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Post by moosie on Aug 30, 2007 15:27:46 GMT -4
question and a comment: what is the law about stopping for people in crosswalks. it means stopping for people in crosswalks, doesn't it? does it mean stopping anywhere and everywhere someone wants to step out? (clearly, one should not make a habit of running people over, but shouldn't there be an expectation that people will pop up in crosswalk, where you might be taking care, rather that wherever they happen to be, where you are not expecting them? does anyone know the law here? why does d*** near every thread get highjacked by certain people--guests, although guests should have manners--to talk about their police agendas over and over? can we stay on topic and stop the same old boring crud? just saying. maybe you should start your own thread and keep it there.
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Post by Pete Richter on Aug 30, 2007 18:01:38 GMT -4
Rob.........Correct me if I'm wrong...........Passing on the right, on a highway with two or more lanes traveling in the same direction, is not illegal......Using the shoulder on a one lane highway to pass a vehicle making a left turn is not illegal. Example: Rt.#8........ Left lane hogging is not illegal as long as the hog is doing the speed limit. Slower traffic to keep right is for those doing less that the posted speed limit.
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Post by bchevy on Aug 30, 2007 19:16:08 GMT -4
IDEA: Why not See the DRIVING THREAD, or start a NEW THREAD, this one is on FIRE LANES
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Post by Rob on Aug 31, 2007 14:46:05 GMT -4
..back on firelanes and tying it to my original post.
The OP was complaining about why it isn't enforced? I would guess because its not important enough, at least in the couple places I see it violated. Between BlockBuster and that Chinese food place? Sure, parking one "spot" closer to the businesses is marked as "fire lane", but be realistic, is an SUV sitting there really going to impede a responding firetruck?
Its illegal, sure, but its worth maybe at most a day of enforcement to "raise awareness" as politicians like to say.
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Post by Pete Richter on Sept 1, 2007 8:59:42 GMT -4
Rob............Inforcing traffic laws can go two ways.....#1 Letter of the law = Strictly enforce the law without giving a break to any violator. Example: Citizen calls about one car parked in violation, and there are other violations in view. Every violation is ticketed......#2 Spirit of the law = Common sense. Example: Fire lane violator is picking up a crippled elderly person, and there is no fire. No ticked should be issued.
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Post by bchevy on Sept 1, 2007 9:20:20 GMT -4
Lazy buttheads that cant park and walk into the post office should = Big Fat TICKET
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Post by skywatcher on Sept 1, 2007 9:34:37 GMT -4
The problem here Pete is that when you go with the spirit of the law, and give the elderly a break thats parked illegally and then a lazy butthead does it, should they get a ticket? If you say yes, then you are not treating everyone equally, which is where profiling and discrimination come from, and if you say no, then why even have the law to begin with? As I see it, its a catch 22.
Now back to the original topic.....something else that burns me up is when those people park in the firelane and drop their passenger off so they can run in the store or wherever, and the driver justs sits in the firelane in their car. Why cant they just move into the parking lot and when they see their passenger come out, just pull back up and pick them up. Ugggghh!
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Post by kl on Sept 1, 2007 11:07:33 GMT -4
Because it's a "me first and last" mentality, and when they do attempt to enforce the law, quickly become defensive and wonder why they're being given a ticket.
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Post by Rob on Sept 1, 2007 14:10:22 GMT -4
Now back to the original topic.....something else that burns me up is when those people park in the firelane and drop their passenger off so they can run in the store or wherever, and the driver justs sits in the firelane in their car. Why does that bother you? Are they in your way? If not, it shouldn't be an issue, since they are with the vehicle and are able to move it if the need arises.
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Post by bchevy on Sept 1, 2007 15:14:26 GMT -4
Why does that bother you? Are they in your way? If not, it shouldn't be an issue, since they are with the vehicle and are able to move it if the need arises. YES ROB THEY ARE IN MY FRIGGIN WAY! LAZY BUTTHEADS AT THE STEVENSVILLE POST OFFICE, THERE'S ISN'T ENOUGH ROOM FOR THREE LANES, ONLY TWO. wHEN THE LAZY BUTTHEADS PARK THEIR LAZY ARSE IN THE FIRE LANE THEY MAKE PEOPLE STOP TO LET ONCOMING TRAFFIC CLEAR. THEY ARE IN MY WAY, AND YOUR WAY, EVEN IF YOU DON'T KNOW IT. OR MAYBE YOU'RE THE BUTTHEAD? I DON'T KNOW. It's NOT a long walk, EVEN if you park at the other end of the lot, IT'S NOT THAT FAR, And that little walk wont hurt most of US.
