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Jul 14, 2010 5:45:44 GMT -4
Post by kl on Jul 14, 2010 5:45:44 GMT -4
Middle class? That's getting re-defined on a weekly basis. Yeah, the politicos can blame the poor middle class unemployed, lost their homes to foreclosures, their jobs shipped overseas, or just plain disappeared, and yes, some of these folks may have to take some of the blame for getting in the position that they found themselves in, but when the govt. comes to rescue of big banks and big business, with billions of dollars, due to the fault of the same big banks, lenders, and business', we as a collective whole sit back and accept that as business as usual. And it continues day after day after day. Look at the Gulf Oil disaster. Who's calling all the shots on that one? The Federal Govt? Or BP? :-)
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A couple of other realities also dimmed the glow of the June jobless numbers. One, for those who do have jobs, the average workweek shrank. It's now down to only 34 hours – which means less income for "full time" working families. Adding to this decline was another drop in the average hourly wage paid to workers. Fewer hours, lower wages. That's not what most people would call an economy "headed in the right direction." Indeed, the strongest job growth in June came from the low-paying service sector, and nearly half of the 46,000 jobs added there are temporary positions.
Meanwhile, another implosion bomb is set to hit American workers. The public sector, which has been one bright spot for decent wages and benefits, is about to shed tens of thousands of teachers, firefighters, park employees, utility workers and others from state and local governments, sending our country in exactly the wrong direction.
Economists tell us that the recession is over. But get ready – depression looms.
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Jul 15, 2010 11:00:40 GMT -4
Post by zeus911 on Jul 15, 2010 11:00:40 GMT -4
What was the alternative McCain / Palin? I would vote for Pete Richter for Sheriff before I would come close to casting a vote for a ticket Palin is on, and I am Republican.
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Jul 15, 2010 14:07:10 GMT -4
Post by speedergurl68 on Jul 15, 2010 14:07:10 GMT -4
What was the alternative McCain / Palin? I would vote for Pete Richter for Sheriff before I would come close to casting a vote for a ticket Palin is on, and I am Republican. Well...there was the Keyes/Rohrbough AIP option - only 3 states actually listed them on the ballot....of course, writing it in worked just fine. Mr. Keyes didn't run on hype, emotional ploys or prey on the ignorance of voters. I, for one, hope the man runs again this time. I have very neat handwriting.
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Jul 23, 2010 21:01:21 GMT -4
Post by hisea on Jul 23, 2010 21:01:21 GMT -4
Beware the Lame Duck!
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Aug 6, 2010 7:46:58 GMT -4
Post by Frank on Aug 6, 2010 7:46:58 GMT -4
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Aug 6, 2010 22:40:02 GMT -4
Post by hisea on Aug 6, 2010 22:40:02 GMT -4
MICHELLE O'S $375,000 VACATION?! Michelle Obama today faced a fresh wave of attacks over her lavish break in Spain with 40 friends, which could easily cost U.S. taxpayers a staggering £50,000 a day. Mrs Obama arrived by plane at Malaga airport yesterday/on Wednesday morning and was driven in a 14-car convoy to the five star Hotel Villa Padierna, where her entourage has reserved 60 of the 129 rooms. You think maybe to show support for the good old U.S.A. Michelle would of vacationed in the States and spend that hard earned tax money here!
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Aug 6, 2010 23:04:15 GMT -4
Post by hisea on Aug 6, 2010 23:04:15 GMT -4
Documents released by the State Department in two separate Freedom of Information Act requests bolster evidence Barack Obama became a citizen of Indonesia when he moved to the Southeast Asian nation with his mother and stepfather in the late 1960s.
In a passport amendment submitted Aug. 13, 1968, Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, identified her son with an Indonesian surname and asked the State Department to drop him from her U.S. passport.
The transaction could have been part of an effort by Dunham to obtain Indonesian citizenship for her son. It took place before the State Department began requiring all citizens traveling abroad, regardless of age, to obtain their own passport.
Several court cases challenging Obama's presidential eligibility have argued he gave up his U.S. citizenship in Indonesia and used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan in the early 1980s. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship.
The amendment was submitted less than a year after Dunham joined her second husband, Lolo Soetoro, in Indonesia. It requested "Barack Obama II (Soebarkah)" be removed from her U.S. passport, No. 777788.
A letter from Lolo Soetoro to immigration officials in Hawaii pleading for an extension of his student visa, because anti-American sentiments in Indonesia could endanger his family, offers a possible reason for seeking Indonesian citizenship for Obama.
Meanwhile, an Indonesian school registration card that surfaced during the 2008 presidential campaign presents evidence Obama was an Indonesian citizen during his time in the country as a child.
