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Post by deepsea on Jun 28, 2015 10:23:51 GMT -4
I'm not too surprised by some of your racist comments. Blacks make up <3% of Kent Island's population after all. Nevertheless, my family & I will thank the Lord for the more loving rhetoric coming out of Charleston where blacks & whites have been brought together by the shed blood of 9 saints who met their Maker while worshipping Him! God bless them! I hope you confederate flag-o-philes find a good Emanuel AME church type service to attend this weekend to sweeten your souls up a wee bit. Just leave your guns at home. Have a blessed weekend. I see that you feel the need to be racist by calling everyone who doesn't see the flag issue your way! Typical progressive liberal,you don't want it so no one else can have it! Sorry for your stick in the mud stance but I forgive you! If you ban a flag what do you what to ban next? The list will be endless. Liberals find offense with just about every item that they don't understand or don't like! That flag never hurt anyone sure it might of stood for slavery at one time but the south lost the war. Its part of American History good bad or indifferent! I want abortions banned! I don't believe in the killing of innocent children! How could anyone kill a child? but it happens hundreds of time every day. I want you to stop using the name matapeaker because I find it offensive! My father was part native American! So please change your name to "Off RT8". Most people could have given a crap about the flag until they decide to try and ban it. Just saying. Just a little more freedom being taken away one snip at a time. You and your Family have blessed weekend.
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Post by kidoode on Jun 28, 2015 13:33:10 GMT -4
The issue isn't whether to ban a flag, its whether governments should fly it from government buildings. Individuals can do what they want, Stars and Bars, Nazi, Isis, whatever. Tells the rest of us important things about them as individuals.
When a flag associated with hate and oppression is flown from government buildings as an "official" symbol of the government, that's an whole different story. You want your taxes supporting such a thing? Not me, nope.
Ya'll are making a lot more of this than there is. You want to express yourself in ways that offend others, you are absolutely free to do so. Governments have to hew to higher standards.
Doode
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Post by ravens20 on Jun 28, 2015 21:30:21 GMT -4
The issue isn't whether to ban a flag, its whether governments should fly it from government buildings. Individuals can do what they want, Stars and Bars, Nazi, Isis, whatever. Tells the rest of us important things about them as individuals. When a flag associated with hate and oppression is flown from government buildings as an "official" symbol of the government, that's an whole different story. You want your taxes supporting such a thing? Not me, nope. Ya'll are making a lot more of this than there is. You want to express yourself in ways that offend others, you are absolutely free to do so. Governments have to hew to higher standards. Doode Agreed
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Post by deepsea on Jun 29, 2015 0:25:33 GMT -4
I agree not over government building. The state and federal government use our tax dollars to support allow all manner of issues and projects that I don't support. The Government does not have a higher standard!
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Post by RobMoore on Jun 29, 2015 8:07:08 GMT -4
The issue of private display is not even debatable, but OP and others still think it is. It's called freedom of speech.
Now, the issue of state sponsored display is an issue, and should be addressed at the state level. I don't agree with its use, but that is for the citizens of those states to decide.
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Post by matapeaker on Jun 29, 2015 21:25:24 GMT -4
Amen, kidoode, that's what I should've written. I was tired & posted my emotions too quickly w/o covering these points. I see the flag on private cars, homes, clothing many places & don't sweat about it b/c it's free speech; but in tax-funded govt settings, it's offensive I misspoke
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Post by yachtjim on Jun 29, 2015 22:00:31 GMT -4
It should have been outlawed after the Civil War or after Lincoln was assassinated. its a symbol of KKK hatred & divides Americans. "Do all that you can to live in peace with everyone." Romans 12:15 I think you really have to be a racist for a symbol like is flag to make you see color. I am not a racist and I personally do not associate this flag with skin color. So please take your racism and go home. Try to look past skin color and try to stop dividing people with pushing your beliefs onto others.
