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Post by tomc on Dec 29, 2012 18:11:01 GMT -4
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Post by RobMoore on Dec 29, 2012 20:09:24 GMT -4
Old video. Biased report.
I've seen it, but its been years.
I only get 2 minutes in and I can see they rigged the game.
#1 They are using non-gun carriers as the test subjects. People with little to no gun experience. The first kid's only experience is with airsoft toy guns, with zero holster experience. #2 They force the guy to wear a long t shirt over the gun and wear gloves and a big helmet. This is not the way to conceal a gun, or to dress if you want effective access to the gun. The last kid who claimed to have hundreds of hours of experience (and I can tell you from watching him, he doesn't) struggled to get the gun out with that stupid outfit and most likely brand new and unbroken-in holster. #3 They use firearms instructors as the adversary. I've been a firearms instructor. The only time the students win is when we let them.
I don't need to go any further. I'm not the fastest gun in the east, but I can consistently put 2 rounds on target in 2 seconds coming from the holster with a jacket covering the gun.
Tomc, I can tell you with 100% certainty that I have a vastly superior knowledge of firearms and their use than you do.
Nice try, but this report fell flat in its face when it aired, and it hasn't gotten better with age.
Anyone with a meager amount of subject knowledge can back me up on this.
I'll add a little more for reference for people without gun experience to grasp how rigged this game was. What if you were put into a drivers test to record your ability to handle certain hazards on the road, but come test day, ABC made you wear scuba gear and flippers behind the wheel. Do you think you'd perform as well as you normally do?
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Post by tomc on Dec 29, 2012 20:36:22 GMT -4
Biased report, by a POLICE DEPARTMENT... blah blah blah... While I'm sure Mr Drives the Best in the World would do as well in a situation, protecting himself, and others. Sure Rob. Feel smug and secure in your delusion.
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Post by RobMoore on Dec 29, 2012 20:41:27 GMT -4
What makes you think a police department is going to be unbiased?
The international association of chiefs of police have a long standing reputation for supporting gun control laws.
Care to keep trying me? How much do you like losing?
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Post by bluecrabber on Dec 30, 2012 11:06:21 GMT -4
Even our most illustrious POTUS (in the minds of the brain dead) with his extensive network of advisers does not know they are called "magazines" not clips... ignorance about guns is the root of the problem.. Guns have been vilified by the media for so long and glamorized by the "sideways" shooting of handguns by gangsters that people who have no real knowledge about guns are scared to death. Just about as scared of the gun as the city slicker is of the cow in the barnyard. While the children who grow up showing their prize Holstein at the county fair and sleeping in the stall with a 1500 pound cow, the city fellas crap their pants when caught in a close space with an animal that large.. :/ The video above is so bogus it reminds of another NBC attempt at ratings... the exploding GMC pickup trucks "show" (not a news story, a production). The one where they hid explosives on the gas tanks of pickups and tried to convince people that even a 10 mile an hour side impact would cause the truck to explode in a ball of fire that would rival the typical Hollywood exploding car crash scene..
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Post by bchevy on Dec 30, 2012 11:46:48 GMT -4
Biased report, by a POLICE DEPARTMENT... blah blah blah... While I'm sure Mr Drives the Best in the World would do as well in a situation, protecting himself, and others. Sure Rob. Feel smug and secure in your delusion. Because we ALL know the police are ALWAYS right, and ALWAYS on OUR side, right? I need to put my boots back on.... it's getting DEEP
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Post by deputy on Dec 31, 2012 7:26:00 GMT -4
What makes you think a police department is going to be unbiased? You mean they aren't?
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Post by AquaHolic on Dec 31, 2012 7:52:57 GMT -4
~Rob wins...well thought out post...no name calling or belittling. Written like someone with some sense. I don't even need to waste the few minutes of my life to watch the video.
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Post by Inspector on Dec 31, 2012 18:38:52 GMT -4
I watched that video. Never saw it before. What a load of crap. All rob said and more. The "bad guy" walks in and knows who is armed and targets him/her immediately. That person cannot respond due to obstructing clothing and lack of training/practice. Really a pathetic attempt to support gun grabbing from the government.
