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Post by kl on Nov 12, 2009 8:05:44 GMT -4
Someone needs to start worrying about things like the Saudi Islamic Schools in Virginia. They are teaching Sharia Law and other radical Islamic teachings. The Muslim faith has been hijacked by terrorists. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25106145
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2009 10:38:46 GMT -4
Good one!
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Post by moosie on Nov 12, 2009 12:06:18 GMT -4
a friend sent me this link. while it in no way excuses what happened at ft. hood, it is yet another reality of the consequences of conflict. as my friend put it: the murders at Ft. Hood are truly the definition of tragedy, but an even bigger tragedy...gets little attention: the accumulated stress our men and women in uniform are being subjected to. Thirteen people died at Ft. Hood, but an average of 10 soldiers there commit suicide every year. When do we begin holding candlelight vigils and memorial services for this reality? www.alternet.org/world/143837/10_suicides_a_year_at_ft._hood_--_war_stress_is_taking_soldiers_to_the_brink?page=1
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 12, 2009 12:56:39 GMT -4
a friend sent me this link. while it in no way excuses what happened at ft. hood, it is yet another reality of the consequences of conflict. as my friend put it: the murders at Ft. Hood are truly the definition of tragedy, but an even bigger tragedy...gets little attention: the accumulated stress our men and women in uniform are being subjected to. Thirteen people died at Ft. Hood, but an average of 10 soldiers there commit suicide every year. When do we begin holding candlelight vigils and memorial services for this reality? www.alternet.org/world/143837/10_suicides_a_year_at_ft._hood_--_war_stress_is_taking_soldiers_to_the_brink?page=1Candlelight vigils and memorial services for them will probably happen about the same time they have them for pregnant women who are murdered by the father of their babies. Hasan never saw combat so his PTSD should be minimal. It is a shame they are now going to declare him mentally ill, giving him an excuse for his jihadist terroristic behavior. The fear in doing this is he might be declared insane, put in a mental institution with no "sentence" and let out when some doctor declares he is "normal". I think when someone gets away with an horrific crime because of mental instability, when they are released from mental institutions, they should go directly to jail.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2009 13:03:38 GMT -4
Some interesting information coming out.....
Profiler: Fort Hood suspect a loner November 12, 2009 7:14 a.m. EST
Profiler: Hasan fits profile of mass murderer better than that of terrorist.
Fort Hood, Texas (CNN) -- People who knew and studied Maj. Nidal Hasan say he was a loner who had no luck finding a wife, and a criminal profiler said the Fort Hood shooting suspect fits the profile of a mass murderer better than that of a terrorist.
Investigators are searching for any missed "red flags" that might have prevented last week's fatal shooting, which left 12 soldiers and one civilian dead and 40 other people wounded. However, the FBI has said its investigations indicate the "alleged gunman acted alone and was not part of a broader terrorist plot."
"A lot of people are jumping to the conclusion because this man spouted violent Islamic ideology that this is a terrorist attack," criminologist Pat Brown said.
Brown, who profiles killers, said Hasan's profile is that of a loner.
"He was simply a lone guy who had issues, problems, psychopathic behaviors that escalated to the point where he wanted to get back at society, and he took it out on his workmates like most of them do," he said.
A cleric at the Dar al-Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Virginia, where Hasan attended when he lived in the area, said Hasan seemed to become "somewhat withdrawn" after the death of his mother in 2001.
"Some individuals said that their experience with him, that he changed after his mother passed away," Imam Johari Abdul-Malik said.
Another cleric there, Shaikh Shaker Elsayed, said efforts to find a wife for Hasan were unsuccessful.
"Well, we were not successful in matching him with somebody," he said.
Hasan, a 39-year-old psychiatrist, came under investigation last year when his communications with radical cleric Anwar al-Awlaki were intercepted by terrorism investigators who were monitoring al-Awlaki, a federal law enforcement official told CNN.
But an employee of the Defense Department's Criminal Investigative Services, assigned to the Joint Terrorism Task Force, decided to drop the investigation after reviewing the intercepted communications and Hasan's personnel files.
A senior Defense Department official said the task force's ground rules prevented that information from being transmitted outside the task force, although others disputed that.
"I find it hard to believe that they would just say, 'OK, we're not going to share any of this information with the military,' " HLN law enforcement analyst Mike Brooks said. "I mean, that's why you have a person from the military, from different military branches, on the task force to be the liaison."
