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Post by matapeaker on Jun 25, 2015 16:35:42 GMT -4
It should have been outlawed after the Civil War or after Lincoln was assassinated. its a symbol of KKK hatred & divides Americans. "Do all that you can to live in peace with everyone." Romans 12:15
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Post by island21638 on Jun 25, 2015 17:27:00 GMT -4
REPRINT from an article only!
The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism.... I don't think so. I for one know the history and I'm from the North and married to an Alabama girl for the last 36 years. The red, white and blue stand for the same as our US flag. Red= valor, blue= justice and white for purity. The stars are the 13 original colonies. Not far from ours today. The difference lies in the interpretation. First it was never a state flag. It was designed as a battle flag for the southern states. The X is the main difference. It represents the south wanting out of the Union after the northern aggression to push their laws on the south. It was the succession movement which is what lead to the civil war. It never had or represented race or racism, slavery or even white supremacy that some believe it did. Simply their wanting to leave the union... Please do your own research. People need to actually read a history book! Something that teachers do not teach and politicians with hidden agendas continue to destroy historic documents so they can pass their agendas. Which is continuing to enslave the people by taking away our ability to be free people. What I mean by that, they use our tax dollars to live like royalty, They love big government because they can hide from accountability. Meanwhile they do everything possible to keep us from gaining financial security. IRS, Taxes, USDA, FDA, EPA, and every government agency is like a leech and sucking every dollar out of our wallets. You want to abolish something- get rid of the government control that is in our lives. They are not allowing the people to be free. Stop voting for these politicians that vote for their buddies and making themselves millionaires while screwing the people.
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Post by funnel101 on Jun 25, 2015 20:52:03 GMT -4
No, sorry, the Confederate flag does indeed represent slavery and racism. The "Cornerstone Speech" spells it out pretty clearly: Please click here for more information: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech
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Post by oriolesfan on Jun 25, 2015 21:24:47 GMT -4
Yeah ban that flag but the Nazi and ISIS are easily bought
Liberal idiots
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Post by ravens20 on Jun 25, 2015 21:52:58 GMT -4
Yeah ban that flag but the Nazi and ISIS are easily bought Liberal idiots At least you're recognizing the similarities between the Confederacy, Nazis, and ISIS. Personally I don't think it should be banned, if I see someone with a confederate flag it gives me a good idea of the type of moron that I'll be dealing with. Although it absolutely shouldn't be flown by a State government.
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Post by KITransplant on Jun 25, 2015 22:18:44 GMT -4
It should have been outlawed after the Civil War or after Lincoln was assassinated. its a symbol of KKK hatred & divides Americans. "Do all that you can to live in peace with everyone." Romans 12:15 Why did you display it if you want to abolish it? We all know what it looks like.
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Post by Frank on Jun 26, 2015 6:51:11 GMT -4
Personally, I have no problem with the flag. I have never associated it with the KKK, slavery, hatred, or anything other than the Dukes of Hazzard television show. Maybe because I'm not old enough to remember slavery, or maybe because I don't feel a flag alone can divide Americans. Racism comes from your upbringing; your parents, your friends, people you grew up with. Nobody is just born a racist. If people would just look for the good in people rather than the differences, they would see we are all just people, living together, trying to get by. If a flag honestly bothers that many people, just remove it, but I don't think that is going to make anything go away. Time heals all wounds. A few generations from now, when there are no more Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons to fuel the cause, things will get better.
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Post by alanr on Jun 26, 2015 7:05:42 GMT -4
Personally, I have no problem with the flag. I have never associated it with the KKK, slavery, hatred, or anything other than the Dukes of Hazzard television show. Maybe because I'm not old enough to remember slavery, or maybe because I don't feel a flag alone can divide Americans. Racism comes from your upbringing; your parents, your friends, people you grew up with. Nobody is just born a racist. If people would just look for the good in people rather than the differences, they would see we are all just people, living together, trying to get by. If a flag honestly bothers that many people, just remove it, but I don't think that is going to make anything go away. Time heals all wounds. A few generations from now, when there are no more Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons to fuel the cause, things will get better. I think Frank said it better than anybody. Case closed!