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Post by obietrice on Jan 4, 2013 19:55:57 GMT -4
I find it absolutely friggin hilarious that you republican gun toting idiots who a few months ago are screaming about the dangers of govt run healthcare, now want more govt run healthcare for the mentally unstable so you can keep your guns. Open mouths and insert feet!!!
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Post by bchevy on Jan 4, 2013 20:08:01 GMT -4
I find it absolutely friggin hilarious that you republican gun toting idiots who a few months ago are screaming about the dangers of govt run healthcare, now want more govt run healthcare for the mentally unstable so you can keep your guns. Open mouths and insert feet!!! Huh? No need to open mouth and insert feet, you have that all covered.....
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Post by RobMoore on Jan 4, 2013 21:35:15 GMT -4
I for one don't need more government run healthcare to solve the "problem" of mentally insane people getting ahold of guns.
I am not delusional, like some people who think the government can protect them from harm with laws.
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Post by mrb2217 on Jan 6, 2013 1:49:22 GMT -4
Stupid video. To many things wrong with this video to even bother listing. Anybody can get a room full of idiots with simunition rounds that have never touched or handled a gun come up with those results. Try it with people with training and actually know how to handle a gun and see what the results are. Oh and I'm not a Republican, I'm capable of independent thinking and don't need a "party" to think for me. Actually registered as a Democrat so I have some say in the primary as to who runs and represents this state. Not sure why it is so hard to understand that criminals will always commit criminal acts with or without guns. I can easily find a hundred things in my house not sitting in my gun cabinet that can be used as a weapon. In most case you can't stop a homicide, you can only respond to it. Guns are illegal in Mexico, how is that working out for them? Explain why illegally carrying a handgun in Maryland is only a misdemeanor. If the gun control politicians spent half as much time strengthening the laws and enforcing the laws that are on the books already they wouldn't have to take guns from responsible citizens.
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Post by Inspector on Jan 6, 2013 14:08:23 GMT -4
I find it absolutely friggin hilarious that you republican gun toting idiots who a few months ago are screaming about the dangers of govt run healthcare, now want more govt run healthcare for the mentally unstable so you can keep your guns. Open mouths and insert feet!!! Soooo....what is your solution? Or are you only around to insult those who may have a different opinion from yours?
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Post by bluecrabber on Jan 7, 2013 14:33:28 GMT -4
LOL.. that's pretty funny.. six posts and a Karma of -6. Is that a new record??
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Post by cranky64 on Jan 7, 2013 18:13:31 GMT -4
I find it absolutely friggin hilarious that you republican gun toting idiots who a few months ago are screaming about the dangers of govt run healthcare, now want more govt run healthcare for the mentally unstable so you can keep your guns. Open mouths and insert feet!!!
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Post by bchevy on Jan 7, 2013 22:09:56 GMT -4
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Post by topfish on Feb 12, 2013 7:33:23 GMT -4
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Post by RobMoore on Feb 12, 2013 8:06:52 GMT -4
The link address says it all. Move on.
Anyone who thinks the biggest impediment to gun safety in the US is the NRA doesn't deserve to be part if the conversation. They have more safety programs than any other organization.
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Post by hisea on Feb 12, 2013 9:16:54 GMT -4
The link address says it all. Move on. Anyone who thinks the biggest impediment to gun safety in the US is the NRA doesn't deserve to be part if the conversation. They have more safety programs than any other organization. www.georgesoros.com/ This is the anti-American behind moveon.
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Post by topfish on Feb 12, 2013 10:34:21 GMT -4
If Soros is anti-American then the Koch Brothers must be anti-American or worse. I do not see anything anti-American to support liberal or conservative causes as long as they are legal and pass their 1st Amendment rights. As far as the link to the video I did not see anything about NRA Gun Safety education. I believe folks that react so quickly to criticize without a grounded debate are a problem and many times illogical. In the case of many of the extreme NRA folks (I am a member but not part of the fringe) will most definitely help keep Democrats in the White House for generations to come.