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Post by matapeaker on Jun 30, 2015 0:08:50 GMT -4
Me & my racism just got home from a grueling 16 hour work shift, yachtjim. But before I crash, brother, just wanted to say that our Island...our country...black, white, etc...needs to be united now more than ever on the important things in life: preparing for the return of Jesus, solidarity, love, fellowship, peace, patriotism, passing on right values to the next generation, etc. Petty pissing & spitting into the winds of change is futile. Things are changing. Isis & other terrorist cells around our nation are thrilled with all this civil unrest fouling up the blogosphere, masking their homicidal endeavors as they sneak about preparing a July 4th surprise.
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Post by puddintane on Jun 30, 2015 0:27:34 GMT -4
You want to express yourself in ways that offend others, you are absolutely free to do so. Governments have to hew to higher standards. Well, they don't HAVE to, apparently, so I wouldn't get too high up on that horse. There are plenty of citizens whose religious and/or moral views are offended by the idea of gay marriage, yet the White House saw fit to put on the following celebratory display: Many Civil War battlefields are "tax-funded govt settings," and I can't see how anyone could reasonably expect not to see a flag there. So do you begin to see the issue? "It's OK here, but not there." "It's OK only where I like it to be OK." "It's OK as long as nobody gets upset." Someone is ALWAYS going to get upset, whether it's a flag or a street name or rainbow colored lights. It just seems to me that there are serious, scary issues that matter far more than someone's knickers being in a twist because they're "offended" by something. Would that we were all adult enough to stop taking offense when none is intended, but rather to pay serious attention when serious crimes are being committed. The Charleston shooter committed heinous crimes which should have the ultimate punishment, but him holding a flag in some photo is not one of them.
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Post by RobMoore on Jun 30, 2015 4:21:27 GMT -4
If you're offended by something someone else is allowed to do, and it's a right you yourself also have, you're being selfish.
The idea of marriage was around before the Christ and the bible. You don't have the patent on it. Get over yourselves and let other people be happy in their lives. Gay marriage doesn't affect you, so stop playing the victim.
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Post by matapeaker on Jun 30, 2015 12:13:57 GMT -4
What you're referring to is discussed by Jesus' Mt. Olivet (Matthew 24) End Times scenario of social decay preceding the last trumpet: immorality, abandonment of decent values, race wars, fighting everywhere, weather upheaval, terrorism, etc. My clergy have been preaching on this a lot (listen to Dr. Michael Brown 780 AM afternoons)...God acknowledges marriage between a man & a woman (other combinations reek of depravity which is why we must toss salt into the crab pot on websites like this when we can.) One of my favorite presidential candidates, Dr. Carson, has eloquently discussed the recent Supreme Court (although you've strayed from confederacy issues & maybe a new thread could be opened if you have time--I'm too busy @ work right now to right more). Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson says he is disappointed with the Supreme Court’s decision to make gay marriage legal in all 50 states, but acknowledged that the “ruling is now the law of the land.” “While I strongly disagree with the Supreme Court’s decision, their ruling is now the law of the land,” he said. Carson expressed concern about the religious liberty of Christians who believe in traditional marriage. “I call on Congress to make sure deeply held religious views are respected and protected,” he said. “The government must never force Christians to violate their religious beliefs.” Amen, Ben. St. Paul captured today's milieu in Romans 1 26-27 Worse followed. Refusing to know God, they soon didn’t know how to be human either—women didn’t know how to be women, men didn’t know how to be men. Sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men—all lust, no love. And then they paid for it, oh, how they paid for it—emptied of God and love, godless and loveless wretches. 28-32 Since they didn’t bother to acknowledge God, God quit bothering them and let them run loose. And then all hell broke loose: rampant evil, grabbing and grasping, vicious backstabbing. They made life hell on earth with their envy, wanton killing, bickering, and cheating. Look at them: mean-spirited, venomous, fork-tongued God-bashers. Bullies, swaggerers, insufferable windbags! They keep inventing new ways of wrecking lives. They ditch their parents when they get in the way. Stupid, slimy, cruel, cold-blooded. And it’s not as if they don’t know better. They know perfectly well they’re spitting in God’s face. And they don’t care—worse, they hand out prizes to those who do the worst things best!
