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Jul 6, 2010 15:20:24 GMT -4
Post by deputy on Jul 6, 2010 15:20:24 GMT -4
Please tell me you are not comparing Obama with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr..... I wasn't. I was using MLK, Jr. as an example to show how powerful talking can be. uh... Not very um.... powerful without errrrr..... a teleprompter...
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Jul 6, 2010 15:22:16 GMT -4
Post by deputy on Jul 6, 2010 15:22:16 GMT -4
I wasn't. I was using MLK, Jr. as an example to show how powerful talking can be. uh... Not very um.... powerful without errrrr..... a teleprompter... He had over 30 seconds on ummms in a minute and a half answer after his netanyahoo(sp) meeting...... I guess the prompter wasn't available....
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Jul 6, 2010 15:35:41 GMT -4
Post by grova on Jul 6, 2010 15:35:41 GMT -4
I think this has it beat.
Besides...What difference does it make in governing if you use a teleprompter?
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Jul 6, 2010 16:59:48 GMT -4
Post by speedergurl68 on Jul 6, 2010 16:59:48 GMT -4
Please tell me you are not comparing Obama with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr..... I wasn't. I was using MLK, Jr. as an example to show how powerful talking can be. Thank you for that clarification funnel. And, while I understand what point you were trying to make....I must also point out that, in my opinion, talking, has no power in it whatsoever. I can SAY you are purple...and that will not make you purple. I can talk about the power of purple until the cows come home.....and that will mean and/or accomplish absolutely nothing. I can wear purple, spend money on only purple things and even consume nothing but purple....I could even dye the water we bathe in and make us all "appear" purple.....and it would amount to absolutely nothing more than a lot of strange looking purple tinted people in the same mess we began....with none of us any closer to actually BEING purple and actual "purpleness" being an unrealistic and useless goal that keeps us from accomplishing anything truly valid. There has been entirely too much emphasis on "talking" and not remotely enough emphasis on "walking" ...at least in my humble opinion.
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Jul 6, 2010 19:56:58 GMT -4
Post by bchevy on Jul 6, 2010 19:56:58 GMT -4
I think this has it beat. Besides...What difference does it make in governing if you use a teleprompter? The difference being Bush was never called a great speaker. We hear way too much of how good of a speaker Obama is. He isn't, not without his teleprompter, but in the press that part makes no difference. The only time he doesn't stumble and bumble his way through a speech is when it written in front of him. That's not a great speaker.
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Jul 6, 2010 20:29:03 GMT -4
Post by funnel101 on Jul 6, 2010 20:29:03 GMT -4
I wasn't. I was using MLK, Jr. as an example to show how powerful talking can be. Thank you for that clarification funnel. And, while I understand what point you were trying to make....I must also point out that, in my opinion, talking, has no power in it whatsoever. Ask any GLBT person about their coming out experience and you'll understand the power talking can have. Ask a newly-wed couple why they bothered to exchange vows if talking has no power. Ask the suicidal person who promises a friend, a family member that they won't kill themselves today how powerful talking can be. Ask someone who was raped about when they had the courage to talk to the police about it, and you'll understand the power talking can have. Ask someone who stands up against abuse and tells the abuser NO MORE. Ask someone who lives in a dictatorship such as Iran about the power of free speech. Ask someone who's mute and unable to speak about the power of talking. Talking has immense power. The words we say matter, in more ways than we can possibly imagine.
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Jul 6, 2010 22:25:29 GMT -4
Post by grova on Jul 6, 2010 22:25:29 GMT -4
Well said funnel...I would also add that every famous speech we know today was written and had notes to go with them. Four score, ask not, a date which will live in infamy, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Every one of those speeches were written and they had "cards" or notes to keep them on track. It wasn't about them reading from notes. It was about the words.
I posted a link above. He has done a lot of walking in a short period of time. If McCain had won he would be in the same boat.