Here is link on Wikipedia about Soros and his Political Activism. Just because a person has different does not make them "anti-American". It seems that you believe the large majority that re-elected our President must fall in the same category as Soros? Political donations and activism United States
In an interview with The Washington Post on November 11, 2003, Soros said that removing President George W. Bush from office was the "central focus of my life" and "a matter of life and death". He said he would sacrifice his entire fortune to defeat President Bush "if someone guaranteed it".[53] Soros gave $3 million to the Center for American Progress, $2.5 million to MoveOn.org, and $20 million[54] to America Coming Together. These groups worked to support Democrats in the 2004 election. On September 28, 2004 he dedicated more money to the campaign and kicked off his own multi-state tour with a speech: Why We Must Not Re-elect President Bush[55] delivered at the National Press Club in Washington, DC. The online transcript to this speech received many hits after thingy Cheney accidentally referred to FactCheck.org as "factcheck.com" in the Vice Presidential debate, causing the owner of that domain to redirect all traffic to Soros' site.[56] Asked in 2006 about his statement in The Age of Fallibility that "the main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States", Soros responded that "it happens to coincide with the prevailing opinion in the world. And I think that's rather shocking for Americans to hear. The United States sets the agenda for the world. And the rest of the world has to respond to that agenda. By declaring a 'war on terror' after September 11, we set the wrong agenda for the world. ... when you wage war, you inevitably create innocent victims."[57]
Soros was not a large donor to US political causes until the 2004 presidential election, but according to the Center for Responsive Politics, during the 2003–2004 election cycle, Soros donated $23,581,000 to various 527 groups dedicated to defeating President Bush. A 527 group is a type of American tax-exempt organization named after a section of the United States tax code, 26 U.S.C. § 527.
After Bush's re-election, Soros and other donors backed a new political fundraising group called Democracy Alliance, which supports progressive causes and the formation of a stronger progressive infrastructure in America.[58]
In August 2009, Soros donated $35 million to the state of New York to be ear-marked for under-privileged children and given to parents who had benefit cards at the rate of $200 per child aged 3 through 17, with no limit as to the number of children that qualified. An additional $140 million was put into the fund by the state of New York from money they had received from the 2009 federal recovery act.[19]
On October 26, 2010, Soros donated $1 million, the largest donation in the campaign, to the Drug Policy Alliance to fund Proposition 19, that would have legalized marijuana in the state of California if it had passed in the November 2, 2010 elections.[59]
In October 2011 a Reuters story titled "Soros: not a funder of Wall Street protests" was published after several commentators pointed out errors in an earlier Reuters story headlined "Who's behind the Wall St. protests?"with a lede stating that the Occupy Wall Street movement "may have benefited indirectly from the largesse of one of the world's richest men [Soros]". Reuters' follow-up article also reported a Soros spokesperson and Adbusters' co-founder Kalle Lasn both saying that Adbusters – which was the catalyst for the first Occupy Wall Street protests – had never received any contributions from Soros, contrary to Reuters' earlier story which reported that "indirect financial links" existed between the two as late as 2010.[60][61]
On September 27, 2012, Soros announced that he was donating $1 million to the "SuperPAC" Priorities USA Action.[62]
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Post by speedergurl68 on Feb 12, 2013 11:21:16 GMT -4
Here is link on Wikipedia...... Please stop looking to Wikipedia for an authoritative source of fact - it is not. Anyone can go in on it and put anything they want....Wiki is a joke.
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Post by emsguru on Feb 12, 2013 11:29:38 GMT -4
The link address says it all. Move on. Anyone who thinks the biggest impediment to gun safety in the US is the NRA doesn't deserve to be part if the conversation. They have more safety programs than any other organization. www.georgesoros.com/ This is the anti-American behind moveon. Your statement is the most anti-american thing that someone could say. To say someone is un-american because they say something that you disagree with is what will tear this country apart.
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Post by hisea on Feb 12, 2013 13:24:27 GMT -4
Your statement is the most anti-american thing that someone could say. To say someone is un-american because they say something that you disagree with is what will tear this country apart. No! I said anti-American! I'm just bitter and cling to my guns and religion! Now that's anti-American! I was using my 1st amendment rights while discussing to 2nd amendment. ;D
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Post by emsguru on Feb 12, 2013 13:26:24 GMT -4
Your statement is the most anti-american thing that someone could say. To say someone is un-american because they say something that you disagree with is what will tear this country apart. No! I said anti-American! I'm just bitter and cling to my guns and religion! Now thats anti-American! DS, my apologies. When I read it I read it quick sand saw Un.
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