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Post by AquaHolic on Oct 17, 2008 18:18:07 GMT -4
what breed is the bait dog at the shelter? Its sad...but I have no idea (and I forgot to ask)...I couldn't tell....he is all scarred up and lost alot of hair. I couldn't even hazard a guess. I wonder if he is on their website..I will go look. Barb |
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Post by alcatraz on Oct 17, 2008 18:24:39 GMT -4
Poor baby. I would guess that he/she is not very "adoptable" if you already own a dog for fear of it attacking?
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Post by AquaHolic on Oct 17, 2008 18:29:05 GMT -4
Poor baby. I would guess that he/she is not very "adoptable" if you already own a dog for fear of it attacking? I think a bait dog is the one who is attacked...its the bait for the fighting dog. It was very curious of me when I got near the kennel...I didn't see anything agressive about the dog. I am not sure if he/she is up for adoption or not...breaks my heart. Barb |
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Post by kim on Oct 17, 2008 18:33:25 GMT -4
Maybe shy and afraid of other dogs -- maybe people - but you really never know. I did a lot of rescue work with Rottweilers and some were really abused but were just so forgiving and forgetful of their past once they were in a good and stable environment. They were so greatful to get a kind smile, a pat on the head, a treat, toy or a quiet and safe place to hang thier head and finally rest, not be stressed and just allowed to be a dog - and play like a dog -- just a big sigh of relief for them. I have always found that rescue dogs and shelter dogs were the most appreciative and loyal pets- - even despite some horrific pasts.
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Post by kim on Oct 17, 2008 18:37:05 GMT -4
Bait dogs are usually dogs that won't fight back or can't or don't know how - - they use them because they know the dog fighting will win and it supposedly boosts the fighting dogs ego and build confidence once he has the win.
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Post by - on Oct 17, 2008 18:50:05 GMT -4
Maybe shy and afraid of other dogs -- maybe people - but you really never know. I did a lot of rescue work with Rottweilers and some were really abused but were just so forgiving and forgetful of their past once they were in a good and stable environment. They were so greatful to get a kind smile, a pat on the head, a treat, toy or a quiet and safe place to hang thier head and finally rest, not be stressed and just allowed to be a dog - and play like a dog -- just a big sigh of relief for them. I have always found that rescue dogs and shelter dogs were the most appreciative and loyal pets- - even despite some horrific pasts. OMG bait dogs...so very sad. We were lucky, last week we adopted a lab/border collie puppy from ARF, and she gets along so beautifully with our BIG chocolate lab. They play and play and play. Our puppy has brothers at ARF if any one is looking for a pup with wonderful disposition. -CG |
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Post by catlady on Oct 20, 2008 20:53:34 GMT -4
The bait dog is a small lab type dog, very cute, very sweet, does not stay at the back of the kennel, so he/she (can't remember) has some trust in human beings. Beneath all those scars is a lovely little dog looking for a home. He/she is not the agressor, but the one who was attacked. Deserves better, don't you think?
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Post by doglady on Oct 28, 2008 9:03:10 GMT -4
How do you go about fostering? I have 2 rotties, a brother and sister that I rescued. I could only take a female. I love this breed.They are the greastest. My family calls them Dumb and Dumber,ha ha....They do not have a mean streak in them. I also have several other dogs.
