2013 22:03:45 GMT -4
If triple A rating means you borrow almost 1/2 of every dollar you spend, is that really a good thing?
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