Indonesian school registration for "Barry Soetoro" (AP photo) WND reported in August 2008 the Associated Press published a photograph purportedly of Obama's registration card at Indonesia's Francis Assisi school. The card showed he was enrolled as "Barry Soetoro" and listed as an Indonesian citizen whose official religious identification was Muslim.
An AP spokesman affirmed to WND that the photograph of the registration card was authentic
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Aug 14, 2010 8:10:31 GMT -4
Post by hisea on Aug 14, 2010 8:10:31 GMT -4
Obama Comes Out in Favor of Allowing Mosque Near Ground Zero
As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country," Obama told an intently listening crowd gathered at the White House Friday evening to observe the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.
"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable."
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Aug 14, 2010 8:29:03 GMT -4
Post by falgar25 on Aug 14, 2010 8:29:03 GMT -4
"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable." Can't argue with the logic in that. Don't like the idea of the mosque in that location? OK, complain. But be very careful with the idea of inviting the Govt. in to decide who the property owner can sell their property to or what the owner and cannot do with it.
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Aug 14, 2010 8:59:17 GMT -4
Post by bchevy on Aug 14, 2010 8:59:17 GMT -4
Obama Comes Out in Favor of Allowing Mosque Near Ground Zero As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country," Obama told an intently listening crowd gathered at the White House Friday evening to observe the Islamic holy month of Ramadan. "That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable." I wouldn't expect any less, coming from a MUSLIM
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Aug 14, 2010 10:56:20 GMT -4
Post by speedergurl68 on Aug 14, 2010 10:56:20 GMT -4
In the immortal words of Humma Kuvula: "The election is ancient history, Zaphod. If memory serves, you won, proving that good looks and charm win over brilliance and the ability to govern. And for the record? You *are* stupid. " Talk about an appropriate line for today's current national "administraton".... I would say it to his face any day, any time.
Pete can put a swastika on his van under several constitutional amendments. But...wow...look at how pissy THAT made people...yet...they say THIS is ok!??!?
Just because you CAN do something....doesn't mean you d**n well SHOULD do it. I think it's close to treasonous behavior on Obama's part. Any argument throwing the Constitution around and using it as a reason that that abomination should be built is ineffective. What that makes it is LEGAL..it doesn't make it RIGHT. It never will.
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Aug 14, 2010 12:57:29 GMT -4
Post by falgar25 on Aug 14, 2010 12:57:29 GMT -4
I've always liked this quote, it seems like it could apply to this discussion:
America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the "land of the free".
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Aug 14, 2010 13:08:23 GMT -4
Post by hisea on Aug 14, 2010 13:08:23 GMT -4
9/11 Families Stunned by Presidents Support of Mosque at Ground Zero
New York, NY, Aug. 14 — Barack Obama has abandoned America at the place where America’s heart was broken nine years ago, and where her true values were on display for all to see. Since that dark day, Americans have been asked to bear the burden of defending those values, again and again and again. Now this president declares that the victims of 9/11 and their families must bear another burden. We must stand silent at the last place in America where 9/11 is still remembered with reverence or risk being called religious bigots.
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Aug 14, 2010 13:14:54 GMT -4
Post by moosie on Aug 14, 2010 13:14:54 GMT -4
it is not AT ground zero!
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Aug 14, 2010 13:22:00 GMT -4
Post by jetskibrat on Aug 14, 2010 13:22:00 GMT -4
well.... at ground zero or 2 or 3 blocks away from ground zero its wrong, he needs to do his job as president and not interfere with items that Washington should stay out of!!!!!!!!! Listen to what he says then watch what he does......... its just not right
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Aug 14, 2010 13:26:52 GMT -4
Post by moosie on Aug 14, 2010 13:26:52 GMT -4
well, he IS staying out of it! he is not interfering with this. you make no sense. if he were interfering, he would say that they could NOT proceed with what they are legally entitled to do. as i said elsewhere, this might not be the most sensitive thing to do, but it is legal, it is not at ground zero, it is not a mosque, yaddayadda.
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Aug 14, 2010 13:36:35 GMT -4
Post by moosie on Aug 14, 2010 13:36:35 GMT -4
Just because you CAN do something....doesn't mean you d**n well SHOULD do it. I think it's close to treasonous behavior on Obama's part. Any argument throwing the Constitution around and using it as a reason that that abomination should be built is ineffective. What that makes it is LEGAL..it doesn't make it RIGHT. It never will. speeder, i generally don't have a problem with things you say--usually well thought out, etc. however, this is a very emotional reaction (of course!) but to call obama's actions near treasonous is going too far. he is not throwing around the constitution, nor, as jetski says is he not doing his job as president or interfering. he is absolutely doing his job by supporting the constitution, which is what this country is built around, and he is not interfering with anything. if you want to change the constitution, then there are ways. to disagree/not like the building of this building is one thing. to call supporting the law of our land treasonous is something else altogether.
