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Post by jetskibrat on Dec 16, 2012 19:27:00 GMT -4
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dano
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Post by dano on Dec 16, 2012 19:40:04 GMT -4
I can certainly relate to this topic, all to well........
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Post by mrscharms on Dec 16, 2012 22:45:04 GMT -4
I can also relate. It's scary. Nobody really cares. I feel the biggest threat to society are people who are mentally ill and nothing gets done about it. Now look what's happened.
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Post by bluecrabber on Dec 17, 2012 8:54:03 GMT -4
I think most of us can relate.. it seems we are all surrounded by friends or family members who scare us. Mental health issues in this country are an epidemic.
I think this recent tragedy has most of us beyond grief for the families. Anger surpasses grief in my response. Anger at our inability as a society to deal with the root problems. It doesn't matter if it is crime, or the economy. We all know the debate will be about assault weapons and gun control, not the real issue.
Guns are not the problem. The Chinese man who slashed 22 kids at a school in China did not need a gun.
Beyond belief..
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Post by Frank on Dec 17, 2012 13:28:04 GMT -4
Jeffrey Dommer never used a gun. He killed his first victim with a 10lb barbell. Ted Kaczynski didn't use a gun either. He liked mail bombs. Timothy McVeigh used fertilizer and diesel fuel to kill innocent people. And, we all know what box cutters and a plane full of fuel will do.
The truth is the mother knew he was unstable, yet she keeps her guns and ammo unlocked in her home. I put the blame on her.
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Post by alanr on Dec 17, 2012 14:04:27 GMT -4
As much as I hate to respond to this I do believe that with strict gun control we will have more crime. I have had a carry permit for over 30 years, but never have I carried a weapon outside why, I saw no need to. When I got my permit I had a reason to carry but then again I only carried it in the course of my business and then only around holidays within my business. This is not to say that if someone broke into my home I wouldn't do what I had to, to make sure that person didn't walk out. It's a shame what happened but part of the blame has to go towards his mother. Rule one. Never leave a gun in your house where someone could get to it easy and with kids always have a trigger lock on it, and hide it but make it easy to get to if needed. Look at the states that allow you to carry, crime is down, home invasions are nil. Knowing that everyone could carry or own a gun you would have to be nuts to break into someones place of residence or business. With tighter gun control only the slime will have guns allowing the law breakers to do what they do now, break the law. We need to be harder on crime, bring back the needle in every state or better yet the chair. One last thing televise it. People will then think twice before they harm someone. The courts are to easy on crime.
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Post by jetskibrat on Dec 17, 2012 16:54:44 GMT -4
I agree with alanr bring back the needle or chair I think but not sure I read that maybe???China if you are bad, cause harm you get fingers etc cut off, no if ands or buts?? people here say oh well I go to jail and have 3 meals bed and roof I think that should stop!!! if you cause harm to someone kiss your butt goodbye no second, 3rd chances no jail time. just my 2 cents.....
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Post by Frank on Dec 17, 2012 17:12:05 GMT -4
I agree with alanr bring back the needle or chair I think but not sure I read that maybe???China if you are bad, cause harm you get fingers etc cut off, no if ands or buts?? people here say oh well I go to jail and have 3 meals bed and roof I think that should stop!!! if you cause harm to someone kiss your butt goodbye no second, 3rd chances no jail time. just my 2 cents..... And it needs to be done in a timely manner, not 25 years later. Guess what? You have 30 days to say your good-byes, tie up your affairs, and prepare for the end.
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Post by jetskibrat on Dec 17, 2012 17:16:23 GMT -4
absolutely Frank....dont drag it out.
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Post by tomc on Dec 18, 2012 9:36:23 GMT -4
Yeah. 30 days... That would have worked out real well for Kirk Bloodsworth and the hundreds of others that have been released after being found wrongfully convicted.
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Post by jetskibrat on Dec 18, 2012 12:59:04 GMT -4
tomc unfortunalty it happens what about our soliders dying from friendly fire?? its life even though its not "fair" or children killed by gunfire not meant for them i could go on and on!!
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Post by tomc on Dec 18, 2012 13:09:48 GMT -4
tomc unfortunalty it happens what about our soliders dying from friendly fire?? its life even though its not "fair" or children killed by gunfire not meant for them i could go on and on!! So it's OK by you that innocent people are murdered by the Government? Seriously. WTF? Soldiers killed by innocent fire, kids getting hit by gunfire not meant for them have absolutely NOTHING to do with the state sanctioned killing of wrongly accused and tried.
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Post by jetskibrat on Dec 18, 2012 13:23:41 GMT -4
tomc please dont rant at me its life its not always fair I did not say its ok with me. just chill out things happen in life that are wrong.
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Post by tomc on Dec 18, 2012 14:05:37 GMT -4
tomc please dont rant at me its life its not always fair I did not say its ok with me. just chill out things happen in life that are wrong. I wonder how that thought process might change if it were YOU sitting on death row awaiting execution for a crime you didn't commit?
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Post by jetskibrat on Dec 18, 2012 14:27:22 GMT -4
it would be terrifying but I try not to worry about tomorrow it might not come. many many things I do not have ANY control over and I accept that. its LIFE.
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Post by freefallin on Dec 18, 2012 22:59:39 GMT -4
tomc So it's OK by you that innocent people are murdered by the Government? Seriously. WTF? Tom, Tom, Tom! The Government doesn't kill people, they save lives. Why I just saw an interesting article put out by the National Highway Traffic...blah, blah, blah, Association that Enhanced Stability Control (ESC) they required in all automobiles has saved hundreds of lives. It was all at the mere cost of billions. Government is here to save us Tom, to save us from our reckless free willing selves, not kill us....
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Post by Frank on Dec 19, 2012 9:09:02 GMT -4
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Post by RobMoore on Dec 19, 2012 15:54:16 GMT -4
Putting to death wrongfully accused men still happened before DNA testing and it still happens, even with a long appeals process.
I'm not convinced that all of the people acquitted with DNA testing were actually innocent. I think the standards simply changed over the years they were in prison, and the state couldn't meet the guilty standard when rechallenged.
That said, I am not opposed to the long appeals process. Two of the biggest arguments for short term are
1: Money. When we slash our budgets to get rid of all the more wasteful things than housing a few dozen prisoners per state for 20 years, we can review shortening the appeals process.
2: Victim's Family getting closure: Their hardship may be greater than anything I've experienced, but learning how to overcome it without relying on the death of the perpetrator is healthier in the long run.
I believe the protection of the innocent trumps any expedience in the prosecution of the guilty.
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