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Post by deputy on Jan 26, 2015 9:14:29 GMT -4
Deputy, There really isn't a difference. Whatever they paid for the lot or houses, both knew that sewer would serve the entire community just like it did in Cloverfields and Bay City. It was in the comprehensive plan and the master water and sewer plan. The only ones that your scenario applies to would be those homeowners who purchased 30+ years ago. And if you do those homeowners paid $40,000 or $50,000 for their homes. So with sewer they will be worth $250,000-$300,000. Sounds like a windfall profit to us up in Cloverfields. Why should we have to pay more taxes to help those homeowners out? We shouldn't! Big difference between buying ONE house to live and and raise your family, and buying up vacant lots that are unbuildable and having big expectations on the backs of others in order to make HUGE profits. It's a difference, and it big, and part of that is why this subject is so big. There are quite a few BIG names in this community who have dozens (or more) lots down there just waiting on this project. And it was a windfall in bay city and cloverfields ALSO. Lots went from a flat $6000. up to $30k PLUS $18k for sewer OVERNIGHT. NOW those lots are $100k. If you can even find a vacant lot.
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Post by jackbquick on Jan 26, 2015 9:43:12 GMT -4
Deputy, There really isn't a difference. Whatever they paid for the lot or houses, both knew that sewer would serve the entire community just like it did in Cloverfields and Bay City. It was in the comprehensive plan and the master water and sewer plan. The only ones that your scenario applies to would be those homeowners who purchased 30+ years ago. And if you do those homeowners paid $40,000 or $50,000 for their homes. So with sewer they will be worth $250,000-$300,000. Sounds like a windfall profit to us up in Cloverfields. Why should we have to pay more taxes to help those homeowners out? We shouldn't! Big difference between buying ONE house to live and and raise your family, and buying up vacant lots that are unbuildable and having big expectations on the backs of others in order to make HUGE profits. It's a difference, and it big, and part of that is why this subject is so big. There are quite a few BIG names in this community who have dozens (or more) lots down there just waiting on this project. And it was a windfall in bay city and cloverfields ALSO. Lots went from a flat $6000. up to $30k PLUS $18k for sewer OVERNIGHT. NOW those lots are $100k. If you can even find a vacant lot. Sewer had to be installed with or without lots. I would rather have the lots keep my cost down. When I speculated when I bought my home thinking the lot next to me would never be built on I now am glad the cost is cheaper than my monthly cell phone bill and my monthly cable bill! The lots helped with that. Who cares if they make monies. Are you anti-American Deputy. No more windfall profits anyway. The anti-growth folks took care of that. The lot owners who most paid $10,000 and a benefit assessment of $30,000 and the Impact fees $8,000 and a STEP Tank of $10,000 - there is very little profit. Thanks to people like Deputy who think it is such a big deal that lot owners make monies people like Quinn got screwed. As Quinn gets screwed for no apparent reason, apartments go up all throughout Queen Anne's County. He can't development his lots but QAC can build tons of apartments.
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Post by jackbquick on Jan 26, 2015 9:52:31 GMT -4
I feel bad for you saildogs. But homeowners in SKI are no different than the lot owners down there in that you all were making investments. Homeowners elsewhere should not have to bail you all out, like the government bailed out the banks. Just because you all can't sell the houses down there isn't our problem. You just made a bad investment. You can't blame the commissioners. You can blame a handful of your residents down there, one who was a commissioner at the time. Another who was on the corrupted Public Works Board. They all drove the train and worked in conjunction with the then sitting commissioners to not run the sewer and to spend our tax funds to pay the debt service. It borders on deceitful fraud and most people don't realize what happened. There is a BIG difference between the average Joe Homeowner in SKI, and the people who scooped up lots dirt cheap because they "KNEW" that sewer had to be coming and they would make a killing in the market when their $1000. lots jump to $30k with public sewer available. These guys took a risk and don't need to guaranteed anything on the backs of the rest of us. Joe homeowner bought a house to live in that had functioning septic and well AT THE TIME and wasn't IMO looking for huge profits down the road. Deputy, since you know so much about this topic and you talk about scooping up lots for $1,000, why are you not one of those who own 12 or more lot owners who is going to make windfall profits. Do you not like to make monies? Or.is it anti-American to make monies by making smart investments?
