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Post by Tommy on Nov 15, 2013 20:58:34 GMT -4
Actually I think it is the capacity issue of an I-S-L-A-N-D and the traffic that makes it impossible for "forward movement" on Kent Island. No. If that were true, Manhattan would have a lot less people. Kent Island is the urban population center of QAC for a reason. The only other place I can think of that can handle the growth if not on KI would be Claiborne. I have always thought Centreville area, between Symphony Village and Food Lion shopping center would be an ideal growth area, similar to Easton Parkway area with Lowe's, Kohl's Target, etc. Why are Talbot County taxes so much lower than QA.
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Post by mdbaygal on Nov 16, 2013 11:23:58 GMT -4
No. If that were true, Manhattan would have a lot less people. Kent Island is the urban population center of QAC for a reason. The only other place I can think of that can handle the growth if not on KI would be Claiborne. I have always thought Centreville area, between Symphony Village and Food Lion shopping center would be an ideal growth area, similar to Easton Parkway area with Lowe's, Kohl's Target, etc. Why are Talbot County taxes so much lower than QA. Tommy...I believe not too long ago either Home Depot or Lowes wanted to build along 301 outside Centreville. Around Ruthsburg Rd. the idea was one of those stores along with other small shops around. Wow...what a big scream fest...the antis came out big time. I don't get it. That would have been a perfect spot. Alot of the farms along that stretch are not really farmed anymore, cannot really make a profit. Another opportunity lost.
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Post by oriolesfan on Nov 16, 2013 14:49:04 GMT -4
Gee. Maybe the people who own those farms not making a profit don't want to sell it
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Post by jackbquick on Nov 16, 2013 15:02:33 GMT -4
Gee. Maybe the people who own those farms not making a profit don't want to sell it Maybe. Maybe not. We will know.
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Post by mdbaygal on Nov 16, 2013 16:00:10 GMT -4
Gee. Maybe the people who own those farms not making a profit don't want to sell it No one is saying they have to sell. However, there are those who do want to sell but are hamstrung by those feel it is their mission in life to tell others what they can and cannot do with their land. Kinda like QA county has evolved into one big HOA. No room for discussion or any middle ground. Just vocal gateclosers and Nay sayers. Now is the time to develop smart growth plans. Like or not, population is moving over. We can accept it and plan smartly or just fear monger knee jerk cross our arms, stamp our feet, scream no until we are overwhelmed and it all explodes into one big mess. Me, I want to live smartly and plan realistically for the future. Oh, and by the way, all development does not have to be just on KI. QA county is pretty big last time I drove around.
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Post by alleycat on Nov 16, 2013 16:43:10 GMT -4
Gee. Maybe the people who own those farms not making a profit don't want to sell it No one is saying they have to sell. However, there are those who do want to sell but are hamstrung by those feel it is their mission in life to tell others what they can and cannot do with their land. Kinda like QA county has evolved into one big HOA. No room for discussion or any middle ground. Just vocal gateclosers and Nay sayers. Now is the time to develop smart growth plans. Like or not, population is moving over. We can accept it and plan smartly or just fear monger knee jerk cross our arms, stamp our feet, scream no until we are overwhelmed and it all explodes into one big mess. Me, I want to live smartly and plan realistically for the future. Oh, and by the way, all development does not have to be just on KI. QA county is pretty big last time I drove around. Well, there you go. Of course not all development needs to be or should be on the island. But that's where everybody wants to put it. Have you been reading the posts? This is where smart growth has gotten us. Why do you think that there has been no talk of smart growth yet?
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Post by burnerbill on Nov 16, 2013 16:58:57 GMT -4
Could it be KI is closer to the bridge and the majority of those that want to be here need to commute to the "western side"? I am currently looking for new employment and there is absolutely NOTHING in my area of expertise on this side of the bay. All up in Baltimore or DC suburbs along the 95 and beltway corridors.
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Post by alleycat on Nov 16, 2013 19:39:47 GMT -4
Yes, we worked in dc and environs. Heck, I worked in Rockville! There are people who work in Philly. There are those who live in Chestertown and commute. I suppose people want to be closer. But they can't all live here, and they can't put every store someone might want here. Those "old folks" that Hovnanian is looking to house are presumably not concerned about working on the other side, right?? They can live off island. They don't even ave to have stores really close, because, haha, they have nothing else to do, so they can drive to Delaware and such. If you want to be closer to your work, live closer to your work.
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Post by Moto67 on Nov 16, 2013 19:46:34 GMT -4
I am not against the state building a new bridge somewhere to cut back on the traffic.
