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Jul 3, 2010 7:36:50 GMT -4
Post by hisea on Jul 3, 2010 7:36:50 GMT -4
The subject speaks for its self!
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Jul 3, 2010 12:39:57 GMT -4
Post by falgar25 on Jul 3, 2010 12:39:57 GMT -4
I don't remember Obama campaigning on a platform of "the economy sucks and it will continue to suck but it will suck less if I'm elected." Seems to me I remember he was the man with change we could believe in. I believe I'm seeing some of that change and I like it less now than I did 20 months ago.
Just how long does Obama need to make things better? Will we hear how it is only reasonable to expect the recovery to take six years and so we need to reelect him in 2012? If that somehow happens, will we then hear an excuse about how he inherited a bad situation back in 2008 and it is unreasonable to expect any recovery to occur in less than ten years?
The man isn't in office to point out what his predecessor did wrong, he is there to put his own mark on things. He needs to stop talking about how bad things were and start showing how he is making them better.
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Jul 3, 2010 13:02:39 GMT -4
Post by RobMoore on Jul 3, 2010 13:02:39 GMT -4
From "Traffic"
You know, when they forced Khrushchev out, he sat down and wrote two letters to his successor. He said - "When you get yourself into a situation you can't get out of, open the first letter, and you'll be safe. When you get yourself into another situation you can't get out of, open the second letter". Well, soon enough, this guy found himself into a tight place, so he opened the first letter. Which said - "Blame everything on me". So he blames the old man, it worked like a charm. He got himself into a second situation he couldn't get out of, he opened the second letter. It said - "Sit down, and write two letters".
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Jul 3, 2010 13:31:06 GMT -4
Post by bchevy on Jul 3, 2010 13:31:06 GMT -4
I don't remember Obama campaigning on a platform of "the economy sucks and it will continue to suck but it will suck less if I'm elected." Seems to me I remember he was the man with change we could believe in. I believe I'm seeing some of that change and I like it less now than I did 20 months ago. Just how long does Obama need to make things better? Will we hear how it is only reasonable to expect the recovery to take six years and so we need to reelect him in 2012? If that somehow happens, will we then hear an excuse about how he inherited a bad situation back in 2008 and it is unreasonable to expect any recovery to occur in less than ten years? The man isn't in office to point out what his predecessor did wrong, he is there to put his own mark on things. He needs to stop talking about how bad things were and start showing how he is making them better. ditto Ditto DITTOAlso, please quit telling me how the recovery is working, but jobs are lagging in the recovery process. Jobs will LEAD the recovery. People are still out of work, still being furloughed, still not getting a raise, Stores are still cutting back, still closing, it's still bad out there. Don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining. Been there done that.
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Jul 3, 2010 14:25:44 GMT -4
Post by hale80 on Jul 3, 2010 14:25:44 GMT -4
Yes - what he said...^^^
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Jul 3, 2010 17:10:55 GMT -4
Post by harleyd on Jul 3, 2010 17:10:55 GMT -4
I can't believe that some people are still drinking the obama coolaid.
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Jul 3, 2010 18:17:15 GMT -4
Post by midwesterner on Jul 3, 2010 18:17:15 GMT -4
Wow, something else we all seem to agree on!
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Jul 3, 2010 23:43:39 GMT -4
Post by Frank on Jul 3, 2010 23:43:39 GMT -4
Guy got handed a huge mess. Two wars and the worst economic situation in 75 years and people expect him to wave a magic wand and make it all OK in less than two years. Sorry, the real world doesn't work that way. Seriously Bobo, the mess is what got him elected. He wasn't handed a huge mess, he asked for it. He campaigned on "Hope and Change", remember? He had a plan (no specifics of course) to make everything better. Remember making government open and transparent? Or making it impossible for congress to add pork barrel projects, or 5 days for the public to reveiw bills, or no tax increases to middle income families, bringing the troops home, etc, etc? He could talk the talk, but doesn't walk the walk. The world doesn't work that way? Don't promise change if you are not commited to follow through.
