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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2010 9:52:38 GMT -4
What's your view on this.....
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Post by falgar25 on Aug 15, 2010 10:27:01 GMT -4
That it is somehow being considered as a measure of his eligibility to be the President is objectionable!
None of our F'ing business
Defies logic to the point of being laughable. So the claim is that he is a Muslim but he hid that in order to improve his chances of election. Instead of attending Muslim services he spent his time with Rev. Wright because *that* was so much better?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2010 10:37:23 GMT -4
There's people that won't get past it, so it seems relevant.
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Post by moosie on Aug 15, 2010 11:59:06 GMT -4
as long as people continue to raise the issue as if it were something worth considering, they will be fueling this stupid discussion. if people can get past the fact that bush effectively lied about his military service, for example, they can get past this.
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Post by highlander73 on Aug 15, 2010 12:33:42 GMT -4
perhaps i am missing the intention of the poll. Is "a Muslim" a bad thing i.e. terrorist or simply of decent from a Muslim background/lineage?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2010 13:40:58 GMT -4
perhaps i am missing the intention of the poll. Is "a Muslim" a bad thing i.e. terrorist or simply of decent from a Muslim background/lineage? Not intent of either making it a good thing or not. The current issue of the mosque being built in NYC and his support of it now appears to be raising some peoples beliefs of his true religious leanings.....the whole Manchurian candidate sort of thing, like he won't defend the U.S. or the Constitution type matters. As for me, I don't believe he is a muslim.
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Post by moosie on Aug 15, 2010 15:19:56 GMT -4
once again: it is NOT a mosque. obama is not supporting it. he is supporting their RIGHT to do so. he IS supporting the constitution, and, thus, the u.s.
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Post by highlander73 on Aug 15, 2010 17:40:46 GMT -4
perhaps i am missing the intention of the poll. Is "a Muslim" a bad thing i.e. terrorist or simply of decent from a Muslim background/lineage? Not intent of either making it a good thing or not. The current issue of the mosque being built in NYC and his support of it now appears to be raising some peoples beliefs of his true religious leanings.....the whole Manchurian candidate sort of thing, like he won't defend the U.S. or the Constitution type matters. As for me, I don't believe he is a muslim. Again, your poll question is unclear. What is "a Muslim"? His father was of Muslim religion, so if your definition is based on lineage then the answer is yes. If your pol question defines "a Muslim" as a practicing terrorist, then the answer is no. I think you are using vagueness to imply something (i.e. like main stream media) when clarity in the questions on topics like this would promote a better understanding.
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Post by hisea on Aug 16, 2010 13:53:41 GMT -4
Ever wonder how the Islamic Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem got built smack dab on top of the ancient Jewish temple mount? I can promise you, it was no attempt to “build bridges” either that put it there. It was more like “let’s take over the Jews most treasured religious site and plant a mosque on it to show them who’s boss”. That’s why Jews pray at the Western Wall, because if they tried to visit the top of the temple mount, the Arabs would riot.
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Post by hisea on Aug 16, 2010 13:59:45 GMT -4
Can you deal with this! Although Muslims are required to be truthful with each other, Muhammad did approve of lying in cases where doing so advanced the cause of Islam, either in war or peace. His famous statement that “War is deceit” is found in Bukhari 52:269 and elsewhere. It is perfectly acceptable for a Muslim to deceive an enemy in order to gain power.
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Post by Frank on Aug 16, 2010 14:27:39 GMT -4
All right!! We've had enough!! Grab your torches and lets get 'em!
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Post by deputy on Aug 16, 2010 14:34:32 GMT -4
Ever wonder how the Islamic Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem got built smack dab on top of the ancient Jewish temple mount? I can promise you, it was no attempt to “build bridges” either that put it there. It was more like “let’s take over the Jews most treasured religious site and plant a mosque on it to show them who’s boss”. That’s why Jews pray at the Western Wall, because if they tried to visit the top of the temple mount, the Arabs would riot. EGGGGGGGGGGGGZACTLY
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Post by deputy on Aug 16, 2010 14:36:15 GMT -4
None of our F'ing business Even if it's another lie from our president? Has he found a church in DC yet? or maybe just waiting for Mr Wright to come along.....