A former counterterrorism official said the information about Hasan's communications with the imam should have been shared with the military unless the FBI specifically forbade it.
Still, one source familiar with the investigation said Hasan's communications with al-Awlaki appeared innocent in nature.
Another federal source familiar with the investigation said Hasan's actions give no indication he was following the guidance in al Qaeda's terrorist handbook in the weeks before Thursday's attack.
That handbook directs jihadists to conceal their religion, mask their beliefs and blend in. Instead, Hasan frequently appeared in public in traditional Muslim clothing and prayed daily at the local mosque, making no attempt to hide his religion or conservative beliefs, the source said.
Hasan remained hospitalized Wednesday in stable condition and has not been formally charged with any of the 13 deaths in last week's shooting. His civilian attorney, retired Army Col. John Galligan, said he has spoken with his client, but that he was heavily sedated.
"I think the closest thing that indicates that there's a court-martial in the works is last night about 8 I did receive an e-mail from the prosecutor at Fort Hood indicating to me that the pass privileges and leave privileges of Maj. Hasan had been revoked," Galligan said.
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 12, 2009 13:09:17 GMT -4
They just announced he will be charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder. The death penalty has not been used in the military court since 1961. I hope he will break that cycle. If this was an outsider that went into the military base and did this, people would be calling for his head.
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Post by kl on Nov 12, 2009 13:23:19 GMT -4
a friend sent me this link. while it in no way excuses what happened at ft. hood, it is yet another reality of the consequences of conflict. as my friend put it: the murders at Ft. Hood are truly the definition of tragedy, but an even bigger tragedy...gets little attention: the accumulated stress our men and women in uniform are being subjected to. Thirteen people died at Ft. Hood, but an average of 10 soldiers there commit suicide every year. When do we begin holding candlelight vigils and memorial services for this reality? www.alternet.org/world/143837/10_suicides_a_year_at_ft._hood_--_war_stress_is_taking_soldiers_to_the_brink?page=1Candlelight vigils and memorial services for them will probably happen about the same time they have them for pregnant women who are murdered by the father of their babies. Hasan never saw combat so his PTSD should be minimal. It is a shame they are now going to declare him mentally ill, giving him an excuse for his jihadist terroristic behavior. The fear in doing this is he might be declared insane, put in a mental institution with no "sentence" and let out when some doctor declares he is "normal". I think when someone gets away with an horrific crime because of mental instability, when they are released from mental institutions, they should go directly to jail. Nice side stepping there. But as usual, you went away from the topic. How come you're not yelling and screaming because of all of the suicides in the past 8 years at bases all over the U.S.A.? ---------------------------------------------------------------- PTSD afflicts 300,000 veterans from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, perhaps as many as 15% of returning soldiers. Yet, many do not receive the medical treatment they need. Last year there were 128 confirmed suicides by army personnel and 41 by marines, the highest on record. The suicide rate among soldiers in Iraq is five times higher than in the Persian Gulf War, and 11% higher than during Vietnam. In fact, the military suicide rate is higher than the overall U.S. rate, the first time since Vietnam. Further, stress-related homicides by soldiers-- at home and abroad, active duty and after they return home--amount to a crisis situation that does not receive the attention it warrants. Crime has been on the rise on military bases since 2003, according to a recent U.S. Army study. The study also found that soldiers who experienced more combat, and whose units sustained more casualties, had a higher risk of developing mental illness, criminality, and conduct problems. Prisons are repositories for the mentally ill that eschew rehabilitation and treatment. Consequently, these institutions create sicker people and better criminals in the process. Above and beyond the inherent madness, violence and criminality that institutions of war already represent, the U.S. military seems to assume a similar role. And the ticking time bomb originates not from the jacket of an al-Qaeda suicide bomber, but from within the ranks of the U.S. armed forces.