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Post by lynn on Oct 28, 2008 10:42:09 GMT -4
Unfortunately, most of the kennels are filled up with pit bulls, some of which are the nicest dogs you could want. One in particular, Opal, is the sweetest dog I have ever encountered, regardless of breed. But many of them are unadoptable because of various reasons. So they are being housed there, since very seldom are animals euthanized at QAC shelter. There are some residents of QAC who feel that all dogs deserve to be adopted; even the ones that cannot be taken out of their kennels by shelter workers because they are so unpredictable, vicious, etc. The shelter workers are angels, but if you can find it in your heart to be a foster home for an animal, it is a wonderful service. Also, if you are thinking of getting a pet, please consider the animal shelter in QAC. Believe me, even if the dog is a pit bull, there are some really nice ones there at the present time. Please think about it. Hi Catlady. I love animals, but I would be absolutely terrified to have a pitbull in my home with my children. I know all dogs bite, but pit bulls (even the nicest of them) have a history of being unpredictable and going in an instant from nice and calm to mean and vicious. I know many pit bulls have been trained to fight by their owners and that is part of the reason some of the dogs attack. However, there have been many reports of owners who have had the dogs since they were puppies and state that they (the owners) were always kind and gentle with their dogs and yet their dogs later turned vicious on them or on someone else. I hear reports on the news all of the time of both children and adults being mulled from pit bulls. If you remember a few years back a lady was coming out of her condo and her neighbor was also coming out of her condo to take her 2 pit bulls for a walk. The dogs for no reason at all went after the neighbor and completely mulled her. The owner couldn't pull her dogs off and the dogs killed the other woman. This all was in the news and the owners went to jail. The owners had insisted their innocence and stated that they had no knowledge of their dogs ever being mean and had never trained them to be mean. From my own personal experience, I don't like and don't trust pit bulls. About 8 years ago I was living at my old house and my little girl was playing with her bubble maker in the back yard. We had a large fenced in yard and I could see her every move from the kitchen window as I was doing the dishes inside. Our dog usually stayed with the kids if they were outside, but for some reason the dog followed me inside the house that day. But even though our dog came inside with me, she sat at guard by the back screen door and also kept watch on my daughter. Our dog was a wonderful Shepard mix. She was extremely protective with our family. She never bit any people, but I believe that if we were ever in any harm she would have bitten to protect us. She also had the meanest sounding bark, so we slept soundly at night knowing we were well protected. She was an absolutely wonderful dog. She would wake us up if the babies were crying and lick everyone nonstop. She would roll around and play with the kids and would let the kids play dress up with her. Anyway, on the day in mention, my wonderful dog went right through our screen door and charged towards the back yard. She was met by our neighbors' (behind us) pit bull who had broken down one of the boards in our fence and was trying to make her way to my little girl. My dog stopped the other dog from getting to my little girl. I also ran outside at the same time as my dog, but I thank God that we had our protective Shepherd because I would have never made it to my daughter in time had my dog not stopped the other dog. I grabbed my daughter and ran inside. The two dogs were really going at it in the back yard and it sounded just awful. My neighbor came out and pulled his dog off of mine with some long pole with a loop thing. As soon as he pulled his dog back my dog came inside. She was exhausted and covered in blood. I cleaned her up and was happy to see that she only had minor cuts on her. She was a protective and loyal part of our family for many years after that until she died at an old age. I still get chills about when I think of that day and think of how I could have lost my little girl had my dog not been there. To anyone who thinks that this dog did not want to get my little girl, I will pray for you and pray that you are never in the same situation. I had never seen an animal so mean and so determined as that dog was to get to my daughter. I never knew that the neighbors behind us had a pit bull. They were new renters and that was the first time that I had seen or heard their dog. We never got an apology or any admission of guilt from them. The only thing they ever told us was that he was a nice dog and had never done that before. The dog was gone that day (not sure where or what they did with him). Yes, I know that Pit Bulls can be sweet. All dogs can be sweet. However, Pit Bulls have something in them that can make them extremely unreliable. They can go from nice to aggressive without any cause or reason. Do all Pit Bulls eventually become mean and vicious? No, I don't think that all do. However, I think that the potential is certainly there. Its like us women. We can be extremely sweet and loving, but when it is PMS time, we can be viciously mean and nasty creatures. Again, not all women become mean and nasty, but there is an increased potential to become so. Have I ever been bit by a dog? Well yes, several years ago I was out for a walk and came across a very sweet looking little dog all out by his lonesome. I thought "what a cute little dog" as I bent down to pet him. Sure enough that dog took a chomp right on my hand. As I walked away with my bleeding hand, I thought what a dummy I was for petting a dog I didn't know like that. |
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Post by lynn on Oct 28, 2008 10:44:53 GMT -4
I'm not trying to discourage anyone from adopting or fostering. All of my animals have always been adopted animals. I just want to offer my opinion on the Pit Bull situation.
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Post by Guest on Oct 28, 2008 11:32:52 GMT -4
Pitts are NO WHERE near the top of the aggressive dog list. Check your facts. They make loving, loyal, and good dogs, however they need to know who's alpha, and properly socialized, as do many of the larger breeds.