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Post by jackbquick on Nov 16, 2013 20:01:03 GMT -4
Yes, we worked in dc and environs. Heck, I worked in Rockville! There are people who work in Philly. There are those who live in Chestertown and commute. I suppose people want to be closer. But they can't all live here, and they can't put every store someone might want here. Those "old folks" that Hovnanian is looking to house are presumably not concerned about working on the other side, right?? They can live off island. They don't even ave to have stores really close, because, haha, they have nothing else to do, so they can drive to Delaware and such. If you want to be closer to your work, live closer to your work. I get it but all I can add is that people like access to the bay amenities but can't be as close to it in an affordable way on the other side.
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Post by oriolesfan on Nov 16, 2013 20:12:44 GMT -4
I'm sure if some of these farms wanted to sell it they would for the right price regardless of whether anything was built or not.
Is it really that a big a deal if nothing gets built? It's not like you can't go get what you need. Unless of course your desire is to have KI become East Waldorf. I mean look at what has happened to Crofton and the Rt 3 corridor there. It's a hot mess getting thru there at any time of the day now
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Post by jackbquick on Nov 16, 2013 20:27:49 GMT -4
I'm sure if some of these farms wanted to sell it they would for the right price regardless of whether anything was built or not. Is it really that a big a deal if nothing gets built? It's not like you can't go get what you need. Unless of course your desire is to have KI become East Waldorf. I mean look at what has happened to Crofton and the Rt 3 corridor there. It's a hot mess getting thru there at any time of the day now I am not saying I want it like that. I don't want that either but there is room to share this lifestyle with some others. To say otherwise would be selfish in my opinion. No one ever told you there was going to be a limit did they. When you crossed the bridge to live here, did you really think you would be the last one. I do think there could be a few choices. I do not like driving to easton everytime I need to shop thrifty with stores that have a large selection under one roof.
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Post by burnerbill on Nov 17, 2013 11:44:59 GMT -4
alleycat, I did commute for 4 years to Canton after I moved here, so, commuting is not an issue. The point I was making is having a few more choices on where to live on Kent Island is not going to turn this place into a "Glen Burnie" etc.. far from it. Statements like that are scare tactics. As it stands, all the stores we shop at on the island are along the Rt 50 corridor. To become a "Glen Burnie" we'd have to see shopping centers expand down Rt 8 beyond Kent Manor Road or up Rt 8 beyond the Rt 18 intersection. I doubt we will ever see that. As long as the shopping is along Rt 50 for the residents of KI, what is the problem?
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Post by emsguru on Nov 17, 2013 16:55:08 GMT -4
alleycat, I did commute for 4 years to Canton after I moved here, so, commuting is not an issue. The point I was making is having a few more choices on where to live on Kent Island is not going to turn this place into a "Glen Burnie" etc.. far from it. Statements like that are scare tactics. As it stands, all the stores we shop at on the island are along the Rt 50 corridor. To become a "Glen Burnie" we'd have to see shopping centers expand down Rt 8 beyond Kent Manor Road or up Rt 8 beyond the Rt 18 intersection. I doubt we will ever see that. As long as the shopping is along Rt 50 for the residents of KI, what is the problem? I've always wanted to point this out when folks talk about Walmart. It's not like they want to build one in romancoke. I think even the biggest pro growther would say no to that.
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Post by jackbquick on Nov 17, 2013 17:01:55 GMT -4
alleycat, I did commute for 4 years to Canton after I moved here, so, commuting is not an issue. The point I was making is having a few more choices on where to live on Kent Island is not going to turn this place into a "Glen Burnie" etc.. far from it. Statements like that are scare tactics. As it stands, all the stores we shop at on the island are along the Rt 50 corridor. To become a "Glen Burnie" we'd have to see shopping centers expand down Rt 8 beyond Kent Manor Road or up Rt 8 beyond the Rt 18 intersection. I doubt we will ever see that. As long as the shopping is along Rt 50 for the residents of KI, what is the problem? I've always wanted to point this out when folks talk about Walmart. It's not like they want to build one in romancoke. I think even the biggest pro growther would say no to that. Prett sure they would but a small store like the gourmet deli down there would be nice so you would not have to drive up 8 so much. Would cut down on traffic some.
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Post by falgar25 on Nov 17, 2013 17:29:38 GMT -4
Being like Glen Burnie isn't about changing the name of the town or the road, it isn't about building a local MVA, and it isn't about developing down Rt 8. The objectionable aspect of Glen Burnie is the non-stop commercial corridor along Rt 2 and the traffic that accompanies it.
The more nature that is paved over to build new businesses (recently, chain stores), the more Rt 50 becomes a non-stop commercial corridor. The more development there is to bring in more residents, to expand the tax base, and to increase the customer base, the more traffic there will be and the harder it will be to navigate, or escape, the Rt 50 commercial corridor.
