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Post by joe1127 on Apr 18, 2009 13:27:58 GMT -4
la fontana is going to start to deliver soon
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Post by pete1 on Apr 18, 2009 17:07:49 GMT -4
The owner told me he hires green carders because the Americans are too lazy to work. La Fontana will not get any of my money.
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Post by terplady on Apr 18, 2009 17:09:21 GMT -4
I agree!
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Post by joe1127 on Apr 18, 2009 18:17:48 GMT -4
the owner is been in this country for fourty year this his home and theres lazy people every where in the world e said is american italian if you guys know what that mean let im make living give break
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Post by falgar25 on Apr 18, 2009 18:20:53 GMT -4
"green carders" ARE Americans. Unless I'm mistaken (it happens) they are the ones who waited in line and went through the process to become Americans.
Many "Americans" often ARE too lazy to work.
I've been to Fontana many times and will be there many more.
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Post by pete1 on Apr 18, 2009 18:46:56 GMT -4
falgar25..... Could we say that green carders are too lazy to straighten out their own country? I agree green carders are here legally and deserve a chance, but I will not spend a penny in La Fontana. You are an American, are you too lazy to work? I don't think so.
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Post by mcbeth on Apr 18, 2009 19:04:09 GMT -4
"green carders" ARE Americans. Unless I'm mistaken (it happens) they are the ones who waited in line and went through the process to become Americans. Many "Americans" often ARE too lazy to work. I've been to Fontana many times and will be there many more. The "green card" is a Permanent Resident Alien identification (they're not green any more; haven't been for decades, I believe). An individual who has acquired this status is here LEGALLY, so the fact that La Fontana "hires green carders" means that this is a business owner who is hiring someone who is here LEGALLY, and is in the final status before they take their oath to become a citizen, and eligible to work and live in the country they are about to make their own. I don't support illegal immigration (because the first word says it all for me) but someone who has worked as hard as a "green carder" to be here legally should be commended, not condemned.
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Post by pete1 on Apr 18, 2009 19:22:37 GMT -4
This is the best country the world has ever seen. Built on the blood, sweat, and courage of our forefathers. To say we are lazy is a disgrace, and a slap in the face. I will not spend one penny in La Fonatna.
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Post by mcbeth on Apr 18, 2009 20:08:53 GMT -4
This is the best country the world has ever seen. Built on the blood, sweat, and courage of our forefathers. To say we are lazy is a disgrace, and a slap in the face. I will not spend one penny in La Fonatna. We are all immigrants in this country when you boil it down. I have seen some very industrious individuals who were not born here make this country better for their blood, sweat and courage. And the number of non-citizens who currently make up our military might surprise you. I still say that condemning people who are working and fighting their butts off (for all of us) is pretty short-sighted. As for the owner of La Fontana, if his perception is that "Americans are lazy", well, that is his perception. Whether I agree with it or not, he is entitled to his opinion. You are also entitled not to patronize his business, but to make it seem like he is wrong for hiring people who can legally be here and work is out of line.
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Post by bchevy on Apr 18, 2009 22:10:13 GMT -4
We are all immigrants in this country when you boil it down. Um, I don't think so. but I too have been wrong before. To be an immigrant don't you have to be born in, or be a citizen of, some other country 1st? I'm 3rd generation born in Annapolis, my kids are the 4th generation born there..... WE are not immigrants. My grandfather on my Dad's side was. I think the rest of them were great grandparents or better.
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Post by Mike on Apr 19, 2009 0:01:55 GMT -4
WOOOOOO
Nikki, Wooo!
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Post by mcbeth on Apr 19, 2009 9:17:58 GMT -4
We are all immigrants in this country when you boil it down. Um, I don't think so. but I too have been wrong before. To be an immigrant don't you have to be born in, or be a citizen of, some other country 1st? I'm 3rd generation born in Annapolis, my kids are the 4th generation born there..... WE are not immigrants. My grandfather on my Dad's side was. I think the rest of them were great grandparents or better. My reference was to the roots of our country. Part of my family have been here since the late 1600s, but those folks were immigrants. My point (not too well-written, I realize) was that our country is based in the hard work of our immigrant roots. I realize that Pete was upset by the notion that someone won't hire Americans because the owner thinks we're lazy, but we're not all as hard-working as we'd like to think, and sometimes there is a portion of our society that tends to give off the "entitled" aura. But, from a literal standpoint, no, many of us have not recently immigrated, I know.