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Post by deepsea on Jun 26, 2015 7:22:39 GMT -4
Ban this flag!
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Post by puddintane on Jun 26, 2015 10:07:35 GMT -4
funnel101, that speech which you cite is one opinion of one mid-19th-century man, Alexander Stephens, who was ardently pro-slavery although anti-secession. (And if one reads the full speech and not just the cherry-picked portion, one can see that there were far more points in the speech than just Mr. Stephens' conviction of his own superiority.) I'm sure some others of the time shared his opinion while some did not, but regardless the speech is just that, a speech, and is not an "officially adopted position" of the Confederate States. A flag is a symbol and can represent many different things to many different people. In fact, the flag that appears to be in question is not even technically "the" Confederate flag, it is the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia (in its square form) and/or the Confederate Naval Jack or the Battle Flag of the Army of Tennessee (in its rectangular form.) Where it represents racism and hate is in its corrupted use, post-war, by the KKK in their terrorist activities.
Frank has an interesting proposal -- "... if a flag honestly bothers that many people, just remove it." But then what to do about the people who are bothered by its removal? And how many are "that many?" Contrary to what funnel101 stated, it does not represent slavery and racism to everyone -- it did not back then, and it does not now. To some, it represents the idea of independence from invasion of one's home state (what back in that day was considered to be one's country -- we were "united states" independent from each other. It's the reason an anguished and torn Robert E. Lee resigned from the Federal army to join the Confederacy -- he felt that his "country", his home, the Commonwealth of Virginia, was being invaded.) To others it might represent the valor and bravery of those soldiers who left home and hearth in order to drive out the invaders and protect that home -- my great-great grandfathers were in that category. Neither of them ever owned a slave in their lives, but they felt a duty to protect their homes, and the flags that I put on their grave sites every Decoration Day are put there to honor that dedication to duty, as are the flags that I put on the graves of my ancestors who served on the Federal side, or in the U.S. military in conflicts since. And I will continue to do so, as long as it's still legal to buy red, white, and blue fabric and I have a needle and thread. (Plus there are many other versions of "Confederate flags" that many people aren't able to even recognize apparently, so there's that.)
My point is that no single entity can determine the "meaning" for everyone else in the world of so varied a symbol. Where does it stop? I read that Apple Computers, in its zeal to appear politically correct, has now removed all Civil War battlefield games from their repertoire of video games, because apparently the mere sight of an historically correct battle flag used in an historically correct context might cause an attack of the vapors. Is it only the bumper stickers on pick-up trucks, or do we now start "blurring out" the image of the flag in all books, museums, and other historical representations like, oh, say, the Gettysburg Visitors' Center? How about all those headstones in the cemeteries that have the initials "CSA" engraved on them -- should we go in like ISIS troops and hack those letters out with a chisel? It's inane. The institution of slavery existed for far longer under the flag of the United States of America than it did under the flag of the Confederacy -- should we tear down that flag also? (For the record, Mr. Farrakhan has already called for that in recent days.) Should we tear down the Jefferson Memorial and burn Monticello to the ground? After all, the man owned slaves. Don't forget the Washington Monument and Mt. Vernon while we're at it. And what about the Lincoln Memorial? His wife's family were slaveholders, and he married into that "hate"-filled family, right? Just because we may not like parts of our history, should we pretend those parts never happened? Should we negate everything good about our past, or past individuals, because of one thing we don't care for? It's history -- our liking it or not liking it is not going to change it. What matters is how we act and what we do and how we respect others.
I think Frank has the correct idea -- a flag in and of itself does not cause hatred, nor racism, nor horrific murders committed by insane individuals. Knee-jerk, feel-good reactions like "oh just ban this, it'll fix it!" are such childish responses to serious problems. In my Bible, Romans 12:15 does not say "Do all that you can to live in peace with everyone," but rather "Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep." However, verse 18 does say "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men," and with that I do agree. I try to take as a first step in that direction (even though it can be hard sometimes, such as when people like ravens20 assume I'm a "moron") to try and remember that different people see things differently, as is their right. It is everyone's job to respect those differences, to try not to take offense at every little thing where no offense was intended, to look for the good in all people, and to do all we can to prevent law-breaking before or when it occurs. So if I ever see a flag breaking a law, I'll do something about it. Until that time, I'll try to restrict myself to focusing on the mentally-disturbed individuals who are breaking the law.