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Post by burnerbill on Jan 26, 2015 11:12:35 GMT -4
I agree with you Lainey. I'm sick and tired of hearing the Southern Kent Island residents whine about sewer and wanting other Queen Anne County homeowners pay for their expense. My home in Cloverfields wasn't given any state grant or county guarantee that my bill will never be over $100! Why should I and the other Cloverfields and Bay City homeowners have to subsidize those homeowners? What makes them so special? We in Cloverfields had all the lots built out. We didn't want it, but it was done and actually everything worked out ok. Nothing terrible happened. But if Southern Kent Island homeowners don't want infill, leave all the lot owners out. Pay for the system themselves, but don't use my taxes to do it. Pay for it themselves out of their own pocketbooks. Or if they really want to do it right, just put everyone on holding tanks. That way the county will not have to subsidize the homeowners like we have had to subsidize the county's sewer loan for the sewer not having gone down Route 8. What was done borders on criminal. So many residents on the north side of Kent Island have had to pay for the Southern Kent Island homeowners' lack of understanding of the issues. Shorelovinit.. where did you get information the "taxpayers" of QAC will pay for the sewer? Did they pay for the sewer in Bay City and Cloverfields? No taxpayers dollars will pay for the sewer project. It will be paid for 100% by the USERS of the system. Get your facts straight!
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Post by burnerbill on Jan 26, 2015 11:16:47 GMT -4
Why don't you get the concept, the money you are using to build that system does not allow for more homes compounding the problem. You don't get to make the rules when you use someone else's money. Pay for your own ride on that bus. State funds are for homeowners. Not speculators. And again, they tried that in MAYO, AA County, and once the pipes were in front of the lots, the law suits came, then EVERYONE could build, and BUILD they did. GO LOOK AT MAYO The plant is overwhelmed, and now they are working on shutting down the plant and pumping the crap UNDER THE SOUTH RIVER to the Annapolis Plant. You can't win here, no one can except the speculators. They will in the end. big time. Deputy, you have to blame the AA county for allowing all the buildout. Fortunately, QAC took steps to legally limit the in-fill within the existing communities in which there is precedence for such action.
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Post by ravensfan on Jan 26, 2015 13:49:05 GMT -4
This may explain some of the reason for Kevin Quinn's lawsuit. www.oag.state.md.us/Opinions/2005/90oag60.pdfNow it will be up to the courts to determine whether QAC's steps and legislation was an attempt to circumvent existing law.
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Post by jackbquick on Jan 26, 2015 14:36:57 GMT -4
This may explain some of the reason for Kevin Quinn's lawsuit. www.oag.state.md.us/Opinions/2005/90oag60.pdfNow it will be up to the courts to determine whether QAC's steps and legislation was an attempt to circumvent existing law. Yep. That was the set of commissioners who started down that path of trying to pick winners and losers. It is called the Fair Share Law for you Ayn Rand fans.
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Post by shorelovinit on Jan 26, 2015 23:21:26 GMT -4
burnerbill, First the homeowners in Bay City, Cloverfields and elsewhere in the county had their monies secretly stolen by the County to pay for the debt service that was not being paid for by planned hooking up of southern kent island. Our rates have kept going up and the reserve has all but been depleted. If anything happens where there is a major repair to the system we "homeowners" are going to receive a special assessment. I believe the current County Commissioners are saying that sewer bills could go up 20%, if not more. And all this was caused by the anti-growth activists and the commissioners working together to stop the sewer. So yes WE Homeowners and Taxpayers have had to pay for SKI not getting the planned sewer. The other area where WE the taxpayers are paying is this multi-million dollar grant to the homeowners. Must be nice for those people to get free money. As I stated before we Cloverfields homeowners didn't get any grant money like that. I think it's 10,000,000 dollars. It's taxpayers dollars, our dollars. It didn't just materialize out of thin air. So yes, the taxpayers are going to be saddled with even more bills for the unjust enrichment of homeowners. And you are right the homeowners in Cloverfields and Bay City that got sewer did not cost the taxpayers anything, because we had to pay as did the lot owners. The county needs the 10,000,000 dollars because they cut out as many lots as they could and need to get money from somewhere to make up the difference.