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Jul 6, 2010 23:28:50 GMT -4
Post by Water Lady on Jul 6, 2010 23:28:50 GMT -4
Well said funnel...I would also add that every famous speech we know today was written and had notes to go with them. Four score, ask not, a date which will live in infamy, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Every one of those speeches were written and they had "cards" or notes to keep them on track. It wasn't about them reading from notes. It was about the words. I posted a link above. He has done a lot of walking in a short period of time. If McCain had won he would be in the same boat. And for every one of those quotes, there was a significant historical event or outcome. We will see. We are not a world super-power by mistake and if we cease to be one, someone like President Obama will not be able to save us. Debt and Socialism will destroy any government, regardless of it's roots. Europe has even begun to plead with us to remember history and think twice. DEBT has no political persuasion!
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Jul 7, 2010 5:44:53 GMT -4
Post by nightpurse99 on Jul 7, 2010 5:44:53 GMT -4
OBAMA needs to step up to the plate and be HALF the man he campaigned to be.
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Jul 7, 2010 8:18:06 GMT -4
Post by Frank on Jul 7, 2010 8:18:06 GMT -4
If McCain had won he would be in the same boat. Except my children wouldn't be starting out owing the government $43,000 to pay for the 2 trillion dollar shopping spree.
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Jul 7, 2010 11:25:05 GMT -4
Post by hemlock256 on Jul 7, 2010 11:25:05 GMT -4
OBAMA needs to step up to the plate and be HALF the man he campaigned to be. I think Americans would be happy if he was ANY of the man he campaigned to be.....
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Jul 7, 2010 11:46:50 GMT -4
Post by nappydreadz on Jul 7, 2010 11:46:50 GMT -4
Well said funnel...I would also add that every famous speech we know today was written and had notes to go with them. Four score, ask not, a date which will live in infamy, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Every one of those speeches were written and they had "cards" or notes to keep them on track. It wasn't about them reading from notes. It was about the words. I posted a link above. He has done a lot of walking in a short period of time. If McCain had won he would be in the same boat. GROVA FOR PRESIDENT IN 2016!
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Jul 7, 2010 12:11:48 GMT -4
Post by Frank on Jul 7, 2010 12:11:48 GMT -4
GROVA FOR PRESIDENT IN 2016! What happened to 2012?
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Jul 7, 2010 19:59:21 GMT -4
Post by nappydreadz on Jul 7, 2010 19:59:21 GMT -4
Obama!!!!! GROVA FOR PRESIDENT IN 2016! What happened to 2012?
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Jul 7, 2010 21:19:14 GMT -4
Post by hisea on Jul 7, 2010 21:19:14 GMT -4
Its all George Bush's Fault!
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Jul 8, 2010 6:11:30 GMT -4
Post by kl on Jul 8, 2010 6:11:30 GMT -4
Its all George Bush's Fault!
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Jul 9, 2010 11:44:48 GMT -4
Post by grova on Jul 9, 2010 11:44:48 GMT -4
That's one ugly troll.
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Jul 9, 2010 12:03:08 GMT -4
Post by grova on Jul 9, 2010 12:03:08 GMT -4
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Jul 9, 2010 13:13:20 GMT -4
Post by Frank on Jul 9, 2010 13:13:20 GMT -4
Hey Grova. The surplus Clinton had was our money. He wasn't a financial genius. He just taxed the crap out of us! That's why we had a surplus. The Bush tax cuts are getting ready to end and Obama is not going to continue them. I guess he figures he's really not raising taxes, just eliminating the tax cut. Bad President, bad! kentisland.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=tax&action=display&thread=7420
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Jul 12, 2010 20:15:54 GMT -4
Post by grova on Jul 12, 2010 20:15:54 GMT -4
Yes it "was" our money. Now it belongs to the Chinese. So cutting taxes while in TWO wars along with deregulation which leads to economic failure makes sense in your world. Not in mine. During WWII we at least had war bond drives to help pay for our debts. Not tax cuts. Reagan who I actually admire raised taxes during his administration three times to help keep our finances in check. "According to a recent Treasury Department study, Ronald Reagan proposed the largest peacetime tax increase in American history as part of a budget deal to get the federal deficit under control. The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act (TEFRA) of 1982 was signed into law on Sept. 3, and most of its provisions took effect on Jan. 1, 1983". www.forbes.com/2009/02/26/obama-budget-reagan-clinton-bush-opinions-columnists_higher_taxes.htmlSo the argument lately from the GOP is no new taxes, keep the bush way of doing things, vote no on everything and blame Obama on all our problems. I guess they think If they can keep things bad they'll get votes in November. That's not leadership either. Bush passed the first $700 billion stimulus bill. A lot of people complain about these but I think they helped avert a complete meltdown of our banking system. Not a fan of Dubya but he did right on that.