A few of the top aggressive breeds? Dachshunds, border collies, Chihuahuas, cocker spaniels, etc....
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Post by lynn on Oct 28, 2008 12:48:57 GMT -4
Pitts are NO WHERE near the top of the aggressive dog list. Check your facts. They make loving, loyal, and good dogs, however they need to know who's alpha, and properly socialized, as do many of the larger breeds. A few of the top aggressive breeds? Dachshunds, border collies, Chihuahuas, cocker spaniels, etc.... How many people have been killed from Dachshunds, Border Collies, Chihuahuas, Cocker Spaniels, etc....? So what if they are little biters? I could kill a Chihuahua with one step. I could also kick a Dachshund, Border Collie, or Cocker Spaniel all the way across the room if necessary. Nobody ever said that little dogs can't be aggressive or biters. If you read my post, I even said that the only dog I had ever been bit by was a cute little dog. I also never disagreed with the statement that Pits can't be gentle and loving pets. My neighbor said his dog was gentle and loving. Yes, they can be gentle and loving, but they can also become aggressive for no apparent reason and attack people. Its not too hard to find stories about people being mulled, attacked, or killed by Pit Bulls. How many stories can you find about people being mulled or killed by a Chihuahua? Imagine this, Pit Bulls are given a different name and named after a Mexican State like the Chihuahuas are. Do you think that Taco Bell would ever use a Pit Bull for its Mascot and commercials instead of the cute little Taco Bell Chihuahua? Heck No! A Pit Bull scares the crap out of most people. I'm happy for you that your experiences with Pit Bulls have all been pleasant ones. I sincerely hope for you that you never encounter an aggressive situation. |
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Post by AquaHolic on Oct 28, 2008 16:52:48 GMT -4
Unfortunately, most of the kennels are filled up with pit bulls, some of which are the nicest dogs you could want. One in particular, Opal, is the sweetest dog I have ever encountered, regardless of breed. But many of them are unadoptable because of various reasons. So they are being housed there, since very seldom are animals euthanized at QAC shelter. There are some residents of QAC who feel that all dogs deserve to be adopted; even the ones that cannot be taken out of their kennels by shelter workers because they are so unpredictable, vicious, etc. The shelter workers are angels, but if you can find it in your heart to be a foster home for an animal, it is a wonderful service. Also, if you are thinking of getting a pet, please consider the animal shelter in QAC. Believe me, even if the dog is a pit bull, there are some really nice ones there at the present time. Please think about it. Hi Catlady. I love animals, but I would be absolutely terrified to have a pitbull in my home with my children. I know all dogs bite, but pit bulls (even the nicest of them) have a history of being unpredictable and going in an instant from nice and calm to mean and vicious. I know many pit bulls have been trained to fight by their owners and that is part of the reason some of the dogs attack. However, there have been many reports of owners who have had the dogs since they were puppies and state that they (the owners) were always kind and gentle with their dogs and yet their dogs later turned vicious on them or on someone else. I hear reports on the news all of the time of both children and adults being mulled from pit bulls. If you remember a few years back a lady was coming out of her condo and her neighbor was also coming out of her condo to take her 2 pit bulls for a walk. The dogs for no reason at all went after the neighbor and completely mulled her. The owner couldn't pull her dogs off and the dogs killed the other woman. This all was in the news and the owners went to jail. The owners had insisted their innocence and stated that they had no knowledge of their dogs ever being mean and had never trained them to be mean. From my own personal experience, I don't like and don't trust pit bulls. About 8 years ago I was living at my old house and my little girl was playing with her bubble maker in the back yard. We had a large fenced in yard and I could see her every move from the kitchen window as I was doing the dishes inside. Our dog usually stayed with the kids if they were outside, but for some reason the dog followed me inside the house that day. But even though our dog came inside with me, she sat at guard by the back screen door and also kept watch on my daughter. Our dog was a wonderful Shepard mix. She was extremely protective with our family. She never bit any people, but I believe that if we were ever in any harm she would have bitten to protect us. She also had the meanest sounding bark, so we slept soundly at night knowing we were well protected. She was an absolutely wonderful dog. She would wake us up if the babies were crying and lick everyone nonstop. She would roll around and play with the kids and would let the