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Post by pineapple head on Jun 26, 2015 10:35:12 GMT -4
Censorship does not win hearts or minds, and eliminating symbols does not solve the underlying problems -- this politically correct activisim only solidifies the divide, and escalates tension. It's a dangerous slippery slope, and an ironic way to defend freedom.
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Post by alleycat on Jun 26, 2015 12:23:42 GMT -4
REPRINT from an article only!The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism.... I don't think so. I for one know the history and I'm from the North and married to an Alabama girl for the last 36 years. The red, white and blue stand for the same as our US flag. Red= valor, blue= justice and white for purity. The stars are the 13 original colonies. Not far from ours today. The difference lies in the interpretation. First it was never a state flag. It was designed as a battle flag for the southern states. The X is the main difference. It represents the south wanting out of the Union after the northern aggression to push their laws on the south. It was the succession movement which is what lead to the civil war. It never had or represented race or racism, slavery or even white supremacy that some believe it did. Simply their wanting to leave the union... Please do your own research. People need to actually read a history book! Something that teachers do not teach and politicians with hidden agendas continue to destroy historic documents so they can pass their agendas. Which is continuing to enslave the people by taking away our ability to be free people. What I mean by that, they use our tax dollars to live like royalty, They love big government because they can hide from accountability. Meanwhile they do everything possible to keep us from gaining financial security. IRS, Taxes, USDA, FDA, EPA, and every government agency is like a leech and sucking every dollar out of our wallets. You want to abolish something- get rid of the government control that is in our lives. They are not allowing the people to be free. Stop voting for these politicians that vote for their buddies and making themselves millionaires while screwing the people. It was the secession movement, not succession. Cripes! This is a reprint from where? What bs.
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Post by alleycat on Jun 26, 2015 12:27:51 GMT -4
Personally, I have no problem with the flag. I have never associated it with the KKK, slavery, hatred, or anything other than the Dukes of Hazzard television show. Maybe because I'm not old enough to remember slavery, or maybe because I don't feel a flag alone can divide Americans. Racism comes from your upbringing; your parents, your friends, people you grew up with. Nobody is just born a racist. If people would just look for the good in people rather than the differences, they would see we are all just people, living together, trying to get by. If a flag honestly bothers that many people, just remove it, but I don't think that is going to make anything go away. Time heals all wounds. A few generations from now, when there are no more Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons to fuel the cause, things will get better. Wow. Only the jesse jacksons of the world fuel the fire?!
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Post by constructr on Jun 26, 2015 18:52:03 GMT -4
Please. You're going to blame a flag for the terrible actions of a psycho? The true racists in today's world are AL Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Eric Holder, Marilyn Mosby, Obama, etc. These people choose to DIVIDE, rather then UNITE any chance they get. Where is all the outrage of the brutal murders of the Savopoulos family? I knew Savvas and he was a great person! That low life and his partners who were most certainly black stabbed a 10 year old boy 49 imes, cut Savvas' wife's throat, ear to ear and smashed Savvas' skull in. Where are Al, Jesse, and Obama now? ? They have turned the tables on racism in this country and they should be ashamed of themselves and I hope they rot in hell for it.
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Post by matapeaker on Jun 26, 2015 21:02:49 GMT -4
The responses re: ridding the Confederate flag in public, especially government, places, have been interesting, impassioned & sometimes scholarly sounding, which makes for colorful Pro-board reading. I'd assumed most folks felt like my family felt when we learned of the flags removal from conspicuous places: a sense of relief & thankfulness to God for a little bit of good news during these tumultuous times. I'm writing with sincerity knowing that one day we will all give an account to God for every word we've spoken or written (Romans 14:12). Disliking this flag doesn't mean my family loves the works of ISIS, Nazis, hate mongers, murderers, or any of the other unpleasantries outlined above. Many African Americans think the Confederate flag symbolizes something dark & sinister, a walking dead reminder of the shameful shadowlands that taint American, especially Southern, history. I Just want our country: black, white, all races, to love each other & get along. Skin color doesn't matter. "For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the LORD. Walk as children of light. (For the fruit of the Spirit is in All Goodness, Righteousness, & Truth), Finding out what is acceptable to the LORD." Ephesians 5:8-10
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Post by RobMoore on Jun 26, 2015 21:41:43 GMT -4
The want to ban that flag is more treasonous to the ideals of this nation than the want to fly it.