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Post by moosie on Apr 19, 2009 10:57:43 GMT -4
and many of us have. this is deeply offensive to immigrants who have come here legally and tried to make a life.
mcbeth is correct--unless you are native american, your family at one time immigrated. (even the natives did, but that was before we had the national boundaries we have now.)
someone with a green card has worked hard to achieve that status, and is likely to take the privilege of being an american more seriously than someone born into it.
good for la fontana for supporting hard-working almost citizens who are a productive part of our economy and keeping them off the welfare rolls.
many americans are lazy--witness, for example, hooper's island, where there are a couple of hundred jobs picking crabs going begging because there are no benefits, or the pay isn't high enough, or whatever. i guess welfare is a better deal. and this is only one such example.
many americans are not lazy--also true. good food + good staff = good business.
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Post by mcbeth on Apr 19, 2009 15:18:49 GMT -4
That's funny, Moosie, the crab industry is one that I thought of, because most of the picking and packing is now done by immigrants.
I have to say that I do agree with one of the points on this thread; I find it offensive to classify an entire group of people as "lazy" or anything else. Whether it is saying it about immigrants or folks born here, generalizing is wrong. Pete, I will concede that Americans have worked hard for our collective good - we can't get anywhere without hard work. I don't like to see anyone throwing out the baby with the bathwater, and in this case, legal immigrants. What a legal immigrant has to go through to get that "green card"/Permanent Resident Alien status is long lines (both in their home country and here), lots of money, and a tremendous wait - often more than 3 years, and lucky if it's that short a time. They've paid their dues, and have had to work hard to get where they are, is all.
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Post by joe1127 on Apr 19, 2009 16:47:47 GMT -4
pete go to sqisito they have green cards are rustigo they have them to
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Post by moosie on Apr 19, 2009 18:41:08 GMT -4
That's funny, Moosie, the crab industry is one that I thought of, because most of the picking and packing is now done by immigrants. the thing with that story is that the temporary immigrants were unable to get visa this year because some sort of quota had been reached. the crab houses have been trying to hire americans, and no one wants the job. amazing. i've heard it is not just down at hooper's. i mean, more than 200 jobs just there. and they are looking into possibly prisoners ding the work, only they say that that solution is a couple of hours away, so not too viable. why are the residents of the area unwilling to take these jobs if they have no jobs?
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Post by bchevy on Apr 19, 2009 20:09:00 GMT -4
why are the residents of the area unwilling to take these jobs if they have no jobs? Might be time to cut some welfare........ I mean subsidies......
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Post by pete1 on Apr 20, 2009 0:39:31 GMT -4
joe 1127........I do go to Squisito's where I spend my money, but I will not spend my money at La Fontana.
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Post by moosie on Apr 20, 2009 7:42:03 GMT -4
hmmm. green card at squisito's (where i love to go, btw) = pete's money. green card at la fontana's (which i go to occasionally) = pete's money NOT. something else going on here?
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Post by constructr on Apr 20, 2009 10:51:23 GMT -4
With what, that americans are too lazy to work? Having worked in just about every facet of the construction industry I have been exposed to many different labor categories in my career. I have found that most hispanic workers will work CIRCLES around any other person out there, when it comes to this particular industry. And in the process, they won't complain a bit!
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Post by pete1 on Apr 20, 2009 14:40:18 GMT -4
constructr.......It's about profit my friend. The Hispanics are moving up the ladder. Soon they will own the companies, and then they will underbid you. Don't cry when it happens.....We all know that there is good and bad in every group. The problem with our country is the fact that the law is not administered with JUSTICE.......Which came first the green carder or the illegal?