kids play dress up with her. Anyway, on the day in mention, my wonderful dog went right through our screen door and charged towards the back yard. She was met by our neighbors' (behind us) pit bull who had broken down one of the boards in our fence and was trying to make her way to my little girl. My dog stopped the other dog from getting to my little girl. I also ran outside at the same time as my dog, but I thank God that we had our protective Shepherd because I would have never made it to my daughter in time had my dog not stopped the other dog. I grabbed my daughter and ran inside. The two dogs were really going at it in the back yard and it sounded just awful. My neighbor came out and pulled his dog off of mine with some long pole with a loop thing. As soon as he pulled his dog back my dog came inside. She was exhausted and covered in blood. I cleaned her up and was happy to see that she only had minor cuts on her. She was a protective and loyal part of our family for many years after that until she died at an old age. I still get chills about when I think of that day and think of how I could have lost my little girl had my dog not been there. To anyone who thinks that this dog did not want to get my little girl, I will pray for you and pray that you are never in the same situation. I had never seen an animal so mean and so determined as that dog was to get to my daughter. I never knew that the neighbors behind us had a pit bull. They were new renters and that was the first time that I had seen or heard their dog. We never got an apology or any admission of guilt from them. The only thing they ever told us was that he was a nice dog and had never done that before. The dog was gone that day (not sure where or what they did with him). Yes, I know that Pit Bulls can be sweet. All dogs can be sweet. However, Pit Bulls have something in them that can make them extremely unreliable. They can go from nice to aggressive without any cause or reason. Do all Pit Bulls eventually become mean and vicious? No, I don't think that all do. However, I think that the potential is certainly there. Its like us women. We can be extremely sweet and loving, but when it is PMS time, we can be viciously mean and nasty creatures. Again, not all women become mean and nasty, but there is an increased potential to become so. Have I ever been bit by a dog? Well yes, several years ago I was out for a walk and came across a very sweet looking little dog all out by his lonesome. I thought "what a cute little dog" as I bent down to pet him. Sure enough that dog took a chomp right on my hand. As I walked away with my bleeding hand, I thought what a dummy I was for petting a dog I didn't know like that. lynn....wow...I can totally understand your feelings on Pit Bulls...Not to be difficult...but are you sure they were pit bulls killed that woman. There was a much publicized case of Pressa Canario's killing some woman...they are not pit bulls...but can be very agressive. Alot of people lump all Bull dogs into the same bundle with Pits (not directed at you..just an observation)...and there are Many different types of bull dogs. My nephew has an American Bull Dog...his name is Tango...he is the most gentle and laid back dog on the planet...he was almost labeled a pit bull... www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanbulldog.htmI know Animal Control has a lot of pit bulls...some of them are not even adoptable...so I ask...Why are they taking up shelter space that could be used for an adoptable dog? I love animals...of all kinds...but reality is...pit bulls are not the most wanted "family dog"... Here is a little test: www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.htmlI did not pick the right dogs...Also...another issue I have is that if a Mixed Breed dog bites someone...they label it with a Pure Bred label...for example...Dogs ears stick up...must be German Shepherd...so it goes under as a German Shepherd bit someone...I can't tell you how much that irratates me. Barb |
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Post by mcbeth on Oct 28, 2008 17:26:26 GMT -4
Barb,
You're right; the incident Lynn referenced was the Presa Canario (and unfortunately it appears that it was previously owned by an adult convict that this couple "adopted"; can't figure that one out, but obviously the animals were not trust-worthy, to say the least) and that's a breed that has a bad reputation. I also am not sure I understand why pits stay in shelters when other animals may be more likely to be adopted. I hate to see any animal destroyed (and yes, I agree that it's the rep, not the whole breed) but unfortunately they are just not easily adoptable, and far too often come from a bad situation. Humans can be quite hateful, can't we? But, it's understandable when folks with kids don't want to adopt or foster a breed that has such a poor reputation (deserving or not). It's just never worth the risk.
I must say I am in awe of anyone who will put in the time and energy to foster an animal until it manages to be permanently adopted; kudos to you all!!!