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 12, 2009 13:26:30 GMT -4
Candlelight vigils and memorial services for them will probably happen about the same time they have them for pregnant women who are murdered by the father of their babies. Hasan never saw combat so his PTSD should be minimal. It is a shame they are now going to declare him mentally ill, giving him an excuse for his jihadist terroristic behavior. The fear in doing this is he might be declared insane, put in a mental institution with no "sentence" and let out when some doctor declares he is "normal". I think when someone gets away with an horrific crime because of mental instability, when they are released from mental institutions, they should go directly to jail. Nice side stepping there. But as usual, you went away from the topic. How come you're not yelling and screaming because of all of the suicides in the past 8 years at bases all over the U.S.A.? ---------------------------------------------------------------- PTSD afflicts 300,000 veterans from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, perhaps as many as 15% of returning soldiers. Yet, many do not receive the medical treatment they need. Last year there were 128 confirmed suicides by army personnel and 41 by marines, the highest on record. The suicide rate among soldiers in Iraq is five times higher than in the Persian Gulf War, and 11% higher than during Vietnam. In fact, the military suicide rate is higher than the overall U.S. rate, the first time since Vietnam. Further, stress-related homicides by soldiers-- at home and abroad, active duty and after they return home--amount to a crisis situation that does not receive the attention it warrants. Crime has been on the rise on military bases since 2003, according to a recent U.S. Army study. The study also found that soldiers who experienced more combat, and whose units sustained more casualties, had a higher risk of developing mental illness, criminality, and conduct problems. Prisons are repositories for the mentally ill that eschew rehabilitation and treatment. Consequently, these institutions create sicker people and better criminals in the process. Above and beyond the inherent madness, violence and criminality that institutions of war already represent, the U.S. military seems to assume a similar role. And the ticking time bomb originates not from the jacket of an al-Qaeda suicide bomber, but from within the ranks of the U.S. armed forces. Hasan never saw military combat. No PTSD from deployment there. Suicides were not part of the topic. The incident with Hasan murdering 13 people is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2009 13:30:27 GMT -4
Just saw that he will be charged for murder, good.
This whole horrific incident pushes me to wonder so many things. A few like.....How did he get to the rank of major? Plus, why is there contracted civilian police officers (good job by the way) on the base, the largest base from information. Where's the military police (MP's)?
Another interesting piece of information here.....
Shooting Suspect's Superiors Questioned Behavior
BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE, Associated Press Writers WASHINGTON (AP) - A group of doctors overseeing Nidal Malik Hasan's medical training discussed concerns about his overly zealous religious views and strange behavior months before the Army major was accused of a shooting rampage at Fort Hood.
A group of doctors overseeing Nidal Malik Hasan's medical training discussed concerns about his overly zealous religious views and strange behavior months before the Army major was accused of a shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, that left 13 dead and 29 wounded.
Doctors and staff overseeing Hasan's training viewed him at times as belligerent, defensive and argumentative in his frequent discussions of his Muslim faith, a military official familiar with several group discussions about Hasan said. The official was not authorized to speak publicly about the meetings and spoke on condition of anonymity.
Hasan was characterized in meetings as a mediocre student and lazy worker, a matter of concern among the doctors and staff at Walter Reed Army Medical Center and the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences, a military medical school in Bethesda, Md., the official said.
The concerns about Hasan's performance and religious views were shared with other military officials considering his assignment after he finished his medical training, and the consensus was to send the 39-year-old psychiatrist to Fort Hood, the official said.
Fort Hood, one of the country's largest military installations, was considered the best assignment for Hasan because other doctors could handle the workload if he continued to perform poorly and his superiors could document any continued behavior problems, the official said.
The group saw no evidence that Hasan was violent or a threat. It was more that he repeatedly referred to his strong religious views in discussions with classmates, his superiors and even in his research work, the official said. His behavior, while at times perceived as intense and combative, was not unlike the zeal of others with strong religious views. But some doctors and staff were concerned that their unfamiliarity with the Muslim faith would lead them to unfairly single out Hasan's behavior, the official said.
Some in the group questioned Hasan's sympathies as an Army psychiatrist, whether he would be more aligned with Muslims fighting U.S. troops. And there was some concern about whether he should continue to serve in the military, the official said.
Sharon Willis, a spokeswoman for the Uniformed Services University, referred questions Wednesday about Hasan to his lawyer. The attorney, John Galligan of Belton, Texas, did not immediately return a telephone call seeking comment.
The revelations about the concerns that Hasan's superiors had before sending him to Fort Hood come amid a growing debate over what warning signs the military and law enforcement officials might have missed before last week's massacre.
A joint terrorism task force overseen by the FBI learned late last year of Hasan's repeated contact with a radical Muslim cleric who encouraged Muslims to kill U.S. troops in Iraq. The FBI said in a statement late Wednesday that the task force did not refer early information about Hasan to superiors because it concluded he wasn't linked to terrorism.
