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Post by bellas on May 16, 2017 10:49:56 GMT -4
My son has played on a Bayshore team for the past two years, a team that has done quite well and on which he has seen above average play time. Due to family obligations he will be unable to attend the tryouts this year, and I was told we will 'need to contact the Bayshore Director of Player Development directly to see if there is space on teams. The DPD will evaluate the player and decide if an appropriate spot on a Bayshore roster is available.'
I have no problem with this. What I DO have a problem with, however, is that 2 other players on this same team that will miss tryouts due to school activities have already been slated for a spot on the 2017/18 team. One of the players is the son of a former Board member and coach, the other player is his close/best friend. This former Board member/coach supposedly destructed a long standing team to benefit his son.
As parents paying anywhere from $250.00 to $550.00 for our children to play in the Bayshore Soccer Club, I don't think we shoud have to put up with this blatant nepotism and behind the scenes arrangements.
Does anyone know of another, at least semi close, soccer organization they could recommend? Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks!!
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Post by overboost44 on May 16, 2017 22:08:21 GMT -4
Absolutely. We left Bayshore after 8 seasons and went to BUSA and are very happy. Not quite the same reasons, but there were plenty of them. BUSA practices here on the Island and games will depend on the league they play in. AAYSL or BBSL. You never mention the age of your son, but there is a good chance they will have a team for his age group. Send an email to Rod@busaacademy.club Tryouts were this week but you should be able to have them get your son into a practice where they can see him play.
PM me if you would like more info.
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Post by bellas on May 16, 2017 23:34:10 GMT -4
My son is in the (born in 2003 age group, so 14 yrs old/rising freshmen. Thank you for the recommendation and contact information, I will send an email right after logging off from here. I'm sorry you felt the need to leave Bayshore also, from comments I've heard since I started asking around about other leagues we are by far isolated incidents. I am unaware of your situation but as far as my experience - leave it to adults with agendas to ruin an organzation made for all children/youth. Parents should not be able to coach, or be asscoicated with, teams on which their own children play. Ironically many of the 'coach's kids' probably wouldn't even make the teams if it weren't for their parent coaching or being on the BoD! Just my personal opinion. Thanks again, very much!
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Post by playlax16 on May 17, 2017 10:22:30 GMT -4
I've heard stories from parents about a team in that age group being ruined by a coach whose son was on the team. Sounded like quite a bully, but from what I was told no parents questioned the coach or complained to the organization leaders, so who is really 'at fault'? If you see something wrong speak up. If you're not going to do anything about the issue then don't complain in the shadows.
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Post by overboost44 on May 17, 2017 21:11:50 GMT -4
My son is in the (born in 2003 age group, so 14 yrs old/rising freshmen. Thank you for the recommendation and contact information, I will send an email right after logging off from here. I'm sorry you felt the need to leave Bayshore also, from comments I've heard since I started asking around about other leagues we are by far isolated incidents. I am unaware of your situation but as far as my experience - leave it to adults with agendas to ruin an organzation made for all children/youth. Parents should not be able to coach, or be asscoicated with, teams on which their own children play. Ironically many of the 'coach's kids' probably wouldn't even make the teams if it weren't for their parent coaching or being on the BoD! Just my personal opinion. Thanks again, very much! I hope it works out for you. I know the team your son was on now. Our kids may even know one another. One thing is that there are absolutely no coaches with kids on any team at BUSA. The other item that I wanted to share if you didn't already know is that there is a new sheriff in town at Bayshore, so maybe things will get better. You are absolutely right with your last statement! Best of luck.
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Post by bellas on May 24, 2017 17:48:35 GMT -4
Wanted to thank you again for the recommendation, my son will be invited to the practice of teams in his age group and if he 'fits' will be offered a position. Which is all I wanted; for all of these players to be evaluated and placed, or not, accordingly and not because their parent is involved with the organization. That a more deserving/talented player (regarding every child, not my son) could possibly not be offered a spot because two players, one of whom has a father active in Bayshore and the other being his best friend, have already been put on the team before tryouts have even begun is indefensible. Not all parents are able to give the amount of time coaching/being on the board would require due to their jobs. It is disturbing, to say the least, that a youth organization favors the children with parents fortunate enough to have the time to be involved. I hope the new President/Board address this and other issues that plague Bayshore for future families. We won't be going back if 'that' former coach/Board member, who is now the team manager for his son's team, is involved. Someone should sideline him and a few other unscrupulous adults involved.
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Post by overboost44 on May 24, 2017 21:43:25 GMT -4
Glad it is working out for your and your son. Our time here so far has been great. I agree with everything you said.