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Post by Guest on Oct 28, 2008 18:03:20 GMT -4
I sincerely hope for you that you never encounter an aggressive situation. Outlaw Camaros along with the pitt bulls. Camaros have killed people locally too. Seriously. The breed is not the problem. The OWNER is the problem. |
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Post by mcbeth on Oct 28, 2008 19:11:32 GMT -4
I sincerely hope for you that you never encounter an aggressive situation. Outlaw Camaros along with the pitt bulls. Camaros have killed people locally too. Seriously. The breed is not the problem. The OWNER is the problem. There are certain breeds that should never be owned by someone who doesn't know how to work with these dogs properly. It's wrong and inhumane because this is typically how the dogs end up being confiscated and destroyed. Even "safe" dogs have bad individuals in the breed, but it's the "bad" breeds that get the headlines (my quotation marks. I also believe that "bad" dogs can be created, and like some "bad" people, they can have a genetic predisposition. Nature and nuture, but predisposition doesn't mean guarantee). Just my humble opinion. ;D I guess my point was that I can understand why folks are hesitant to own or foster certain dogs. |
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Post by AquaHolic on Oct 28, 2008 19:41:59 GMT -4
Outlaw Camaros along with the pitt bulls. Camaros have killed people locally too. Seriously. The breed is not the problem. The OWNER is the problem. There are certain breeds that should never be owned by someone who doesn't know how to work with these dogs properly. It's wrong and inhumane because this is typically how the dogs end up being confiscated and destroyed. Even "safe" dogs have bad individuals in the breed, but it's the "bad" breeds that get the headlines (my quotation marks. I also believe that "bad" dogs can be created, and like some "bad" people, they can have a genetic predisposition. Nature and nuture, but predisposition doesn't mean guarantee). Just my humble opinion. ;D I guess my point was that I can understand why folks are hesitant to own or foster certain dogs. Exactly Mcbeth... And Guest...I hope you do not truly believe that it is only the Owner who is bad...inbreeding is a huge issue...and breeding for aggression...so its the Breeder who starts the process of being an idiot...and the owner who finishes off the dog. The dog has no chance from conception....makes me sick. Oh...and a Camaro does not have the ability to think...its the person driving that does that...so its not the Car that kills its the idiot behind the wheel...Kind of like the same premis as guns  Barb |
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Post by einebierbitte on Oct 28, 2008 19:49:16 GMT -4
Ok people as an owner of Pit Bulls, I currently have two.....Just let me say this....Not everyone on this planet should own a pit bull. With that said, I happen to agree with BC on the fact that German Shephards and Chows are far more agresssive than you might think. Just because YOUR dog isn't agressive doesn't mean that all shephards or whatever breed you prefer aren't aggressive. I have been bitten and attacked by full blooded German Shephards on two different occassions and I did nothing to provoke them. I will not go anywhere near them to this day, no matter "how" friendly they seem to be. ANY dog breed out there can be "dangerous".....If they have teeth, they can inflict a serious bite. Pitbulls, I know have a bad rap, I also know that there are Pitbulls out there that have mauled and hurt and even killed, but that number in reality is really low. I can't even begin to tell you how many news stories that I have watched and read that that leads out about a Pit bull incident then they show the dog and it's not even a pit bull. We are responsible owners. We know how to raise and treat our Pits, we know how to socialize them.... We also know what to do if we get one whose agression can't be controlled. They are only allowed to run free in our backyard, which we have a 6 foot privacy foot fence completely around the perimiter....The fence isn't for your Protection...It is for their protection. When we do bring them out in public, they are well behaved and as we walk them thru the neighborhood we have met many of our neighbors who practically fall in love with them because they are the most sweetest and lovable and loyal creatures you can find. But not everyone can be a pitbull owner and there are some bad owners out their that ruin a good a dog and cause the apprehension of the joe q public. You have a right to your opinion, just as I have a right to mine, but to lump all pit's in the same category is just as ridiculous to lump all shephards in to one category.... But in the same breath, I know what pits are capable of, and I respect that and I ensure that doesn't happen in my household.. Owners of other breeds should do the same, just because your dog isn't bad, doesn't mean every dog of that breed out there is just like your dog..... Also for the record, In the past 5 years, on dog bites, Pits haven't even been in the top 5 of "reported" bites.... Dalmations, Chows and Shephards are repeatedly 1, 2 and 3 on the lists put out there...... If I had the room and the time, I would gladly foster the dogs If I could..... Has anyone at QAC called the rescue shelters of certain breeds?  ? |
