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Post by BlueMule on Mar 24, 2007 17:21:43 GMT -4
I honestly have seen them say when and where to expect the check pionts on WJZ and the DC channels during the the prime holidays. Around here, maybe not, but up and down route 2 and farther west, yes in deedee. There and elsewhere around over there around Balto.
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Post by Mike on Mar 24, 2007 19:40:39 GMT -4
hey bchevy, they do, by law have to announce all sobriety check points. You will see them in the Capital, Star Dem etc... I would know now.. I work in the law enforcement sector
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Post by bchevy on Mar 24, 2007 20:03:58 GMT -4
Hadn't seem em advertised, kinda kills the purpose.....
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Post by Pete Richter on Mar 24, 2007 23:08:27 GMT -4
Sobriety Check Point = A fishing trip... Contrary to the Constitution citizens are stopped without being suspect of a crime first. Then the citizen has to prove his innocents to the accuser. Allowing these UN-American tactics was one of Big Brothers biggest leaps into our freedom. You will never see a check point near the capital building in Annapolis when the politicians are in session. No citizen wants the drunk on the road driving lake a lunatic. Yes they will arrest some drunks, but they are not solving the problem with road blocks.
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Post by gwbushdumb on Mar 25, 2007 11:48:37 GMT -4
Pete is my hero,
A COP, Police Officer, Troppper, whatever you want to call it takes a certain type of person with a certain type of mentality. I have never met any with the "norm" personality. They are weird and definitely take advantage of every power they have or think they have. Not to say they are bad people, husbands, wifes, sons, daughters or parents but they do entertain like a train wreck. I know of a neighborhood where no vehicles with company names are allowed to be posted on their vehicles parked in their driveway or on the street. Some people have blank magnets to cover the company names, some park their cars in the designated fenced in boat parking lot or overflow parking area and walk to and from every day. Well there is a one person in this neighborhood I guess with a ego problem or trying to compensate for some type of short coming that has a Metropolitan Police car with huge lettering on all sides even the roof number 8969 parked in the driveway or in the street all the time, and get this the personal vehicle is parked in the fenced in overflow parking area. Now this doesn't harm anyone but everyone else follows they community rules and this person cant because of being a police officer. That annoys a lot of people I heard. Maybe its just about being a government employee, are they all the same, I dont want to go there because I'm sure 95% people here are government employees.
Lets have a poll, will someone start this up I'm toooo LAZY.
So what to do, go Pete go.
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Post by shoreman on Mar 25, 2007 12:11:15 GMT -4
Most departments only let the County Officers take their car home if they live within the county. A Trooper can take his car home wherever he lives in the State. The caveat is that he is required to handle a call if he is using the car off duty.
I find it interesting that a neighbor would have a problem with another neighbor being a police officer and having a marked car next door to them (unless the neighbor is doing something illegal themself). I for one would welcome a marked police car parked in my area 24/7.
Just about every police officer I know seems to be a good honest person, sorry your experiences have not been the same.
As I stated a while back, yes there are police officers that abuse power, just as employees of companies abuse their positions, but thankfully they are few and far between.
Also as I stated way back when, I recall in the 50's in Baltimore City, a police officer setting up prostitution for professional ball players when they came to town, what did he do when it came time to testify before the grand jury on this? He quit and would not give up others involved........In the 60's the city Police were known for brutality.......a former officer on this board should be familiar with all of this. However, the amount of officers that were "dirty" then were miniscule compared to the good officers.
Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.
Also, from what I have read, our so called "guest deputy" is probably not an officer and if by chance he is, he falls into the catagory of the miniscule few bad ones.
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Post by falgar25 on Mar 25, 2007 12:56:43 GMT -4
I find it interesting that a neighbor would have a problem with another neighbor being a police officer and having a marked car next door to them (unless the neighbor is doing something illegal themself). I for one would welcome a marked police car parked in my area 24/7. I have mixed feelings on this point. First, I'm very anti-HOA; when I fork over a boatload of money for a home, I kinda expect to be able to do what I want there. On the other hand, I imagine the HOA agreement was pretty clear and didn't specify exceptions for the guy with the police cruiser. The rules are the rules and they should apply to everyone. It's the idea that the rules apply to everyone except those who enforce them that cause many of the bad feelings.
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Post by BlueMule on Mar 25, 2007 16:24:36 GMT -4
I stop in here every now and then when I need a reality check. www.odmp.org/
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Post by Pete Richter on Mar 26, 2007 1:31:40 GMT -4
shoreman........"Officers denied on duty death benefits".....Do you have more on this?
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Post by BlueMule on Mar 26, 2007 4:12:20 GMT -4
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Post by gwbushdumb on Mar 26, 2007 8:43:45 GMT -4
shoreman, About that police car next to your house 24/7, I will supply all the material and labor, construct a vehicle size billboard with professional signage advertising whatever type of authoritative, jurisdiction on it and put it in front of your house, in your yard or driveway if that would make you feel better. How would it make your neighbors feel or do you care.
falger25,
I agree with everything you said about HOA. Dont get me wrong rules are rules I'm not saying its okay for certain peolpe to break them because of who they work for or what the signage they carry around represents, what about the people who do follow the rules what kind of impression does this give them.