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Jul 4, 2010 5:59:57 GMT -4
Post by speedergurl68 on Jul 4, 2010 5:59:57 GMT -4
Well put Frank and all exceptionally true. This is what happens when you hire someone that isn't qualified for the job they are applying for - in the REAL world.....
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Jul 4, 2010 16:46:34 GMT -4
Post by AquaHolic on Jul 4, 2010 16:46:34 GMT -4
Well put Frank and all exceptionally true. This is what happens when you hire someone that isn't qualified for the job they are applying for - in the REAL world..... Cheers to that!
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Jul 4, 2010 19:02:22 GMT -4
Post by funnel101 on Jul 4, 2010 19:02:22 GMT -4
Personally, I'm pretty happy with what he's done so far, overall. I'm looking forward to paying less in the Medicare coverage gap next year.
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Jul 4, 2010 22:09:54 GMT -4
Post by funnel101 on Jul 4, 2010 22:09:54 GMT -4
Personally, I'm pretty happy with what he's done so far, overall. I'm looking forward to paying less in the Medicare coverage gap next year. Prepare to be flamed!! I am prepared.
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Jul 5, 2010 0:22:25 GMT -4
Post by bchevy on Jul 5, 2010 0:22:25 GMT -4
Personally, I'm pretty happy with what he's done so far, overall. I'm looking forward to paying less in the Medicare coverage gap next year. No flame here, just curious. Beside the medicaid you mention, what else has he done?
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Jul 5, 2010 13:49:57 GMT -4
Post by funnel101 on Jul 5, 2010 13:49:57 GMT -4
Personally, I'm pretty happy with what he's done so far, overall. I'm looking forward to paying less in the Medicare coverage gap next year. No flame here, just curious. Beside the medicaid you mention, what else has he done? Medicare, I don't have Medicaid. I'm pleased that "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is being reviewed; he has also put some pressure on Israel to respect Palestinian property rights (not enough pressure in my mind, but more than many politicians in our government); and he seems to be making some strides towards domestic renewable energy sources (again, not enough, but some is better than none). That seems to be my overall view of his presidency so far: some strides forward, but not enough. So, considering I've only been voting since 2000, I'm fairly happy with how he's doing.
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Jul 5, 2010 17:49:27 GMT -4
Post by double on Jul 5, 2010 17:49:27 GMT -4
With all due respect funnell. All he does is talk. He's a soundbite, a 30 second you tube video. He should be changing domestic policy in order to stimulate business, which creates job and tax money organically, vs. Raising any tax at all. Kept talking about pulling the troops out, well then do it. See what happens. Talked about healthcare for everyone, I think he did something not really sure after the cluster that developed. I know my hethcare went thru the roof, cause the insurance companies are on a cash grab before one of the U.S 's biggest industries and employers is getting ready to be turned on their heads, same with the medical industry. All of this to benefit the poorest of citizens. So there has been some change, not 1 being of benefit to your average person. It's the average person that's the engine of America.
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Jul 5, 2010 20:37:31 GMT -4
Post by funnel101 on Jul 5, 2010 20:37:31 GMT -4
I have not yet decided whether I agree with most of the health care bill. I agree with you that it will raise rates for healthy individuals; I see no other way for health care companies to absorb the cost of paying for individuals with medical conditions. What I do like about the bill is what it did for Medicare: namely, that I will only have to pay $800 or so a month next year for my monthly Enbrel when I'm in the coverage gap, instead of the $1600+ I had to pay this year.
Also, I don't believe the "average" person exists. No one is completely average in every way.
I'm hopeful that parts of this bill will help everyone in different ways. Who knows, perhaps with more people having health insurance, there will be fewer epidemics. Maybe H1N1 wouldn't spread as far or as fast with more people having access to affordable health care. Like I said, I'm pretty undecided on the parts of the bill that don't directly affect me.
And talk does matter, especially in diplomatic efforts with other countries. Israel knows Obama's position is different than Bush's was, and they do seem to be paying attention to that. The Iranian people who feel their election was stolen from them, they care that the world talked about it, that Obama talked about it. It's not just talk if it's heard by millions of people. And talking about something is often the first step to concrete action about it; without the talk, there's no action. Would the Civil Rights movement have been so successful, for example, without the oratory prowess of Martin Luther King, Jr.?