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Post by AquaHolic on Oct 28, 2008 20:07:01 GMT -4
Not to get into a pissing match with you...but I can produce just as many Top 5 reported bites with pits in it....I am just as defensive of a Shepherd as you are of your pit. The difference between your pit and my shepherd is....Pit attacks are reported by the News people...doesn't mean there are MORE bites by them...they are just reported by the news hounds who like blood and gore. As for Shepherds...I will repeat...MOST of the bite reports if looked into...I would bet are Strays who look like they may have shepherd in them. If you look at the latest stupid list on some news station...Doxies are the number 1 biter...which I find hilarious...Any idiot can make up a list...doesn't mean it is true. Also...I do NOT Believe in the Banned Dog list/law or whatever the idiot who decided it would be a good thing....because..where would that law end...could be with my dog... I do agree with most of what you say...except where you mention Shepherds  ...only because I love the breed as much as you love yours...and both are over exploited and misunderstood. Barb Edit....ugh...sorry if this sounds mean...having a bad moment. |
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Post by einebierbitte on Oct 28, 2008 20:24:59 GMT -4
I am not getting in a pissing match with anyone. Shephards are agressive, I know I have the scars to prove it, they weren't strays, the were full blooded.
We can agree to disagree, most of the "reported" pit attacks aren't be full blooded pits either...
I have a friend who owns a doxie, who is as vicious and evil as they come, so no I am not surprised that doxies have come out as number one on a bite list.
Yes, anyone can and does publish their own perceptions and if one wants to dig hard enough I am sure we will find a list out there that will list a beagle or even a basset as a vicious and dangerous dogs (sorry that's the only breeds I can honestly think of that one wouldn't think bad things about...)
Agree many of breed are exploited and misunderstood, I am well aware that my preferred breed can be dangerous, and so can your breed. and Joes preferred breed, and Janes preferred breed, and bubbas, and jacks, and sallies, and Jakes, and Jills and so and so on....
Bottom line is Owner responsponsibility. Dogs and Cats shouldn't be just whims.... So many people buy or inherit them as kitties and puppies and discard them when they are dogs or cats, or even worse get them and then realize they don't want the responsibility of raising them or taking care of them....
I wish it would be a lot harder for people to own animals and law more harsher for those who abuse them.......
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Post by funnel101 on Oct 28, 2008 20:48:29 GMT -4
It breaks my heart to see old animals in shelters... You just know that some of them were given up because the owners didn't want to deal with them...  |
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Post by - on Oct 28, 2008 21:00:56 GMT -4
I have met Eine's pit bulls who are big lovers and kissers, I haven't met Barb's shepherd, but I have met Sharon's. Her German Shepherd is a big love. It is all about the owners of the doggies, and their behavior. We have a 90 lb. Chocolate Lab who scared so many vets here, until we met Dr. Rice at Town and Country animal Hospital. Our big boy is not mean, just afraid of going to the dr's., thankfully Dr. Rice changed that. We have a new addition to our family ! She is a 3 month old lab/mix breed puppy, she is now house broken after 3 weeks here and is a big little girl bully to our big 90 lb. Lab. We have Romper Room every morning, and every evening, playing with a toy or just a water bottle. It's up to the owners, and even the fosters to give them a chance and love. Some never knew love, and that's all they need. -CG |
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Post by lynn on Oct 28, 2008 21:39:31 GMT -4
I was trying to find the story I was talking about. I didn't find it but I found another site: pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attacks.htmAgain, I am not doubting that any of your personal pets are not nice pets and I am not doubting that Eine's dogs aren't nice either. My belief is that of a very general stereotype that I have to the breed in general. Stories like the one ones in the site above, along with my own experience, make me have a general distrust for that breed. Like Eine has a dislike for Shepherds, I have a dislike/distrust for Pit Bulls. I know that many of the smaller yippy dogs can be quite aggressive too, but they just don't scare me because of their size. Like Eine said, some things people have to just agree to disagree on an issue. That being said, I would like to get the focus of this thread off of the Pit Bulls (I know I brought it up) and back on the needs of the QAC Shelter. Does anyone know what the policies are at the shelter? Do they have room to keep animals until they are adopted or do they give them to ARF? I agree that the people there are very nice. I had gone there several times in the past when I was looking for a dog. They were never overcrowded when I was there in the past. I hope this is just a temporary situation for them and not something of an ongoing problem. |