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Post by mdbaygal on Nov 17, 2013 17:59:57 GMT -4
I've always wanted to point this out when folks talk about Walmart. It's not like they want to build one in romancoke. I think even the biggest pro growther would say no to that. Prett sure they would but a small store like the gourmet deli down there would be nice so you would not have to drive up 8 so much. Would cut down on traffic some. Jack..many years ago there was a small store in the marina at Queen Anne colony. Great, a place to pick up a loaf of bread and such so you don't have to truck all the way up Rt 8 to the ACME (Dont think the Food Lion was there yet, could be wrong). As most mom and pop stores around here do, it failed to deliver what folks wanted, never opened when you needed it, never had what you needed, way overpriced, so it too went the way of countless other small stores around here seem to do. As someone else said, I too would love to buy local and support the community, but there really isn't much too buy from a truly local vendor (not a franchise like Ledo, Ace, True Value, etc). I mean, just how many sno balls does one person need?
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Post by jackbquick on Nov 17, 2013 18:09:57 GMT -4
Being like Glen Burnie isn't about changing the name of the town or the road, it isn't about building a local MVA, and it isn't about developing down Rt 8. The objectionable aspect of Glen Burnie is the non-stop commercial corridor along Rt 2 and the traffic that accompanies it. The more nature that is paved over to build new businesses (recently, chain stores), the more Rt 50 becomes a non-stop commercial corridor. The more development there is to bring in more residents, to expand the tax base, and to increase the customer base, the more traffic there will be and the harder it will be to navigate, or escape, the Rt 50 commercial corridor. I think we are already there then. People in glen burnie must be fighting to say do not let glen burnie become baltimore.
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Post by falgar25 on Nov 17, 2013 18:16:32 GMT -4
Prett sure they would but a small store like the gourmet deli down there would be nice so you would not have to drive up 8 so much. Would cut down on traffic some. Jack..many years ago there was a small store in the marina at Queen Anne colony. Great, a place to pick up a loaf of bread and such so you don't have to truck all the way up Rt 8 to the ACME (Dont think the Food Lion was there yet, could be wrong). As most mom and pop stores around here do, it failed to deliver what folks wanted, never opened when you needed it, never had what you needed, way overpriced, so it too went the way of countless other small stores around here seem to do. As someone else said, I too would love to buy local and support the community, but there really isn't much too buy from a truly local vendor (not a franchise like Ledo, Ace, True Value, etc). I mean, just how many sno balls does one person need? The restaurant down there, Pelican Bay, was very nice too... until it closed.
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Post by jackbquick on Nov 17, 2013 18:20:41 GMT -4
Prett sure they would but a small store like the gourmet deli down there would be nice so you would not have to drive up 8 so much. Would cut down on traffic some. Jack..many years ago there was a small store in the marina at Queen Anne colony. Great, a place to pick up a loaf of bread and such so you don't have to truck all the way up Rt 8 to the ACME (Dont think the Food Lion was there yet, could be wrong). As most mom and pop stores around here do, it failed to deliver what folks wanted, never opened when you needed it, never had what you needed, way overpriced, so it too went the way of countless other small stores around here seem to do. As someone else said, I too would love to buy local and support the community, but there really isn't much too buy from a truly local vendor (not a franchise like Ledo, Ace, True Value, etc). I mean, just how many sno balls does one person need? Maybe with a few more homes down there we could finally heelp support one. Not so many homes to overrun the place but a reasonable amount to keep a gourmet deli in business. I would be so much happier to pay a little more not to drive up and down 8 for the non-esentials like I do now. I can't believe I am the only one who feels that way but I guess I am unique for feeling that way.
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Post by burnerbill on Nov 17, 2013 20:52:01 GMT -4
Being like Glen Burnie isn't about changing the name of the town or the road, it isn't about building a local MVA, and it isn't about developing down Rt 8. The objectionable aspect of Glen Burnie is the non-stop commercial corridor along Rt 2 and the traffic that accompanies it.
The more nature that is paved over to build new businesses (recently, chain stores), the more Rt 50 becomes a non-stop commercial corridor. The more development there is to bring in more residents, to expand the tax base, and to increase the customer base, the more traffic there will be and the harder it will be to navigate, or escape, the Rt 50 commercial corridor. falgar25... the traffic to go "shopping" along that Rt 50 corridor is going to come from locals!!! Folks who live on Kent Island and across the Narrows from the Grasonville area, I'd expect. I figure most folks on the other side of the Narrows may opt to go to Easton anyway. Also, I seriously doubt a resident of Cape St Claire will hop across the bridge to shop the Mega Mall on Rt 50!! Wouldn't you agree to keep the commercial aspects of business ALONG Rt 50 and not expand beyond that area? Seems your post is more about being against any expansion of shopping for the residents of KI than anything else.