BlueMule,
Your reality checks are good and impressionable but for this particular carer choice these total deaths are pretty good. Look at other careers and see how many wonderful, husbands, wifes, sons, daughters, get killed in comparison.
I think people should put more emphases on doing whats right.
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Post by Pete Richter on Mar 26, 2007 11:35:02 GMT -4
gwbushdumb........See the movie 300, and you will see a real hero. The Spartan King gave his life for liberty & justice. He and his men stood their ground for their fellow countrymen. All were killed, but their courage sparked a fire that the Persians could not put out. ..."Remenber the Alamo"....The story is always the same, only the names, and faces change.
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Post by gwbushdumb on Mar 26, 2007 12:33:18 GMT -4
I'll have to see that movie thanks.
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Post by shorti on Mar 26, 2007 13:39:09 GMT -4
OMG!! are you kidding me Pete??? You are comparing Good Cop/Bad Cop to the movie 300?? Maybe we should compare to Braveheart?? You never cease to amaze me... I agree - for the most part - police officers are good people - they put their lives on the line for our safety. However, there are the few bad ones which makes the overall look bad. Now do I think that police officers should be able to bend the rules or break them because of their position - absolutely not!! Do i get aggravated when I'm driving down 50 and a cop flys up behind me, gets on my butt w/out his lights on and then I change lanes to let him pass & he passes me like I'm sitting still?? Hell yeah - cause if it were me & I were flying down the road and the cop got over to let me pass & I passed him - I'd get a ticket. But on the other hand... I can't stand those people who seem to have a hard time pulling over when an emergency vehicle (cop, ambulance, fire truck) with it's lights on is coming up behind them!! My comments to those people is that they are going to feel like real jerks if God forbid, they get home and it was their family that emergency vehicle was rushing to help & you held them up...
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Post by bchevy on Mar 26, 2007 15:12:40 GMT -4
HEY PETE:
Got VIDEO POSTED YET?
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Post by Pete Richter on Mar 26, 2007 18:00:30 GMT -4
shorti...........No I'm not...... gwbushdumb called me his hero. A hero to me is the Spartan King I mentioned from the movie, George Washington, and Audy Murphy.........Have a nice day.
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Post by Mike on Mar 26, 2007 21:45:51 GMT -4
Pete has no video
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Post by Same Deputy on Mar 27, 2007 0:24:36 GMT -4
I'll have to see that movie thanks. Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah, It's the same old, same old! There are bad cops and their are good cops. When Law enforcement agencies hire there police officers they have to choose from a pool of human beings. Period! Some good, Some great, Some not so good! Thats life on planet earth. You have good doctors and bad doctors. You have good plumbers and bad plumbers. The world is full of good farmers and some not so good farmers. Good accountants and bad accountants. Good teachers and bad teachers. Whats the point! Are there bad good cops out there! Of course! Oh well! Such as life! When you go to a restaurant and have a bad meal are all restaurants now bad! Are police officers held to a different standard than other people! Yep! Do cops speed down the roadway when there not responding to an emergency or no call for service. Of course! Is that far? No! Is it wrong? Yes! Is that apart of life? Yes! Life is not fair! Are there different sets of rules! Of course! Are separate rules fair and right? No! But thats life. There are many things in life that are not right and fair. It's not fair that children are abused and sexually assaulted. It's not fair and right that citizens homes get broken into by the crack head. It's not right an fair that innocent people die ever year to a senseless act of violence. It's not right and fair that people have to lock there house doors in order not to have there house burglarized. It's not fair and right that a motorist is struck and killed by a drunk driver. Life is not fair people! Wake up thats the world we live in. You say that cops are no different than any other person yet you say we are held to a much higher standard than other people? That makes no sense. Either police officers are equal or not. You can't have it both ways. If I am held to a higher standard while off duty or on duty than the non law enforcement officer than were not equal. If we were equal then I would not be held to a higher standard. Equal means same! If a teacher gets arrested for suspected drunk driving after a late Saturday night, he does not get fired and no action can be taken against him by there employer. If a police officer gets arrested for drunk driving then he could and most likely be fired. Thats not equal to me! If the police are not above the law than why are we held to a higher standard of the law! Which is it! Are we equal or not! If were equal then why am I held to a higher standard of conduct while off duty than the farmer or brick layer. If I get into an altercation while off duty as a police officer I could be charged departmental with conduct unbecoming an officer! If joey the car salesman gets into an altercation not at work, nothing happens to him at his place of employment! How is that equal! All I read from people is how the police are no better, not above the law and equal to the citizens! I see no equality here what so ever. Just a few examples of how police officers are in no way equal to non law enforcement officers. Which way is it. If police are held to a higher standard and we have different rules then we are in fact not equal! Equal means the same! Same for the police as any other person (Farmer, brick layer, lawyer, food server, etc)
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Post by Pete Richter on Mar 27, 2007 5:40:13 GMT -4
Deputy Guest........The difference between the Cop & the civilian is this...... You are required by law to take an oath to be a Policeman. There are certain standards you are required to meet to get the job in the first place. Your integrity is critical when you testify in court. In most traffic stops it's only your word against the citizens word. Don't do as I do, do as I say, I'm the long long arm of the law. You must lead by example to gain the respect of the citizens you swore to serve, and protect.