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Post by kim on Oct 28, 2008 22:35:06 GMT -4
I was trying to find the story I was talking about. I didn't find it but I found another site: pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attacks.htmAgain, I am not doubting that any of your personal pets are not nice pets and I am not doubting that Eine's dogs aren't nice either. My belief is that of a very general stereotype that I have to the breed in general. Stories like the one ones in the site above, along with my own experience, make me have a general distrust for that breed. Like Eine has a dislike for Shepherds, I have a dislike/distrust for Pit Bulls. I know that many of the smaller yippy dogs can be quite aggressive too, but they just don't scare me because of their size. Like Eine said, some things people have to just agree to disagree on an issue. That being said, I would like to get the focus of this thread off of the Pit Bulls (I know I brought it up) and back on the needs of the QAC Shelter. Does anyone know what the policies are at the shelter? Do they have room to keep animals until they are adopted or do they give them to ARF? I agree that the people there are very nice. I had gone there several times in the past when I was looking for a dog. They were never overcrowded when I was there in the past. I hope this is just a temporary situation for them and not something of an ongoing problem. They try to keep them as long as they can -I personally dont know the policy word for word - but it's not a "in on Monday and euthanized by Friday" type situation - I know they work with groups like ARF, Chesapeake Cats and Dogs and the breed rescues to take them (maybe the CC&D and ARF people can elaborate more). There are some dogs that have been up there for 8 months (poor babies). But the rescues, etc. are being overwhelmed as well. Since the beginning of October, the rescue I am active with has had to turn away 61 dogs from people or shelters trying to place Border Collies because they don't have any room. The reasons people give up thier pets can be so stupid. Example "can we trade our 9 year old border collie in for one that doesn't chase chickens", etc. -- Uh - hello -- how about some training here first! - More people need to research the breed they are interested in first and make sure they can really handle it and are up for the challenge. FYI -- the county has a vacancy on the animal control board - if anyone is interested in applying for it, please contact the county. This is a vacancy available to QAC Residents. |
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Post by AquaHolic on Oct 29, 2008 5:01:40 GMT -4
I am not getting in a pissing match with anyone. Shephards are agressive, I know I have the scars to prove it, they weren't strays, the were full blooded. We can agree to disagree, most of the "reported" pit attacks aren't be full blooded pits either... I have a friend who owns a doxie, who is as vicious and evil as they come, so no I am not surprised that doxies have come out as number one on a bite list. Yes, anyone can and does publish their own perceptions and if one wants to dig hard enough I am sure we will find a list out there that will list a beagle or even a basset as a vicious and dangerous dogs (sorry that's the only breeds I can honestly think of that one wouldn't think bad things about...) Agree many of breed are exploited and misunderstood, I am well aware that my preferred breed can be dangerous, and so can your breed. and Joes preferred breed, and Janes preferred breed, and bubbas, and jacks, and sallies, and Jakes, and Jills and so and so on.... Bottom line is Owner responsponsibility. Dogs and Cats shouldn't be just whims.... So many people buy or inherit them as kitties and puppies and discard them when they are dogs or cats, or even worse get them and then realize they don't want the responsibility of raising them or taking care of them.... I wish it would be a lot harder for people to own animals and law more harsher for those who abuse them....... But you see Eine....you are lumping ALL shepherds into the Agressive pile...exactly what you want people to not do to your pits. My Shepherd will rip you apart if you try to hurt his family...but if you are not a threat...he won't have a problem with you. Shepherds are Not agressive....at least most are not. They are not bred to be that way...the owners can make them that way...or some stupid backyard breeder can make them that way by breeding for agression. I don't agree with lumping all animals of one breed into a certain catagory...because then laws will be made...and the only dogs/owners the Laws will hurt are the responsible ones. I do know...that if I have a pit a few home owners insurance companies would not insure me...and a few wouldn't because I have a shepherd. So at least we are on the same page....different breeds but on the same page. I should never post when I am upset (about something different)...ugh... Barb |
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...only because I love the breed as much as you love yours...and both are over exploited and misunderstood.