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Post by deputy on Apr 20, 2009 14:41:39 GMT -4
constructr.......It's about profit my friend. The Hispanics are moving up the ladder. Soon they will own the companies, and then they will underbid you. Don't cry when it happens.....We all know that there is good and bad in every group. The problem with our country is the fact that the law is not administered with JUSTICE.......Which came first the green carder or the illegal? AND it will happen with our own government giving them the cheap loans to get started. CHEAP LOANS THAT LEGAL, BORN HERE, AMERICAN CITIZENS CAN NOT GET.
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Post by constructr on Apr 20, 2009 17:25:00 GMT -4
constructr.......It's about profit my friend. The Hispanics are moving up the ladder. Soon they will own the companies, and then they will underbid you. quote] This is exactly the kind of paranoia that cracks me up. #1. I am not in business to be the lowest bidder. I am in business to provide the best VALUE to my clients. They can't compete with me in that regard. Most latinos working in the construction industry don't have a clue what true quality is. They are about production. Some do, like one of my workers, but most do not. #2. This is why, on almost every job, I insist on knowing who my competition is. If they won't tell me, I say "Thank you, but I'm not interested in providing a proposal." Although I've had only one person refuse to tell me who my competition was. #3. The Latino folks can not compete in the General Contracting arena with "Old School Craftsmen" types, like myself and others I know. There are very few that have been succesful and that is fine by me. They are going to stick to what they know best, such as Roofing, Siding, Masonry, Concrete, Landscaping, Excavation Contracting, and maybe Paving. And that is fine by me as long as they can deliver a QUALITY Product. #4. I have found, and this is just my true life observation, but, I have found that Most latinos want to "work" whereas many, not all, but many NON-latinos want to "get paid". It is very unfortunate, too. I have an excellent, hard working, young latino fella that has been with me for 5 years and I can count on one hand how many days he has missed in that 5 years. And I pay him TOP DOLLAR, too.
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Post by falgar25 on Apr 20, 2009 18:56:28 GMT -4
The Hispanics are moving up the ladder. Soon they will own the companies, and then they will underbid you. Don't cry when it happens..... Kind of ugly sentiment there. I really thought we, as a country, were over that after the discrimination against the Irish, Italians, Native Americans, blacks, etc. Legal is legal and that should be the end of it! Which law is not administered with justice? Tell me that you want to get illegals out of this country and I'm right there with you. Tell me that "real" Americans should get the jobs before "those" types who are moving in and taking over the neighborhood and you've really lost my respect.
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Post by mcbeth on Apr 20, 2009 19:19:58 GMT -4
Which came first the green carder or the illegal? Two entirely different statuses. As previously stated, Permanent Resident Aliens are here legally. They have jumped through every necessary hoop (and then some) over a period of years. Much more difficult to do than to just sneak over a border, which is why I don't support whole-sale amnesty. You don't just walk into the U.S. and get a "green card" (aka, P.R.A. card). Constructr, I admire your standards. You are correct; quality will eventually always win out. Yeah, I can go with the cheapest bid, but what will it usually get me? Having to pay a second time to have something re-done. Been there, done that once with a paint job....NEVER again (thank goodness it was just a small room). So, it may be that some folks will do a "cheaper" job, but they may never get business again in that area, and you can't sustain a business if you don't get good recommendations. (Note, Hechingers, as many of you were stating in another thread). I don't know that anyone is giving loans to illegals. Yes, people are having a tough time getting lines of credit, but after all of the craziness with sub-prime, etc, is anyone surprised? I'm glad that they tightened up requirements because "we" as a country are too far in debt (yeah, don't get me started on the gov't; I'm just talking about the regular, everyday person for now). There are people who owe mortgages and equity loans that totaled 125% of their house worth (and that was before the market tanked). As for jobs, if someone wants to work hard, then I can't say that they should not be working just because they weren't born here. If they are legal to work, well, then they are doing what my ancestors did when they got off the boat - working their hearts out and making this a great country.
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