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Post by falgar25 on Nov 17, 2013 21:34:55 GMT -4
Being like Glen Burnie isn't about changing the name of the town or the road, it isn't about building a local MVA, and it isn't about developing down Rt 8. The objectionable aspect of Glen Burnie is the non-stop commercial corridor along Rt 2 and the traffic that accompanies it.
The more nature that is paved over to build new businesses (recently, chain stores), the more Rt 50 becomes a non-stop commercial corridor. The more development there is to bring in more residents, to expand the tax base, and to increase the customer base, the more traffic there will be and the harder it will be to navigate, or escape, the Rt 50 commercial corridor. falgar25... the traffic to go "shopping" along that Rt 50 corridor is going to come from locals!!! Folks who live on Kent Island and across the Narrows from the Grasonville area, I'd expect. I figure most folks on the other side of the Narrows may opt to go to Easton anyway. Also, I seriously doubt a resident of Cape St Claire will hop across the bridge to shop the Mega Mall on Rt 50!! Wouldn't you agree to keep the commercial aspects of business ALONG Rt 50 and not expand beyond that area? Seems your post is more about being against any expansion of shopping for the residents of KI than anything else. Sorry, I thought I was clear.. We have enough commercial buildings along Rt 50 and on Kent Island. What business can you not live without or cannot find within reasonable driving distance? If there is an answer to that, if there is something you know you cannot live without, then why did you move here in the first place knowing full well it wasn't here? As far as only locals shopping at the businesses, we need to stop being short sighted. Today, right now, we have businesses clamoring for more housing development to bring in more customers. At the same time we have residents clamoring for new businesses. Which one will we satisfy first? Will we build 4 Seasons and bring in more customers? Does anyone honestly believe that this will not increase the pressure for more chain stores? And once those stores are built (Capriotti's, Adam's Ribs, Mr. Tire, Cracker Barrel(x2?), McD's(x2), Royal Farms, Giant, Trader Joe's, Applebees, Chilis, etc) does anyone believe they won't join the voices clamoring for more housing development to bring in more customers? When does it stop, what is Kent Island's version of the Truffula Tree?
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Post by alleycat on Nov 17, 2013 21:34:58 GMT -4
Bill. Where do you think the people who shop at the so-called outlets come from? Where do you think shoppers at Annapolis mall come from? These people are not local, and that is what will happen with any other attraction. People drive for miles to "shop" at Gucci!
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Post by burnerbill on Nov 17, 2013 23:06:57 GMT -4
falgar25 - are you implying KI HAS reached a limit? From what I see, whenever the topic of new business or additional homes comes up, there seems to be an awful lot of noise against it more than in favor. I am certain there can be some middle ground, but unfortunately not too many folks seem to be looking for that middle ground.
Also, never said there is something not here, that being on KI, I can't live without. As I would say to my wife come the weekend: "Do we have to go to the "other side" to shop for anything?". I truly believe we can improve the choices residents have on KI for shopping other than a K-Mart and Big Lots!!! Or does that reflect the customer base this island offers? People talk about the state of Maryland not being business friendly, what about KI or QAC?
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Post by sharon on Nov 20, 2013 11:53:00 GMT -4
I have lived in all corners of this country & I have seen 2 things happening in every one of them. Either an area continues to grow, which meant as population increased more businesses were brought into the general & surrounding area which brought more people which brought more businesses..........or more people came but businesses didn't come so eventually the area imploded. That is just the way it is. That's how it is here. There is such great potential for growth here of both residence & commerce & to still maintain the integrity of outside the city living but not having to do without a total variety of choices. No disrespect intended here but if you want to see how the area could be developed to benefit locals as well as profit from travelers take a ride out to Columbia, Md. They have combined multi type housing, mass commerce with a hub of a multitude of stores plus numerous businesses peppered through out some of the residential areas. The parking lots have many places that are left as rain gardens ( to break up the continuous pavement & allow for rain run off). There are trails of all kinds EVERYWHERE that interlink with parks. There are small ponds through out the area. It is like a self contained mini world. You don't see buildings sitting there for yrs empty. There isn't anything you cant find within a 20 min drive & traffic isn't bad at all. So it can be done if people open their eyes & minds to the potential. It CAN be a win/win. Sad that more folks here don't get that.... I love living on the island but my husband & I have seriously discussed moving to the Columbia area. Taxes are a bit higher but would be worth what is available.....
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