Best of luck with your soccer experience.
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Post by pineapple head on May 25, 2017 8:18:00 GMT -4
Devils' Advocate: When parents volunteer their time to run an organization and/or coach for it, is it unreasonable to suggest that their kids should not make the team? Why would they continue volunteering their time for your kids? Most of the time, in my experience, teams need coaches worse then they need players. I'm not suggesting things were handled in the best way (coaches' kids should certainly not be exempt from mandatory tryouts), but perhaps reasonable expectations need to be considered. I don't think it does any benefit to vilify an organization by name over something not all that unexpected. There is always another team, or the option of starting and coaching one.
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Post by bellas on May 25, 2017 10:38:52 GMT -4
If parents who oversee and coach youth sports teams, volunteerig their time, have a child on a team no parent will say that is unreasonable; I was not inferring their child should not make the team. What IS objectionable is when a volunteering parent unabashedly favors their child with the most playing time on the team, and when the rules of the organization are applied differently to that player. Perhaps a parent is volunteering their time because it is the only way for their child to be on the team, although I know there are many volunteers without children who just love the sport. I agree things were not handled appropriately, but is it not reasonable to expect ALL slated players to have to try out and find their place on the team? Bayshore is a great organization at it's foundation, and with the new Board I truly hope that it will revert to it's beginnings. This is in part a 'scout program' and there should be extremely less nepotism than in the rec leagues. My first post was indeed asking for recommendations of another organization. As I mentioned, it is not possible for some parents to volunteer their time to coach, much less start a new team, due to employment, younger children, health, age, and a myriad of other reasons. Even if that weren't the case, the more programs that pop up the weaker they all become. I appreciate the Devil's advocate view, I did not intend to come off as a parent with an axe to grind and all of your statements do have merit. If I painted BSSC as horrible that is on me and I apologize; as an adult I should know better to apply the character of a few individuals to an entire organization.
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Post by bayshoresc on May 29, 2017 9:05:15 GMT -4
Appreciate all the concerns addressed in this thread. As a club we are committed to making improvements and getting feedback is important to that process. Just to clarify one thing about Fall rosters -- no spots have been set and every player is required to undergo evaluation. Any concerns about that process can be addressed to the Bayshore Director of Player Development who independently evaluates players and has no kids in the club. The parent coach situation is one we continue to address - all of our coaches are licensed through U.S. Youth Soccer and we are in a process to move towards an all paid coaching staff. We are always open to hearing about concerns and trying to address them. Thanks!
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Post by bayshoresoccer1 on May 29, 2017 9:43:54 GMT -4
Bayshore soccer thread....... Hi, The truth is nobody is on a team yet, tryouts have not concluded and I , as the director of coaching and player development have an important role in making sure that players who are yet to chosen have been evaluated during their seasons play and / or by a couple of experienced evaluators during the tryout process. It is only after tat process is concluded that coaches who also are yet to be announced are brought in for conversation and consultation. I ve trained, coached and managed players from kinderkicks all the way to national title teams. In 3 states and 2 countries. What you heard through the grapevine is normal ( it was positive speculation) and your reaction as a concerned parent wanting absolute fairness is necessary. I agree, trust me the Board is adament of this too.
BTW the BoD is a completely new mix of extremely professional people. I beleive all but 1 member is from last year. This was done on purpose so as to put in place (ideally) a single midshore premier club that would be a huge advocate for youth soccer. Please email the board and ask them who they are and what they do. You ll be surprised with what I believe is the perfect professional match for their positions. No better a Board !
Today the Ladies Velocity team competes for the Columbia championship title. Yesterday the 2002 boys played in the final of a Va. classic tourney against a top NPL (national premier league title team) These teams are chosen based on proper early years of player technical development and then very focused player and team tactical development as they rise into HS. These successes are not possible without this process. Picking players because they are related to Board members compromises the goal. Most players make the team because of a dilution of the player pool with too many clubs scrambling for a small population of player. Fortunately every player still has to prove they can make the starting team which does allow for players to understand competition within their team.
Any families decision to play for any of the local "club" teams should be based on some research please. I am the Director of coaching, I have no child in the program. I have a successful history of playing and coaching and a wonderful experince of just how important this game in developing players that in turn become leaders in their own right on and off the field. I am available to discuss any player concern you may have.
We are the least expensive club with HS and college coaches at the helm of team/player development. Our focus is on an all non parent coaching staff.
Early player development is so important...it is about teaching individual technique so that they can comfortably move into the tactical, mental and physical components of the holistic team game. Winning is important, learning is equally so. michael brophy
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