The doctors and staff who discussed concerns about Hasan had several group conversations about him that started in early 2008 during regular monthly meetings and ended as he was finishing a fellowship in disaster and preventive psychology this summer, the official familiar with the discussions said.
They saw no signs of mental problems, no risk factors that would predict violent behavior. And the group discussed other factors that suggested Hasan would continue to thrive in the military, factors that mitigated their concerns, the official said.
According to the official, records reviewed by Hasan's superiors described nearly 20 years of military service, including nearly eight years as an enlisted soldier; completion of three rigorous medical school programs, albeit as a student the group characterized in their discussions as mediocre; his resilience after the deaths of his parents early in his medical education, and an otherwise polite and gentle nature when not discussing religion.
The Army has said it has no record of enlisted service for Hasan, instead noting that his military service began when he started the medical school program in 1997.
The official said the group became increasingly concerned about Hasan's religious views after he completed two research projects that took a decidedly religious tone -- one at the end of his residency at Walter Reed that advocated allowing Muslim soldiers to be released as conscientious objectors instead of fighting in wars against other Muslims, and the other as he pursued his master's degree in public health that discussed religious conflicts for Muslim U.S. soldiers.
Some in the group shared their experiences with Hasan, all telling similar stories about repeated instances when he made religion an issue.
Officials involved at various times in the meetings about Hasan included John Bradley, Walter Reed's chief of psychiatry; Scott Moran, Walter Reed's psychiatric residency program director; Robert Ursano, chairman of the Uniformed Services University's psychiatry department; Charles Engel, the university's assistant chair of psychiatry, and David Benedek, an associate professor of psychiatry at the university.
Those officials either declined to comment or did not return telephone calls and e-mails seeking comment Wednesday.
Meanwhile, the Pentagon has found no evidence that Hasan formally sought release from the Army as a conscientious objector or for any other reason, two senior military officials told The Associated Press. Family members have said he wanted to get out of the Army and had sought legal advice, suggesting that Hasan's anxiety as a Muslim over his pending deployment overseas might have been a factor in the deadly rampage.
Hasan had complained privately to colleagues that he was harassed for his religion and that he wanted to get out of the Army. But there is no record of Hasan filing a complaint with his chain of command regarding any harassment he may have suffered for being Muslim or any record of him formally seeking release from the military, the officials told the AP.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the case is under investigation.
Another Army official, Lt. Col. George Wright, said Wednesday that Hasan likely would have had to commit to another year in the military when he was transferred to Fort Hood earlier this summer. It is common for an officer to incur a one-year service extension when they receive a transfer to another post
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 12, 2009 13:40:10 GMT -4
So, someone is not telling the truth because someone in his family had been on the news stating that he had hired a lawyer to try to get out of the service and he offered to pay back the money that was spent on his education.
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Post by funnel101 on Nov 12, 2009 14:12:16 GMT -4
So... from what I'm reading, this sounds more like a Columbine/mass shooting than a terrorist attack. Not that that changes the horridness of what happened, but I do wonder about what it means that our society has so many mass shootings. What's going on? How can we help prevent these murders from happening?
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Post by kl on Nov 12, 2009 14:55:44 GMT -4
Strange, because in your post, you quoted moosie's post, and if you read her post, as well as her link, then yes, suicide is a huge part of this topic. But you would rather focus the attention at this soldier, while others are taking their lives at a very alarming rate. Very sad about your priorities. :-( -Today at 11:06am, moosie wrote: a friend sent me this link. while it in no way excuses what happened at ft. hood, it is yet another reality of the consequences of conflict. as my friend put it: the murders at Ft. Hood are truly the definition of tragedy, but an even bigger tragedy...gets little attention: the accumulated stress our men and women in uniform are being subjected to. Thirteen people died at Ft. Hood, but an average of 10 soldiers there commit suicide every year. When do we begin holding candlelight vigils and memorial services for this reality? www.alternet.org/world/143837/10_....e_brink?pa ge=1 Candlelight vigils and memorial services for them will probably happen about the same time they have them for pregnant women who are murdered by the father of their babies. Hasan never saw combat so his PTSD should be minimal. It is a shame they are now going to declare him mentally ill, giving him an excuse for his jihadist terroristic behavior. The fear in doing this is he might be declared insane, put in a mental institution with no "sentence" and let out when some doctor declares he is "normal". I think when someone gets away with an horrific crime because of mental instability, when they are released from mental institutions, they should go directly to jail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 12, 2009 15:22:44 GMT -4
