danw
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Post by danw on Nov 19, 2014 13:06:12 GMT -4
By ANGELA PRICE baytimes@kibaytimes.com STEVENSVILLE — Love Point Road resident Mike Ranelli, a vocal critic of the plan to build a year-round homeless shelter in his neighborhood, notified the Bay Times he has filed multiple complaints on both federal and state levels in effort to stop the shelter. At issue is the location of a new two-story, 8,623-square-foot building that would replace the provisional housing facility operated by Haven Ministries at 325 State St., and combine the operations of the shelter and the provisional housing under one roof. The shelter currently operates seasonally at Kent Island United Methodist Church. Read more here: www.myeasternshoremd.com/news/queen_annes_county/article_6d66ea10-f0fd-5930-adab-c69650293997.html
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Post by constructr on Nov 20, 2014 20:25:12 GMT -4
You go Mike!!
You have a lot of support!!
This whole shelter deal w/ the county stinks of corruption and pay-offs. I'm quite certain that a few commissioners were looking to have their pockets stuffed.
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Post by pineapple head on Nov 21, 2014 20:05:24 GMT -4
You go Mike!! You have a lot of support!! This whole shelter deal w/ the county stinks of corruption and pay-offs. I'm quite certain that a few commissioners were looking to have their pockets stuffed. Pay-offs? Really? To paraphrase a well-known public outburst by NFL coach Jim Mora: "Payoffs? Don't talk about payoffs! Are you kidding me? Payoffs? ..." There are a lot of conflicting stances on this shelter issue, but it seems absurd (and not at all constructive) to accuse a volunteer-driven and non-profit service for the homeless of somehow being a money grab. This sort of vague, baseless allegation can even detract from any credibility to the arguments being crafted in opposition to the shelter location (those opposed have stated their support of the mission). And such off-point comments only cloud an important issue -- not to mention being potentially libelous defamation of private citizens (and various commissioners), without even a hint of justification, let alone a shred of evidence. Some more words from Coach Mora: "You don't know what happened. You really don't know. You think you know, but you don't know." Anyone and everyone interested in the issues surrounding this shelter project deserves the complete and objective facts; no one benefits from conspiratorial speculation.
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Post by constructr on Nov 21, 2014 21:32:04 GMT -4
I fully stand by my statement! It STINKS of corruption!! There is Federal and State money that is up for grabs here. And please don't be so ignorant as to think the "non-profit" doesn't make any money. That would just be naive.
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Post by constructr on Nov 25, 2014 7:18:34 GMT -4
You may have seen the front page articles: the location of the Stevensville homeless shelter is being questioned at the state and federal level. Documentation is finally being released. We've even discovered that the shelter is intended for use by more than just Queen Anne's County. Visit www.facebook.com/saveourstevensville to view just a few of these documents. Some say this project is a "done deal." Not so fast! Last Friday, the Maryland Acting Secretary of Housing wrote that "As of today, there has been no decision made on this project...your comments and concerns will be taken into consideration." The state and county need to hear all of our voices. Not just one loud voice in the newspaper. This is a county project, using state and federal money. You have a right to determine where those tax dollars are used. Please make a difference TODAY, by contacting decision makers. For your convenience, here are contact names, numbers, emails and a sample letter. Delegate Steve Arentz 410-841-3543 Senator Steve Hershey 410- 841-3639 Commissioner Jim Moran (will be president of new commission on Dec. 3) 410-758-4098 Commissioners-elect Mark Anderson, Robert Buckey, Steve Wilson, Paul Comfort QAC Director of Housing Mike Clark 410-758-3977 QAC Housing Authority Wanda Sheppard 410-758-8634 MD DHCD - Cindy Stone, Elaine Cornick - 410-514-7000 MD Acting Secretary of Housing - Clarence Snuggs - 410-514-7000 State Representatives: steven.arentz@house.state.md.us steve.hershey@senate.state.md.us County Commissioners-elect: jmoran@qac.org andersm1944@gmail.com xlnc@dmv.com paul@comfort4commissioner.com voterobertbuckey@gmail.com Housing officials: mclark@qac.org wsheppard@qac.org StoneC@dhcd.state.md.us cornick@mdhousing.org snuggs@mdhousing.org
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Post by kidoode on Nov 25, 2014 10:18:22 GMT -4
Has anyone else noticed that Mr. Ranelli purchased his property in June 2014? Is this a case of well meaning immigrants to the Island here to save us from our own idiocy, or buyers remorse for purchasing a home bordering commercially zoned propertly?