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Jul 13, 2010 9:56:31 GMT -4
Post by Frank on Jul 13, 2010 9:56:31 GMT -4
Let us not forget how much money goes to the middle east. As a country of consumers, not producers, we are reliant on foreign oil to maintain our way of life. Ceasing oil operations in the gulf and refusing to drill in ANWR will make us more dependant on other countries further depleting our cash. Nobody seems to care how we are going to repay our debts.
Arguement from the GOP is no new taxes? Wasn't that Obama's promise if he got elected? Obama and the Democratic house have had 18 months to do whatever they want. The Republicans can only sit back and watch.
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Jul 13, 2010 11:11:25 GMT -4
Post by kl on Jul 13, 2010 11:11:25 GMT -4
And lets not forget, the billions upon billions being spent in both war zones, as well as the billion dollar contracts being awarded to Defense contractors. Republicans don't talk about funding the war. We don't have the money to extend unemployment benefits, but we had 30 billion dollars for the wars this month? The tax cuts in the past several years have benefited the rich, not the middle class or lower income folks.
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Jul 13, 2010 11:30:53 GMT -4
Post by highlander73 on Jul 13, 2010 11:30:53 GMT -4
And lets not forget, the billions upon billions being spent in both war zones, as well as the billion dollar contracts being awarded to Defense contractors. Republicans don't talk about funding the war. We don't have the money to extend unemployment benefits, but we had 30 billion dollars for this month? The tax cuts in the past several years have benefited the rich, not the middle class or lower income folks. Define rich and middle class.
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Jul 13, 2010 11:56:44 GMT -4
Post by RobMoore on Jul 13, 2010 11:56:44 GMT -4
When a politician asks a citizen who makes $30k/year how they define "rich", and then asks them "Do you want me to tax the rich"...that citizen shouldn't be surprised when the person who owns the business paying them that $30k/year can't afford them any longer.
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Jul 13, 2010 14:08:41 GMT -4
Post by Frank on Jul 13, 2010 14:08:41 GMT -4
Just figure where you fit in: From the tax guy on the forumI hope to have a series of weekly updates which will address the various changes in the tax law. Many of these changes are lapses of old tax law (expiring on January 1, 2011) or new taxes due to the new Health Care Law. Personal tax rates will increase for the tax year 2011: - The 10% bracket rises to an expanded 15%
- The 25% bracket rises to 28%
- The 28% bracket rises to 31%
- The 33% bracket rises to 36%
- The 35% bracket rises to 39.6%
Marriage & Family - - Marriage Penalty - narrower tax brackets for married couples
- Child Tax Credit - cut in half from $1000 to $500
- Dependent Care & Adoption tax credits will be cut
- Standard Deduction - no longer doubled for married couples relative to the sing;e level.
Remember, these are tax changes effective for the tax year 2011. Although there are only about 6 months until the start of the 2010 tax filing season, now is the time to start organizing your taxable income items in light of the upcoming tax law changes. Please consult your tax adviser for more information. John J. Cvach, The Tax Guy
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