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Post by grova on Aug 16, 2010 15:03:34 GMT -4
None of our F'ing business Even if it's another lie from our president? Has he found a church in DC yet? or maybe just waiting for Mr Wright to come along..... Yes he has....Monday, Jun. 29, 2009 www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1907610,00.html
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Post by Frank on Aug 16, 2010 15:10:17 GMT -4
Hmmm!! I didn't think Muslims went to church!
(although, waiting for Mr. Wright is funny)
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Post by bchevy on Aug 16, 2010 17:56:25 GMT -4
Hmmm!! I didn't think Muslims went to church! (although, waiting for Mr. Wright is funny) He get's one once in a while... even if that was just 1/2 of one....
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Post by falgar25 on Aug 16, 2010 19:25:27 GMT -4
None of our F'ing business Even if it's another lie from our president? Has he found a church in DC yet? or maybe just waiting for Mr Wright to come along..... You characterize it as a lie and it's clear that there is absolutely nothing anyone can say to convince you otherwise. I don't care what religion he believes in as long as he protects and defends the Constitution. That's what we elected him to do. We like to talk about how much the Constitution means to us and how we will fight to defend our values. Yet here we are, discussing whether the President is a follower of Islam, not because we're curious, but because some would contend that if he is a Muslim then he is clearly not qualified to be President. Then in another thread we're discussing whether a property owner has the right to build a community center on his property if it is associated with a mosque. Is this really consistent with our belief in freedom of religion, freedom of speech, or freedom of assembly?
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Post by grova on Aug 16, 2010 19:55:34 GMT -4
Quit making sense...facts don't matter around these parts. The Tea Party champions the Constitution yet when the President upholds it with comments about the Community center (not mosque) everybody gets into a tizzy. Well...what is it my fellow Americans? Only freedoms for some? Only the ones you agree with? Wasn't this country founded by people escaping religious persecution? Read the frickin' constitution! You TRUE patriots risk losing everything we are because of your weak insecurities.
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Post by Frank on Aug 17, 2010 8:32:47 GMT -4
Quit making sense...facts don't matter around these parts. The Tea Party champions the Constitution yet when the President upholds it with comments about the Community center (not mosque) everybody gets into a tizzy. Well...what is it my fellow Americans? Only freedoms for some? Only the ones you agree with? Wasn't this country founded by people escaping religious persecution? Read the frickin' constitution! You TRUE patriots risk losing everything we are because of your weak insecurities. Grova, perhaps you are a bit confused. The president is the one that cherry picks the constitution to his benefit. Nobody says it is unconstitutional to build the mosque there. Nobody is telling the Muslims they can't build there. The location is a poor choice and hurts a lot of Americans deeply. If you're cool with it, that's OK, but a lot of people lost loved ones there. Muslims must have some awareness to the sensitivity of this location and meaning to a lot of Americans, especially New Yorkers. If Muslims want acceptance in American society, you would think they would be smart enough to consider this before proceeding with this. This will further divide Muslims from other cultures in this country which is exactly what we work to erase.
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Post by grova on Aug 17, 2010 11:08:52 GMT -4
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Post by Frank on Aug 17, 2010 12:04:53 GMT -4
I wonder if they get their virgins?
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Post by highlander73 on Aug 17, 2010 13:02:40 GMT -4
It would be interesting to see what their families think of the mosque/cultural center.
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Post by hisea on Aug 20, 2010 20:54:49 GMT -4
any questions now?
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Post by hisea on Aug 29, 2010 18:52:00 GMT -4
Wright Describes Voters Who Believe Obama is a Muslim as 'Sycophants'
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Post by falgar25 on Aug 29, 2010 19:11:54 GMT -4
Wright Describes Voters Who Believe Obama is a Muslim as 'Sycophants' I don't know who I dislike more, Rev Wright or someone who gives me reason to agree with him.
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