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Post by jackbquick on Jan 26, 2015 23:34:53 GMT -4
burnerbill, First the homeowners in Bay City, Cloverfields and elsewhere in the county had their monies secretly stolen by the County to pay for the debt service that was not being paid for by planned hooking up of southern kent island. Our rates have kept going up and the reserve has all but been depleted. If anything happens where there is a major repair to the system we "homeowners" are going to receive a special assessment. I believe the current County Commissioners are saying that sewer bills could go up 20%, if not more. And all this was caused by the anti-growth activists and the commissioners working together to stop the sewer. So yes WE Homeowners and Taxpayers have had to pay for SKI not getting the planned sewer. The other area where WE the taxpayers are paying is this multi-million dollar grant to the homeowners. Must be nice for those people to get free money. As I stated before we Cloverfields homeowners didn't get any grant money like that. I think it's 10,000,000 dollars. It's taxpayers dollars, our dollars. It didn't just materialize out of thin air. So yes, the taxpayers are going to be saddled with even more bills for the unjust enrichment of homeowners. And you are right the homeowners in Cloverfields and Bay City that got sewer did not cost the taxpayers anything, because we had to pay as did the lot owners. The county needs the 10,000,000 dollars because they cut out as many lots as they could and need to get money from somewhere to make up the difference. Yep. It is called project shake and bake. Slight of hand.
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Post by deputy on Jan 27, 2015 7:00:43 GMT -4
And again, they tried that in MAYO, AA County, and once the pipes were in front of the lots, the law suits came, then EVERYONE could build, and BUILD they did. GO LOOK AT MAYO The plant is overwhelmed, and now they are working on shutting down the plant and pumping the crap UNDER THE SOUTH RIVER to the Annapolis Plant. You can't win here, no one can except the speculators. They will in the end. big time. Deputy, you have to blame the AA county for allowing all the buildout. Fortunately, QAC took steps to legally limit the in-fill within the existing communities in which there is precedence for such action. Nope, wrong again as usual. Lawyers and the courts decided it, just like they will here. You not have a property owner in good standing, paying their taxes, and run a sewer pipe in front of their property and tell them they can not hook up to it. It didn't work across the bay, it wont work here. Watch and see.
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Post by jackbquick on Jan 27, 2015 9:06:04 GMT -4
Deputy, you have to blame the AA county for allowing all the buildout. Fortunately, QAC took steps to legally limit the in-fill within the existing communities in which there is precedence for such action. Nope, wrong again as usual. Lawyers and the courts decided it, just like they will here. You not have a property owner in good standing, paying their taxes, and run a sewer pipe in front of their property and tell them they can not hook up to it. It didn't work across the bay, it wont work here. Watch and see. Wrong again as usual Deputy! No lot consolidation ordinance was put in place in Mayo and most of Mayo was already built out so no large lot blocks. Infill on streets that have homes and lots seems logical and asking a lot owner to consolidate two lots into one and still have one lot to build on has held up in the Maryland courts. Still with Quinn. Hope he gets something for being a speculator!
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Post by ravensfan on Jan 27, 2015 10:01:32 GMT -4
The lot consolidation ordinance will be looked at by the courts. It is after all a rezoning measure that may or may not be up to court of appeals standards as far as QAC's reason and comprehensive plan.
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Post by scrump93 on Jan 27, 2015 18:12:35 GMT -4
This is 2015. Isn't it time everyone is connected to sewer? We do not live in a third world country. By the way, some of us purchased our lots in 1968. No one thought of making a windfall back then. This is where we could afford to buy. We have replaced the septic several times and so have the neighbors.
For those of you who think this is a windfall - have you actually seen the prices of the homes down here? Believe it or not, we are not all on the Bay side.
Have you seen the lots that are flooded and will not accommodate a McMansion? To the person who said we should be on a holding tank - I'll send YOU the bill to have it pumped. If you don't live down here - it's none of your business. How would YOU feel if someone told YOU what to do with YOUR property? How would YOU feel if you've replaced your septic at great expense and then have to go to a holding tank. Bet YOU wouldn't like it.
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Post by cranky64 on Jan 27, 2015 18:25:27 GMT -4
These water and sewer threads are the lifeblood of this site!
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Post by jackbquick on Jan 27, 2015 18:37:42 GMT -4
This is 2015. Isn't it time everyone is connected to sewer? We do not live in a third world country. By the way, some of us purchased our lots in 1968. No one thought of making a windfall back then. This is where we could afford to buy. We have replaced the septic several times and so have the neighbors. For those of you who think this is a windfall - have you actually seen the prices of the homes down here? Believe it or not, we are not all on the Bay side. Have you seen the lots that are flooded and will not accommodate a McMansion? To the person who said we should be on a holding tank - I'll send YOU the bill to have it pumped. If you don't live down here - it's none of your business. How would YOU feel if someone told YOU what to do with YOUR property? How would YOU feel if you've replaced your septic at great expense and then have to go to a holding tank. Bet YOU wouldn't like it. Well said! I am with Scrumpy. Have you thought about running for commissioner?
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Post by scrump93 on Jan 27, 2015 19:12:16 GMT -4
I would be a lousy paper pusher BUT I would vote for 2015 amenities.