Strange, because in your post, you quoted moosie's post, and if you read her post, as well as her link, then yes, suicide is a huge part of this topic. But you would rather focus the attention at this soldier, while others are taking their lives at a very alarming rate. Very sad about your priorities. :-( -Today at 11:06am, moosie wrote: a friend sent me this link. while it in no way excuses what happened at ft. hood, it is yet another reality of the consequences of conflict. as my friend put it: the murders at Ft. Hood are truly the definition of tragedy, but an even bigger tragedy...gets little attention: the accumulated stress our men and women in uniform are being subjected to. Thirteen people died at Ft. Hood, but an average of 10 soldiers there commit suicide every year. When do we begin holding candlelight vigils and memorial services for this reality? www.alternet.org/world/143837/10_....e_brink?pa ge=1 Candlelight vigils and memorial services for them will probably happen about the same time they have them for pregnant women who are murdered by the father of their babies. Hasan never saw combat so his PTSD should be minimal. It is a shame they are now going to declare him mentally ill, giving him an excuse for his jihadist terroristic behavior. The fear in doing this is he might be declared insane, put in a mental institution with no "sentence" and let out when some doctor declares he is "normal". I think when someone gets away with an horrific crime because of mental instability, when they are released from mental institutions, they should go directly to jail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The topic is Obama and Ft. Hood. So don't waste your time falsely accusing me of not staying on topic especially when you are not staying on topic. Your main goal as usual is to join the forum and attempt to criticize me. Keep on trying..........Thanks for the smites. Right back at ya!
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 12, 2009 15:36:42 GMT -4
So... from what I'm reading, this sounds more like a Columbine/mass shooting than a terrorist attack. Not that that changes the horridness of what happened, but I do wonder about what it means that our society has so many mass shootings. What's going on? How can we help prevent these murders from happening? Someone can fit both profiles, mass murderer and a jihadist. Just because someone does not fit all of the criteria for a terrorist does not mean they are not a terrorist. Hasan's religion played a big part in what he did and who he was. Just because the typical terrorist does not necessarily display his religion, Hasan was an exception to the rule but that does not disqualify him as a terrorist. The only way to prevent this type of thing from happening is to identify the people with problems and institutionalize/incarcerate them before they strike. The ball was dropped on this guy. How anyone can say that it was okay for him to be in touch with terrorist and there was no need to worry about it is total DENIAL. I suspect lots of people that dropped the ball on this one are going to deny what was obvious.
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Post by hisea on Nov 12, 2009 17:25:49 GMT -4
George Bush had eight years to stop this Islamic Terrorist and did nothing! Besides I heard today that Hasan was a Conservative Muslim and may even have been to a few tea parties!
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 12, 2009 17:33:20 GMT -4
George Bush had eight years to stop this Islamic Terrorist and did nothing! Besides I heard today that Hasan was a Conservative Muslim and may even have been to a few tea parties! If the military was not notified of his involvement with known terrorists, I doubt George Bush was told. If he went to tea parties, he probably had a loaded gun in his pocket ready to go jihadist on the crowd.
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Post by hisea on Nov 12, 2009 17:47:31 GMT -4
Call Hasan what you want, but if it wasn't for the rude behavior of the Conservative Party Mr Hasan would have never felt the need to lash out and hurt fellow soldiers. He was just heading off to console soldiers in Afghanistan when he suddenly had a feeling that he needed to let off some pent-up feelings about fellow Muslims!
Hasan was conflicted, haven't you ever been conflicted?
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 12, 2009 17:51:05 GMT -4
Call Hasan what you want, but if it wasn't for the rude behavior of the Conservative Party Mr Hasan would have never felt the need to lash out and hurt fellow soldiers. He was just heading off to console soldiers in Afghanistan when he suddenly had a feeling that he needed to let off some pent-up feelings about fellow Muslims! Hasan was conflicted, haven't you ever been conflicted? Deep Sea, is that really you posting this afternoon or has someone taken over your computer?
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Post by hisea on Nov 12, 2009 17:55:41 GMT -4
Hasan is a Islamic Terrorist! No other way to put it! I was just trying to act like a Liberal! Its just not me! I say water board the bast---! ;D
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 12, 2009 17:57:44 GMT -4
Hasan is a Islamic Terrorist! No other way to put it! I was just trying to act like a Liberal! Its just not me! I say water board the bast---! ;D Good Thing, you had me worried for a few minutes there. I was thinking , dang all those karma exhalts I have been giving him in the past 2 months, for a minute I was glad someone else has taken them away. Whew! My mom waterboarded me just about everytime she washed my hair in the tub when I was little. I survived.