Forget the shelter, how about a nice rendering plant.
Buyer beware.
Dooode
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Post by dano on Nov 25, 2014 10:52:09 GMT -4
Well said, Pinesapple. I'm on the fence on this. It's a love-hate dilemma thing..a NIMBY moment in time..this too shall pass.
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Post by jackbquick on Nov 25, 2014 13:02:17 GMT -4
Shouldn't this shelter be where the majority of the homeless live. Baltimore! O'Malley wants to shut down development on KI to everyone else and openly encourages people to move back to Baltimore but it is ok for the homeless to live on KI. Am I missing something here?
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Post by pckb on Nov 26, 2014 8:30:56 GMT -4
Shouldn't this shelter be where the majority of the homeless live. Baltimore! O'Malley wants to shut down development on KI to everyone else and openly encourages people to move back to Baltimore but it is ok for the homeless to live on KI. Am I missing something here? Building a homeless shelter in Baltimore won't help the homeless in QAC. You surely can not believe that if it is built in Baltimore it is just going to get rid of the homeless in QAC. How many of you that are against it, have actually stepped foot in the shelter that we have now? Or helped package meals for the needy? This year was the 1st time I went up to the old outlets to lend a hand packaging meals for the needy. I must say I was shocked at the number of families needing help. There are so many families that are just one paycheck away, or one medical bill away from being homeless. Have any of you pulled police call logs to see how many time they've been called to the homeless shelter? I'll bet they've been called more to your neighborhood house than the shelter. These people aren't drug addicts, or thugs, these people are people that have been dealt a bad hand and fighting to survive.
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Post by constructr on Nov 26, 2014 16:49:48 GMT -4
I have given over 500 lbs of food to support the homeless, so don't feed that crap here. The ISSUE is the LOCATION and the back room deals that took place to get the land and preliminary approval prior to the truth coming out. I have no doubt that anyone who is "against" the location of the proposed shelter has also contributed to helping the homeless in some way shape or form.
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Post by shorti on Nov 26, 2014 19:38:12 GMT -4
Here I go again... Does anyone know where the current winter shelter is now? By the way it opens next week... stop pushing the "it's in a residential area" line... it is now... and that specific property on state street has been operating as a transitional house for some time... granted not the size they are looking to build, true. but nonetheless - it's been there... in a "residential area, close to schools, the trail..." etc etc etc...
And I don't agree with a centreville location based on your reasoning for it's closer to services/jobs, etc... centreville looks very much like us here on kent island... difference is the services are there - but that's the shelter's job to get them to those services... or provide them with county ride tickets. now if they don't do that... well that's just kinda crappy on the shelter...
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Post by fishfulthinking on Nov 26, 2014 20:25:58 GMT -4
Worse place ever to build a shelter! The current shelter sees 3-5 people a night when it's open and you want to spend 2.7million on a 8600 square foot Bldg right next to a park, several schools a walking trail etc.No way!
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Post by Tommy on Nov 26, 2014 21:22:53 GMT -4
Here I go again... Does anyone know where the current winter shelter is now? By the way it opens next week... stop pushing the "it's in a residential area" line... it is now... and that specific property on state street has been operating as a transitional house for some time... granted not the size they are looking to build, true. but nonetheless - it's been there... in a "residential area, close to schools, the trail..." etc etc etc... And I don't agree with a centreville location based on your reasoning for it's closer to services/jobs, etc... centreville looks very much like us here on kent island... difference is the services are there - but that's the shelter's job to get them to those services... or provide them with county ride tickets. now if they don't do that... well that's just kinda crappy on the shelter... Well spoken statement Shorti. Have a wonderful holiday. We all have much to be thankful for.
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Post by frankf on Nov 26, 2014 21:32:10 GMT -4
I work next to a shelter in another county, BIGGER than the one proposed for here. It's located RIGHT NEXT to a high school and across the street from a residential area. An elementary school is no more than a 1/2 mile away. No problems from it at all.