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Post by bchevy on Jan 27, 2015 20:32:11 GMT -4
The lot consolidation ordinance will be looked at by the courts. It is after all a rezoning measure that may or may not be up to court of appeals standards as far as QAC's reason and comprehensive plan. I have no doubt this ordinance will be tossed out as an illegal action. It's basically stealing from folks. No I have no lots down there. There's no such thing as a lot down there that wont support a "mcmansion", if they can build a Holiday inn in a swamp they can build on any lot down there.
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Post by jackbquick on Jan 27, 2015 21:59:54 GMT -4
The lot consolidation ordinance will be looked at by the courts. It is after all a rezoning measure that may or may not be up to court of appeals standards as far as QAC's reason and comprehensive plan. I have no doubt this ordinance will be tossed out as an illegal action. It's basically stealing from folks. No I have no lots down there. There's no such thing as a lot down there that wont support a "mcmansion", if they can build a Holiday inn in a swamp they can build on any lot down there. Funny how BCHEVY and Deputy come out of the woodwork at the same time after not posting for so long being that they are global moderators. Same person? Yep!
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Post by jackbquick on Jan 27, 2015 22:02:43 GMT -4
I have no doubt this ordinance will be tossed out as an illegal action. It's basically stealing from folks. No I have no lots down there. There's no such thing as a lot down there that wont support a "mcmansion", if they can build a Holiday inn in a swamp they can build on any lot down there. Funny how BCHEVY and Deputy come out of the woodwork at the same time after not posting for so long being that they are global moderators. Same person? Yep! Former Commissioners Mike Koval and KIDL continue to make the same argument against solving this long standing issue. Not fair that the lot speculators make monies and there is no health problem. Total Joke!
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Post by scrump93 on Jan 27, 2015 22:15:12 GMT -4
bchevy take a minute and drive down to the Kent Point homes or the homes off of Penny. To build a McMansion without sewer you MUST have a large leeching field. The bigger the house, the bigger the field. You have to have a HUGE yard to support a McMansion because 5/6 bathrooms won't work with a little septic/leeching field. p.s. there is a large home ON THE BAY on 2 acres (know the owner). Septic failed. They are not in a community scheduled for sewer.
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Post by scrump93 on Jan 27, 2015 22:16:21 GMT -4
KIDL and Mike Koval should have no say in this issue. He lives in Chester. He has sewer.
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Post by jackbquick on Jan 27, 2015 22:25:23 GMT -4
KIDL and Mike Koval should have no say in this issue. He lives in Chester. He has sewer. Exactly. And Nick Stoer who wrote a lengthy letter and spoke tonight also.lives in Chester. Can't wait till that development across from Safeway comes up. Going to be such a thorn in his side like he is to all the homeowners in the existing SKI communities who want a final solution in place before they are next to be forced onto a $700 a month holding tank. Health Department can do that at a snap of the finger.
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Post by jackbquick on Jan 27, 2015 22:25:37 GMT -4
KIDL and Mike Koval should have no say in this issue. He lives in Chester. He has sewer. Exactly. And Nick Stoer who wrote a lengthy letter and spoke tonight also.lives in Chester. Can't wait till the Lowry Farm development across from Safeway comes up. He is the main opponent to that project. I am going to be such a thorn in his side like he is to all the homeowners in the existing SKI communities who want a final solution in place before they are next to be forced onto a $700 a month holding tank. Health Department can do that at a snap of the finger.
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Post by pineapple head on Jan 28, 2015 9:14:36 GMT -4
KIDL and Mike Koval should have no say in this issue. He lives in Chester. He has sewer. Kinda like all the folks on Kent Island that put out "not in my backyard" signs and killed the federal training center in an area outside of Centreville that most of them couldn't find with a map? Or that fought putting a box store in Kingstown, an hour away from many of them? Nothing new about this mindset. Property rights and development arguments tend to be very flexible around here ...
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Post by deputy on Jan 28, 2015 9:20:01 GMT -4
I have no doubt this ordinance will be tossed out as an illegal action. It's basically stealing from folks. No I have no lots down there. There's no such thing as a lot down there that wont support a "mcmansion", if they can build a Holiday inn in a swamp they can build on any lot down there. Funny how BCHEVY and Deputy come out of the woodwork at the same time after not posting for so long being that they are global moderators. Same person? Yep! Good luck with that one..... You've tried that before... Nice to see you're tracking my posts- OCD much? I've never been in the woodwork to have a need to come out of it. it's just when so many stupid & false statements are made it's hard to hold back.
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