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Post by Pete Richter on Sept 1, 2007 17:14:13 GMT -4
My Friends........The reality is this. In the future the government will have the technology to watch everything we do. Dollars will exit our pockets for every minor infraction the law. The game is revenue, not public safety. As I was told by crime fighter Lt. Gary Foster M.S.P., "One mile over the speed limit is a violation". ..............When the seat belt law was instituted the police were not permitted to stop you for just a seat belt violation, they needed a moving violation first. Now they have road blocks just for seat belts.......Shortening the amber light for the red light cameras jeopardized our safety for the God Almighty dollar......... " Don't do as I do, do as I say I'm the long long arm of the law".
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Post by Same Deputy on Sept 1, 2007 17:30:51 GMT -4
My Friends........The reality is this. In the future the government will have the technology to watch everything we do. Dollars will exit our pockets for every minor infraction the law. The game is revenue, not public safety. As I was told by crime fighter Lt. Gary Foster M.S.P., "One mile over the speed limit is a violation". ..............When the seat belt law was instituted the police were not permitted to stop you for just a seat belt violation, they needed a moving violation first. Now they have road blocks just for seat belts.......Shortening the amber light for the red light cameras jeopardized our safety for the God Almighty dollar......... " Don't do as I do, do as I say I'm the long long arm of the law". Pete, What does that have to do with this topic? Bchevy is totally correct on this. There is no reason to park in a clearly marked fire restricted lane unless you are emergency personnel and are there for an emergency call. There are visible signs posted all throughout the complex clearly indicating No Stopping, Standing, Parking, Any time, Tow Away Zone. It's that simple. I don't care if your 90 and handicapped. Thats why you have designated handicapped parking spots everywhere. Just because your old, the law still applies. But whats amazing is all the young and middle aged people that do this. Stop being so lazy and walk the extra 15 feet. I know that everybody thinks there a VIP and the world resolves around them. Like the extra 22 seconds it takes is going to make the difference. Like, that person is so important. Bchevy is way right on this and hit the nail on the head.
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Post by Same Deputy on Sept 1, 2007 17:31:47 GMT -4
Pete, What does that have to do with this topic? Bchevy is totally correct on this. There is no reason to park in a clearly marked fire restricted lane unless you are emergency personnel and are there for an emergency call. There are visible signs posted all throughout the complex clearly indicating No Stopping, Standing, Parking, Any time, Tow Away Zone. It's that simple. I don't care if your 90 and handicapped. Thats why you have designated handicapped parking spots everywhere. Just because your old, the law still applies. But whats amazing is all the young and middle aged people that do this. Stop being so lazy and walk the extra 15 feet. I know that everybody thinks there a VIP and the world resolves around them. Like the extra 22 seconds it takes is going to make the difference. Like, that person is so important. Bchevy is way right on this and hit the nail on the head.
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Post by Pete Richter on Sept 1, 2007 17:59:12 GMT -4
Same Deputy..........If you go to Duty's garage in Stevensville you will observe hundreds of $ in violations every night. He is on a dead end street with a residential dwelling at the end of the road. Talk about blocking a fire lane. This guy blocks the entire public street. Even with citizens official complaints, no tickets are issued. Does it have anything to do with the fact he tows for our local law enforcement agencies?
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Post by Same Deputy on Sept 1, 2007 18:22:40 GMT -4
Pete,
I have never heard of any complaints nor have i ever been dispatched to any parking complaints to the street of Duty's. I'm not sure where you are getting your information but Duty's does not tow for Queen Anne's County Law Enforcement. Actually Duty's like all the other tow companies are on whats called a tow list. It's goes in order. When a citizen is in need of a tow service or police then the next available tow company on the list is called. The sheriff's office does not contract only to Duty's for there service. We use any and all that are available. If the tow shop does not answer then the next is called. If Duty's is called then they can respond out. If we needed another tow 15 minutes later for another incident then the next tow company is called. Not Duty's again. Where are you going with this and what are you trying to pin on the police now?