This one will be much the same, as it has been in the past. No problem.
It must be scary living in the hateful heads of those so scared of a homeless person.
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Post by constructr on Nov 27, 2014 14:38:39 GMT -4
There you go again Frank, spewing the "hate and scared" rhetoric again. Did you move here from Ferguson? To counter your statement, I ran into a friend who volunteers at the Lighthouse Shelter in Annapolis, and told here about the proposed location for the shelter and she stated "THATS CRAZY! If most people knew what goes on in these shelters, they would NOT want them in their neighborhoods." This certainly contradicts the lies and misinformation coming from Haven Ministries.
Here is some more food for thought, "A 2013 report shows that the current winter shelter served 13 severely mentally ill and 15 chronic substance abusers. Haven’s projected security budget is $0."
So, if HM does what they say, and performs drug screens or alcohol tests on it's guests, what happens if one comes up dirty? Are They turned away? Do they leave the shelter to find a place in the park for the night? Or perhaps they are left to find shelter in the residential neighborhood? Or maybe they aren't even turned away? Perhaps they are allowed to come in, under the influence and stay?
Oh, yeah, and the "transitional home" at 325 State St. has been vacant for some time.
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Post by fishfulthinking on Nov 27, 2014 23:25:44 GMT -4
everal people have asked the same questions to haven ministries and they seem to have no answers as to what happens is someone fails a drug test, no money at all for security , there are way to many unanswered questions about this project
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Post by frankf on Nov 29, 2014 18:06:38 GMT -4
So, if HM does what they say, and performs drug screens or alcohol tests on it's guests, what happens if one comes up dirty? Are They turned away? Do they leave the shelter to find a place in the park for the night? Or perhaps they are left to find shelter in the residential neighborhood? Or maybe they aren't even turned away? Perhaps they are allowed to come in, under the influence and stay? Stupid attempts at insults ignored, what happens when a homeless person doesn't attempt to seek shelter there but lives int he community anyway? Know how many drug addicts and sex offenders live near you? Know how many in BOTH categories live near you and have just never been caught. Fear is a terrible thing. You should try living without it.
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Post by constructr on Nov 30, 2014 17:18:48 GMT -4
And again with the "fear", frank. Is that ALL you have?? When someone has a differing opinion than yours, "they live in fear!"
If that's all you have, you have nothing, my good man. Nothing. Because you certainly offer no facts.
Have a blessed day!
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Post by shorti on Dec 2, 2014 14:55:26 GMT -4
So, if HM does what they say, and performs drug screens or alcohol tests on it's guests, what happens if one comes up dirty? Are They turned away? Do they leave the shelter to find a place in the park for the night? Or perhaps they are left to find shelter in the residential neighborhood? Or maybe they aren't even turned away? Perhaps they are allowed to come in, under the influence and stay? Oh, yeah, and the "transitional home" at 325 State St. has been vacant for some time. Ugh.... Ok I must state again... I have other issues with HM but I have to call out this.... They did answer this question specifically at the community meeting... They said they set them up at a local hotel that churches pay for for the evening and then they are supposed to follow up with the person the next day and try to help them or direct them to other services. And that house has been vacant for about a year I believe because they moved the last person out if I'm not mistaken so they can move forward. It is fear... The current shelter resides in a neighborhood. Near a school - IN a school. If you had ANY IDEA what homelessness looks like here in QAC you wouldn't be saying these things. And whoever said the fact about the addicts, drunks, sex offenders in our community that live in regular normal and sometimes really nice homes is spot on.... So what's your proposal? Move them to centreville? In the middle of another residential area? Near schools and parks? So it's ok if it's not in your neighborhood?