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Post by harvestmoon on Nov 13, 2009 2:56:56 GMT -4
Sorry, I'm sick of the rationalizations and PC garbage. Mohammed was a pedophile slave owner who lopped off the heads of 700-900 Jews. Would you, or any rational person, sing the praises of such a person? Would you accept a mass murderer pedophile as the prophet of the Lord? If you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend that there is not a cadre of militant extremist moslems hell bent on destroying the U.S. and Israel then you are an ignorant fool, who may not wake up from your comfortable stupor until there is an attack that reaches you or a loved on. I mean really! How many Americans have to die for people to realize? In the past 4-5 months they found extremist Muslims with 4,500 pounds of ammonium nitrate being loaded into a semi in Toronto. There were also a number of thwarted attempts in Texas, and I believe in another U.S. city.
It seems that there is a problem with our inclusive nature. Can we accept peoples/cultures/religions who crave our destruction while smiling through their teeth a message of peace and love? Honestly, what do they offer other than terrorism, bad food, and self segrated communities who isolate from other Americans while viewing assimilation as an evil? The "melting pot" "multicultural" arguments don't pass the test when we have thousands of Americans slaughtered in the name of Jihad.
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 13, 2009 3:13:47 GMT -4
Sorry, I'm sick of the rationalizations and PC garbage. Mohammed was a pedophile slave owner who lopped off the heads of 700-900 Jews. Would you, or any rational person, sing the praises of such a person? Would you accept a mass murderer pedophile as the prophet of the Lord? If you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend that there is not a cadre of militant extremist moslems hell bent on destroying the U.S. and Israel then you are an ignorant fool, who may not wake up from your comfortable stupor until there is an attack that reaches you or a loved on. I mean really! How many Americans have to die for people to realize? In the past 4-5 months they found extremist Muslims with 4,500 pounds of ammonium nitrate being loaded into a semi in Toronto. There were also a number of thwarted attempts in Texas, and I believe in another U.S. city. It seems that there is a problem with our inclusive nature. Can we accept peoples/cultures/religions who crave our destruction while smiling through their teeth a message of peace and love? Honestly, what do they offer other than terrorism, bad food, and self segrated communities who isolate from other Americans while viewing assimilation as an evil? The "melting pot" "multicultural" arguments don't pass the test when we have thousands of Americans slaughtered in the name of Jihad. Some very good and valid points to ponder.
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Post by speedergurl68 on Nov 13, 2009 6:20:49 GMT -4
The problem I have with the "politically correct" bunch...is that they are trying to apply "normal human being" standards to people that just simply are not "normal human beings"....it's like saying, "If we treat this orange with respect and dignity and consider it's growth history and give it enough money and sympathy and try to reason with it, it will become an apple." No. It won't. Ever. There are bad people of every religion, race, color, creed, political affiliation, sexual preference and stature....WHY can't we call them out on it? If they are lunatics...so be it...I do not find myself feeling sympathetic toward someone who murders people and then blames their "childhood", "family life", "medical condition", "religious views", blah blah blah. If you are a murderer, you...are a murderer. If you are a pedophile, you...are a pedophile. If you are a piece of flotsam that is constructed in the shape of a human....I really don't care what your "reasons" are. It really IS that simple. Two words would clear a lot of that CRAP up....PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY. Own your own sh!t.
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Post by einebierbitte on Nov 13, 2009 9:31:21 GMT -4
ditto sg
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Post by Frank on Nov 13, 2009 9:41:35 GMT -4
George Bush had eight years to stop this Islamic Terrorist and did nothing! Besides I heard today that Hasan was a Conservative Muslim and may even have been to a few tea parties! This is George Bush's fault? Bush did nothing to stop terrorism? Is this sarcasm or are you smoking crack? I don't agree with everything Bush did, but I don't believe he did nothing to stop terrorism. Overkill maybe, but he kept us safe. Other countries were all victims of terrorism, but not us. Waterboarding, wiretaps, etc may be looked down upon, but he kept us safe. Blame the military for not acting on the signs. Blame the system for not allowing profiling. Blame the guy at the gun shop. I just can't see how you could blame this on George Bush.
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