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Post by Pete Richter on Sept 1, 2007 21:43:27 GMT -4
Deputy Guest.........Duty's towed my legally parked car to his garage at the request of Dep. Beaty. It's a violation of our Constitutional Right to due process of law, for the Government to seize property without giving the citizen a court date. I demanded my day in court, but no tickets were issued. Sgt. Sonny Jones told me that my car was abandoned. I was parked legally with all the proper insurance, registration, and my phone number 410-643-0286 was painted on the trunk lid. Boy States Attorney Frank Kratovil advised M.S.P Trooper Lewis to leave my car alone, because I was not violating any laws. While my vehicle was in police custody Sheriff Crossley's yo-yows crushed it into scrap metal. At this point in time I have in the works a $3,000,000.00 law suit.
I photographed numerous violations on the public street in front of Duty's garage, including his lettered tow trucks. Vehicles without proper registration, insurance, obstructing traffic, parked on the wrong side of the road, and numerous other violations are there every night. Ten calls of complaint were made by me to the Sheriff's Dept., and the M.S.P. without one ticket being issued.......Put on your seat belts, and don't stop in a fire lane citizens.
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Post by Rob on Sept 2, 2007 10:13:44 GMT -4
Why does that bother you? Are they in your way? If not, it shouldn't be an issue, since they are with the vehicle and are able to move it if the need arises. YES ROB THEY ARE IN MY FRIGGIN WAY! LAZY BUTTHEADS AT THE STEVENSVILLE POST OFFICE, THERE'S ISN'T ENOUGH ROOM FOR THREE LANES, ONLY TWO. Sorry, I don't use the Stevensville Post Office. I was only refering to the firelane parking at the Chester shopping center where safeway used to be. I'm not familiar with the Stevensville Post Office, is it near Ace hardware?
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Post by Same Deputy on Sept 2, 2007 23:10:43 GMT -4
Rob. Same thing goes for the Kent town Market in Chester. Take your lazy, no walking, VIP back side and park in a parking spot. Leave the fire lane alone. Take the extra 30 seconds and walk because if I catch anyone violating the fire lane. I will break off a 50.00 dollar parking ticket and do it with a smile. Think of it as a parking permit for 50 dollars and you can park along side the curb.
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Post by nemo on Sept 3, 2007 6:37:10 GMT -4
Isnt it true that by definition if you are with your car, in your car you are not parking
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Post by bchevy on Sept 3, 2007 6:46:44 GMT -4
Think of it as a parking permit for 50 dollars and you can park along side the curb. Wow, is that a sense of humor coming out? Deputy has come a long way.
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Post by bchevy on Sept 3, 2007 6:47:58 GMT -4
Isnt it true that by definition if you are with your car, in your car you are not parking Isn't it true if you drop someone off to run in the store you can pull your car over into the lot and WATCH for them to come out instead of blocking traffic?
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Post by Nemo on Sept 3, 2007 10:21:02 GMT -4
sure, but that wasnt the question
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Post by kl on Sept 3, 2007 13:05:04 GMT -4
Parking or standing. You may be in your car, but the vehicle is parked, and standing in a place it shouldn't be, with signs posted stating this simple fact.
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Post by Pete Richter on Sept 3, 2007 16:43:00 GMT -4
Nemo.........You are correct. Parking means that the vehicle is stopped, and not occupied. Standing means that the vehicle is stopped, and occupied by the operator. This is why signs say, "no stopping or standing".........Check out my post to Quest Deputy dated 9-01-07.
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Post by Same Deputy on Sept 3, 2007 22:04:19 GMT -4
Isnt it true that by definition if you are with your car, in your car you are not parking Isn't it true if you drop someone off to run in the store you can pull your car over into the lot and WATCH for them to come out instead of blocking traffic? Bchevy, Absolutely! If you dropped a passenger off, parked your car in a spot, then arrived back when they were outside the store, then no problem. Thats cool and makes sense. Your there for all of two to three seconds. No big deal. But it hardly ever goes like that. Motorist stops in front of Post Office, gets out, goes in, buys stamps, mails bills, opens post office box, throws out junk mail. Open new mail, etc, 5 to 10 minutes later, back in vehicle. Stop in front of Food Lion and do his mini shopping for the next 10 to 15 minutes while stopped and parked in a fire Lane.
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