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Jul 5, 2010 22:08:24 GMT -4
Post by speedergurl68 on Jul 5, 2010 22:08:24 GMT -4
Please tell me you are not comparing Obama with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.....
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Jul 6, 2010 6:33:21 GMT -4
Post by deputy on Jul 6, 2010 6:33:21 GMT -4
With all due respect funnell. All he does is talk. He's a soundbite, a 30 second you tube video. He should be changing domestic policy in order to stimulate business, which creates job and tax money organically, vs. Raising any tax at all. Kept talking about pulling the troops out, well then do it. See what happens. Talked about healthcare for everyone, I think he did something not really sure after the cluster that developed. I know my hethcare went thru the roof, cause the insurance companies are on a cash grab before one of the U.S 's biggest industries and employers is getting ready to be turned on their heads, same with the medical industry. All of this to benefit the poorest of citizens. So there has been some change, not 1 being of benefit to your average person. It's the average person that's the engine of America. Worth repeating. There are plenty of average people, you just don't hear from them. you hear from the poor, and the sick, the ones who can't or wont work for their check. Anyone getting a gov't check are hooked on the koolaid, they are the one's in the news, and on the street while the rest of us WORK.. Compared to MLK? gmafb, Obama isn't in that league, not even close.
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Jul 6, 2010 8:43:19 GMT -4
Post by Frank on Jul 6, 2010 8:43:19 GMT -4
No flame from me. It's not I don't like Obama, I just don't feel he's the right man for the job. He was elected because of skin color, not qualifications. A white man with the same qualifications and questionable background would never have been considered. Obama is a good speaker and a likeable person, just not presidential IMHO.
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Jul 6, 2010 9:43:51 GMT -4
Post by kl on Jul 6, 2010 9:43:51 GMT -4
I really don't think, whether it's Obama in office, or if McCain was elected we would be doing better. I do believe it's time that we stop blaming the last guy and take ownership of it all. My gripe is all of the repubs screaming about the deficit, but nary a word was uttered as the defict was climbing with GWB jr. Until folks are working again, we are in for a long and troubling recovery.
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Jul 6, 2010 10:32:25 GMT -4
Post by Frank on Jul 6, 2010 10:32:25 GMT -4
You're right. This mess is not going to end soon. But don't campaign on the promise that you can fix it when you can't. Don't promise what you can't deliver! That's where Obama is losing ground. Republicans were criticized and called racists for pointing out the fact he can't do all the things he promised. You know what? They were right. (Janeane Garafalo said if you didn't vote for Obama, you were a racist. Now I see she is criticizing him. How ironic!)
And I would have to differ about Bush's deficit. After 9/11, Bush was my hero. By his second term, he had lost the support of the people, and from a large number of Republicans as well. He seemed to lose sight of the big picture and what was important to the people. That's where Obama is making the same mistake. This country belongs to the people, not the politicians. What the people want should outweigh what the President thinks we should have.
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Jul 6, 2010 11:45:45 GMT -4
Post by funnel101 on Jul 6, 2010 11:45:45 GMT -4
Please tell me you are not comparing Obama with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr..... I wasn't. I was using MLK, Jr. as an example to show how powerful talking can be.
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Jul 6, 2010 12:04:43 GMT -4
Post by grova on Jul 6, 2010 12:04:43 GMT -4
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Jul 6, 2010 12:15:43 GMT -4
Post by kl on Jul 6, 2010 12:15:43 GMT -4
Many promises were made, but it takes everyone involved to help the president keep those promises, from Congress, to the senate, to both parties also. Time to stop pocketing donations, and time to listen to the folks in your states that elected you in the first place.
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Jul 6, 2010 12:31:39 GMT -4
Post by Frank on Jul 6, 2010 12:31:39 GMT -4
Many promises were made, but it takes everyone involved to help the president keep those promises, from Congress, to the senate, to both parties also. Time to stop pocketing donations, and time to listen to the folks in your states that elected you in the first place. How true. At some point, there are so many weeds in the garden, you have to till the soil and start all over!
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