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Post by bchevy on Mar 27, 2007 6:01:09 GMT -4
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah, Says it all right THERE. Wannabe
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Post by kl on Mar 27, 2007 7:09:43 GMT -4
And the English language, nor spelling, is a part of that standard.
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Post by Same Deputy on Mar 27, 2007 7:56:15 GMT -4
Pete,
I hear what your saying and understand but the bottom line is that their are two different standards. Police officers are not equal to non police officers. Were not equal! Equal means same. Just because we enforce the law why should it mean that police are held to a higher standard when not working. Or should they be? Maybe, but the point is were not equal. There are a different set of rules for police that non law enforcement do not have to follow. Billy Ray can get arrested for suspected domestic assault and nothing happens to him. A police officer gets into a domestic incident, there practically fired or at least departmentally charged with conduct unbecoming. How is that equal? You say police should lead by example. How about teachers! They should lead! Doctors should lead! There a lot of people should lead by example. Not just police officers. Yes police enforce the law but were all human beings with the same traits and qualities as every other person. Why is it fair that a person can make a complaint to the off duty officer's department for something they said while off duty. Pete, what happens to your job if you say something that someone does not like or feels is unprofessional. Do you loose your job? Heck No! Does the manager of a retail store get terminated from there job if they get arrested or act unprofessional when not working? I think not! They don't even have to tell there employer. Law enforcement is the only field that you have to take a polygraph in order to get hired. Every other job it's illegal for an employer to make you take a polygraph test for hiring. Thats not equal to me. Equal means same. I see two sets of rules here. Thats not fair. Either were equal or not. Higher standard means above! Above means not equal. It's that simple. Police are not equal and yes at times us police break the rules! Thats life! Police get away with certain things such as speeding that a civilian may not get away with. Big fat deal! Over all, the non law enforcement officer has a lot more rights and gets away with more things than a police officer.
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Post by Pete Richter on Mar 27, 2007 8:44:43 GMT -4
Deputy Guest.......You are special, because you have the power of arrest, and the authority of the government behind you...... Polygraph & Drug testing is common in many civilian jobs...... "Big fat deal" that cops get away with violating the traffic laws. Tell that to the guy whose insurance is sky high due to speeding tickets.....If you're in a security business ( Pinkerton-Wells Fargo etc.) that sends men to various locations, that are not owned by the same company, you need to be licensed by the State Police. All Police agencies do this type of security work without a license......If I had your power of arrest I would lock up Judge John J. Sause, and the X Sheriff Crossly for a start.
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Post by shadow1 on Mar 27, 2007 8:53:32 GMT -4
Deputy - among other things you say, the "polygraph" statement is wrong- "polygraphs" are not illegal, though inadmissable as evidence in most courts. An employer can ask that a potential candidate for employment take a polygraph test - if they don't agree, they can apply elsewhere. No, law enforcement is not the only field required, it occurs within the government routinely as well as other companies involved in sensitive work. You need to brush up on your facts before spouting off! Are you and Pete related
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Post by Same Deputy on Mar 27, 2007 11:35:43 GMT -4
Deputy - among other things you say, the "polygraph" statement is wrong- "polygraphs" are not illegal, though inadmissible as evidence in most courts. An employer can ask that a potential candidate for employment take a polygraph test - if they don't agree, they can apply elsewhere. No, law enforcement is not the only field required, it occurs within the government routinely as well as other companies involved in sensitive work. Shadow! I'm not taking about polygraphs for criminal proceedings. I am talking about polygraphs for employment purposes. Look at the labor law board that is posted at your employment site. Every place has it hanging. The point is this people! Police are not equal. Bottom line! There are different sets of rules and thats the way it is. I don't have a problem with being held to a higher standard but don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining. Non law enforcement can do way more things and get away with them than police officers. Law enforcement is one of the few fields were a person is held for there actions while not even working. To me thats a load of bull, but thats the way it is! What I do when I'm off duty is my business, however thats not reality. If a female police officer (while off duty) wanted to pose for a magazine with little to no clothes on, then she could be fired from her agency for conduct unbecoming an officer. There has been cases like this already! If the female bank teller did the same thing on her own time, would she be fired or action from her work taken against her. Heck no! Where is the equality. None there! There are plenty of days I miss just being a plain old citizen where I can say what I want and not have to worry about losing my job, but thats not the reality of it. Police officers are very different from the rest of the non police. We may get away with some things perhaps like speeding but overall we get shafted way more. You may get a ticket which carries a point, we get fired for things that no other person could loose there job for or get killed while protecting some thankless citizen who hates us anyway. Police run toward danger while everyone else runs away from it. Are there two sets of standards! You bet ya! Yes, its, wrong but thats the reality of planet earth. All people are not equal! They should be, but thats not how it is!
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