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Post by alleycat on Dec 3, 2014 7:43:19 GMT -4
So, if HM does what they say, and performs drug screens or alcohol tests on it's guests, what happens if one comes up dirty? Are They turned away? Do they leave the shelter to find a place in the park for the night? Or perhaps they are left to find shelter in the residential neighborhood? Or maybe they aren't even turned away? Perhaps they are allowed to come in, under the influence and stay? Oh, yeah, and the "transitional home" at 325 State St. has been vacant for some time. Ugh.... Ok I must state again... I have other issues with HM but I have to call out this.... They did answer this question specifically at the community meeting... They said they set them up at a local hotel that churches pay for for the evening and then they are supposed to follow up with the person the next day and try to help them or direct them to other services. And that house has been vacant for about a year I believe because they moved the last person out if I'm not mistaken so they can move forward. It is fear... The current shelter resides in a neighborhood. Near a school - IN a school. If you had ANY IDEA what homelessness looks like here in QAC you wouldn't be saying these things. And whoever said the fact about the addicts, drunks, sex offenders in our community that live in regular normal and sometimes really nice homes is spot on.... So what's your proposal? Move them to centreville? In the middle of another residential area? Near schools and parks? So it's ok if it's not in your neighborhood? Oh boy. Another thing to worry about? Do we need to know which hotel(s) so we don't send our friends and relatives there? Do the hotels know they're putting up drug and alcohol abusers? Where is a good answer to these community problems?
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Post by constructr on Dec 3, 2014 12:53:12 GMT -4
So, if HM does what they say, and performs drug screens or alcohol tests on it's guests, what happens if one comes up dirty? Are They turned away? Do they leave the shelter to find a place in the park for the night? Or perhaps they are left to find shelter in the residential neighborhood? Or maybe they aren't even turned away? Perhaps they are allowed to come in, under the influence and stay? Oh, yeah, and the "transitional home" at 325 State St. has been vacant for some time. Ugh.... Ok I must state again... I have other issues with HM but I have to call out this.... They did answer this question specifically at the community meeting... They said they set them up at a local hotel that churches pay for for the evening and then they are supposed to follow up with the person the next day and try to help them or direct them to other services. And that house has been vacant for about a year I believe because they moved the last person out if I'm not mistaken so they can move forward. It is fear... The current shelter resides in a neighborhood. Near a school - IN a school. If you had ANY IDEA what homelessness looks like here in QAC you wouldn't be saying these things. And whoever said the fact about the addicts, drunks, sex offenders in our community that live in regular normal and sometimes really nice homes is spot on.... So what's your proposal? Move them to centreville? In the middle of another residential area? Near schools and parks? So it's ok if it's not in your neighborhood? Sure they will................ Of the 20 people I have emailed requesting this information, NONE of them have responded, at all, let alone in writing. "And if you like your insurance, you can keep it!" You probably bought that line, too, huh??
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Post by frankf on Dec 3, 2014 15:33:47 GMT -4
"And if you like your insurance, you can keep it!" And there you have it... It's Obama's fault.... Geez Rob.
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Post by constructr on Dec 3, 2014 18:59:06 GMT -4
"And if you like your insurance, you can keep it!" And there you have it... It's Obama's fault.... Geez Rob. There you go again frank; running your mouth about things you know nothing about. I never mentioned that morons name. Just merely pointing out peoples propensity to believe what they told by people who have something to gain by their ignorance. If you wish to assimilate our POS POTUS to Haven Ministries, that's your call.
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Post by shorti on Dec 3, 2014 20:23:49 GMT -4
And there you have it... It's Obama's fault.... Geez Rob. There you go again frank; running your mouth about things you know nothing about. I never mentioned that morons name. Just merely pointing out peoples propensity to believe what they told by people who have something to gain by their ignorance. If you wish to assimilate our POS POTUS to Haven Ministries, that's your call. There you go assuming things though... Before you make that kind of statement you may want to find out who you are talking to.... See I am aware that this happens... Unlike you , I have been heavily involved with the local homeless population outside of HM... So it's not ignorance, it's informed knowledge.... And... They answered that specifically at the meeting... Now back to the questions at the bottom of my post.... Nobody wants to answer those... Hello pot, meet kettle
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Post by frankf on Dec 3, 2014 20:30:35 GMT -4
And there you have it... It's Obama's fault.... Geez Rob. There you go again frank; running your mouth about things you know nothing about. I never mentioned that morons name. Just merely pointing out peoples propensity to believe what they told by people who have something to gain by their ignorance. If you wish to assimilate our POS POTUS to Haven Ministries, that's your call. Geez Rob. You should see a doctor about that hate and fear. When I have met you in the past I never knew you to be this delusional and hate-filled.
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