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Aug 14, 2010 14:11:37 GMT -4
Post by speedergurl68 on Aug 14, 2010 14:11:37 GMT -4
What is "easy" is rolling over and NOT saying NO to these legalistic thugs that want to bully us using a document that was supposed to make America free from THEM.
It's "easy", it's "politically correct" (urge to vomit), and it's "nice". What it also is? Cowardly. America wasn't founded on the idea that we roll over and let ourselves be gang raped by the politically correct.
And again moosie, with all due respect....legal...doesn't make it right. I stand beside what I say and what I feel and what I think. It's not illegal yet to do so. You have the right to disagree with me and label me as you choose.
You cannot tell me that of all of the places to build one of their...places to worship....THAT location is the best they can do. That is a total lie and fabrication.
I honestly wish we DID live in a democracy...this whole republic thing...is beginning to be a major disappointment.
**and for the record, I never called it treasonous...I called it "close to treasonous".
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Aug 14, 2010 14:18:14 GMT -4
Post by funnel101 on Aug 14, 2010 14:18:14 GMT -4
When we start seeing others as THEM, we stop seeing their humanity. This is a dangerous road you're heading down, sg. I hope you can find your way off of it.
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Aug 14, 2010 14:24:14 GMT -4
Post by speedergurl68 on Aug 14, 2010 14:24:14 GMT -4
And funnel...others will be THEM as long as we are human. Precisely how do you think that specific group of "them"...think of "us"? There are two craters in New York City that answer that question. Do I hate them? No I will not. They would have to be significant persons in my life for that effort to be spent...and they are not. But I will absolutely not give them the keys to my home and tell them to make themselves feel welcomed. I don't have to.
To me the hostility being shown toward that particular group is the fruits of their labor. They are reaping what they have sewn. Hope they don't choke.
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Aug 14, 2010 14:32:11 GMT -4
Post by funnel101 on Aug 14, 2010 14:32:11 GMT -4
The Muslims that want to build this cultural center aren't the same ones who attacked New York on 9/11.
If you don't hate Muslims, you could have fooled me with the comments you've been making on here. I don't care how Muslims think of me. I have a choice in how I think of them. And I choose to recognize their humanity, their desire to worship, and their desire for community, instead of denying their humanity by lumping them in with extremists and terrorists.
The same logic you are using here has been used many, many times in the past to justify acts of violence, by Christians, by Muslims, by Europeans, by Chinese, by Americans... Anywhere there's been acts of violence done against a group of people, the exact same logic you are espousing here has been used.
I only ask that you consider widening your perspective.
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Aug 14, 2010 14:34:30 GMT -4
Post by speedergurl68 on Aug 14, 2010 14:34:30 GMT -4
Consider it considered.
I will say this one final thing...then I am totally done with this thread:
If there ever comes a day when I become so "civilized" and "advanced" that I don't possess the spine and courage to fight for what I believe in...shoot me. It's not like I would shoot back at that point any way.
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Aug 14, 2010 14:44:02 GMT -4
Post by grova on Aug 14, 2010 14:44:02 GMT -4
Obama Comes Out in Favor of Allowing Mosque Near Ground Zero As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country," Obama told an intently listening crowd gathered at the White House Friday evening to observe the Islamic holy month of Ramadan. "That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable." I wouldn't expect any less, coming from a MUSLIM I wouldn't expect any less, coming from a PRESIDENT. The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law "respecting an establishment of religion", impeding the free exercise of religion, infringing on the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
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Aug 14, 2010 16:19:58 GMT -4
Post by moosie on Aug 14, 2010 16:19:58 GMT -4
Just because you CAN do something....doesn't mean you d**n well SHOULD do it. I think it's close to treasonous behavior on Obama's part. Any argument throwing the Constitution around and using it as a reason that that abomination should be built is ineffective. What that makes it is LEGAL..it doesn't make it RIGHT. It never will. speeder, i generally don't have a problem with things you say--usually well thought out, etc. however, this is a very emotional reaction (of course!) but to call obama's actions near treasonous is going too far. note the "near"
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Aug 14, 2010 17:12:17 GMT -4
Post by funnel101 on Aug 14, 2010 17:12:17 GMT -4
Consider it considered. I will say this one final thing...then I am totally done with this thread: If there ever comes a day when I become so "civilized" and "advanced" that I don't possess the spine and courage to fight for what I believe in...shoot me. It's not like I would shoot back at that point any way. It takes a whole of spine and courage to accept your enemy's humanity. And if you're implying that I don't have enough of either to fight for what I believe in, all I could say is that you're wrong.
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