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Post by emsguru on Jun 26, 2015 22:32:09 GMT -4
as a total joke. maybe the best way for the Left to get rid of the flag is to say that it was the battle flag of the Democrats during the civil war! Since the Right likes to say that Lincoln was a republican.
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Post by deepsea on Jun 27, 2015 6:47:39 GMT -4
Which on is more racist? Ban one you have to ban the other.
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Post by RobMoore on Jun 27, 2015 7:33:57 GMT -4
Thunder thunder thunder thundercats, hooooo.
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Post by matapeaker on Jun 27, 2015 10:00:40 GMT -4
I'm not too surprised by some of your racist comments. Blacks make up <3% of Kent Island's population after all. Nevertheless, my family & I will thank the Lord for the more loving rhetoric coming out of Charleston where blacks & whites have been brought together by the shed blood of 9 saints who met their Maker while worshipping Him! God bless them! I hope you confederate flag-o-philes find a good Emanuel AME church type service to attend this weekend to sweeten your souls up a wee bit. Just leave your guns at home. Have a blessed weekend.
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Post by alleycat on Jun 27, 2015 13:01:58 GMT -4
Please. You're going to blame a flag for the terrible actions of a psycho? The true racists in today's world are AL Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Eric Holder, Marilyn Mosby, Obama, etc. These people choose to DIVIDE, rather then UNITE any chance they get. Where is all the outrage of the brutal murders of the Savopoulos family? I knew Savvas and he was a great person! That low life and his partners who were most certainly black stabbed a 10 year old boy 49 imes, cut Savvas' wife's throat, ear to ear and smashed Savvas' skull in. Where are Al, Jesse, and Obama now? ? They have turned the tables on racism in this country and they should be ashamed of themselves and I hope they rot in hell for it. Do u really see no difference between the (presumed) actions and intent of the charleston guy and the dc guy(s)? I'm so sorry for you.
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Post by deepsea on Jun 27, 2015 15:31:05 GMT -4
I'm not too surprised by some of your racist comments. Blacks make up <3% of Kent Island's population after all. Nevertheless, my family & I will thank the Lord for the more loving rhetoric coming out of Charleston where blacks & whites have been brought together by the shed blood of 9 saints who met their Maker while worshipping Him! God bless them! I hope you confederate flag-o-philes find a good Emanuel AME church type service to attend this weekend to sweeten your souls up a wee bit. Just leave your guns at home. Have a blessed weekend. I find your use of matapeaker offensive! How dare you use a Indain name. You should of put up this This is for the heck of it! and we should ban this also and thanks for the smite
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Post by bchevy on Jun 27, 2015 18:04:07 GMT -4
NEWSFLASH:
It's NOT the FLAG that's the PROBLEM.........
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Post by deepsea on Jun 27, 2015 20:09:59 GMT -4
Good catch BC but they are all inanimate object.
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Post by constructr on Jun 27, 2015 20:30:49 GMT -4
Please. You're going to blame a flag for the terrible actions of a psycho? The true racists in today's world are AL Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Eric Holder, Marilyn Mosby, Obama, etc. These people choose to DIVIDE, rather then UNITE any chance they get. Where is all the outrage of the brutal murders of the Savopoulos family? I knew Savvas and he was a great person! That low life and his partners who were most certainly black stabbed a 10 year old boy 49 imes, cut Savvas' wife's throat, ear to ear and smashed Savvas' skull in. Where are Al, Jesse, and Obama now? ? They have turned the tables on racism in this country and they should be ashamed of themselves and I hope they rot in hell for it. Do u really see no difference between the (presumed) actions and intent of the charleston guy and the dc guy(s)? I'm so sorry for you. You're right. The difference is the Charleston racist psycho killed 9 innocent people and racist Daron Wint and his accomplices only brutally slaughtered 4 innocent people. My mistake.
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