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Post by ravens20 on Jun 30, 2015 12:35:32 GMT -4
RobMoore, What you're referring to is discussed by Jesus' Mt. Olivet (Matthew 24) End Times scenario of social decay preceding the last trumpet: immorality, abandonment of decent values, race wars, fighting everywhere, weather upheaval, terrorism, etc. My clergy preaches what you're saying...God acknowledges marriage between a man & a woman (other combinations reek of depravity which is why we must toss salt into the crab pot like you wisely did & I thank you for this, sir, or should I say Reverend Rob?) One of my favorite presidential candidates, Dr. Carson, has eloquently discussed the recent Supreme Court (although you've strayed from confederacy issues & maybe a new thread could be opened if you have time--I'm too busy @ work right now to right more). Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson says he is disappointed with the Supreme Court’s decision to make gay marriage legal in all 50 states, but acknowledged that the “ruling is now the law of the land.” “While I strongly disagree with the Supreme Court’s decision, their ruling is now the law of the land,” he said. Carson expressed concern about the religious liberty of Christians who believe in traditional marriage. “I call on Congress to make sure deeply held religious views are respected and protected,” he said. “The government must never force Christians to violate their religious beliefs.” Amen, Ben. St. Paul captured today's milieu in Romans 1 26-27 Worse followed. Refusing to know God, they soon didn’t know how to be human either—women didn’t know how to be women, men didn’t know how to be men. Sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men—all lust, no love. And then they paid for it, oh, how they paid for it—emptied of God and love, godless and loveless wretches. 28-32 Since they didn’t bother to acknowledge God, God quit bothering them and let them run loose. And then all hell broke loose: rampant evil, grabbing and grasping, vicious backstabbing. They made life hell on earth with their envy, wanton killing, bickering, and cheating. Look at them: mean-spirited, venomous, fork-tongued God-bashers. Bullies, swaggerers, insufferable windbags! They keep inventing new ways of wrecking lives. They ditch their parents when they get in the way. Stupid, slimy, cruel, cold-blooded. And it’s not as if they don’t know better. They know perfectly well they’re spitting in God’s face. And they don’t care—worse, they hand out prizes to those who do the worst things best! We don't live in a theocracy (Thank FSM) so what your 2000 year old book says is irrelevant. Not everyone shares your twisted bronze age values.
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Post by kiloversteve on Jun 30, 2015 12:58:48 GMT -4
RobMoore, What you're referring to is discussed by Jesus' Mt. Olivet (Matthew 24) End Times scenario of social decay preceding the last trumpet: immorality, abandonment of decent values, race wars, fighting everywhere, weather upheaval, terrorism, etc. My clergy preaches what you're saying...God acknowledges marriage between a man & a woman (other combinations reek of depravity which is why we must toss salt into the crab pot like you wisely did & I thank you for this, sir, or should I say Reverend Rob?) One of my favorite presidential candidates, Dr. Carson, has eloquently discussed the recent Supreme Court (although you've strayed from confederacy issues & maybe a new thread could be opened if you have time--I'm too busy @ work right now to right more). Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson says he is disappointed with the Supreme Court’s decision to make gay marriage legal in all 50 states, but acknowledged that the “ruling is now the law of the land.” “While I strongly disagree with the Supreme Court’s decision, their ruling is now the law of the land,” he said. Carson expressed concern about the religious liberty of Christians who believe in traditional marriage. “I call on Congress to make sure deeply held religious views are respected and protected,” he said. “The government must never force Christians to violate their religious beliefs.” Amen, Ben. St. Paul captured today's milieu in Romans 1 26-27 Worse followed. Refusing to know God, they soon didn’t know how to be human either—women didn’t know how to be women, men didn’t know how to be men. Sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men—all lust, no love. And then they paid for it, oh, how they paid for it—emptied of God and love, godless and loveless wretches. 28-32 Since they didn’t bother to acknowledge God, God quit bothering them and let them run loose. And then all hell broke loose: rampant evil, grabbing and grasping, vicious backstabbing. They made life hell on earth with their envy, wanton killing, bickering, and cheating. Look at them: mean-spirited, venomous, fork-tongued God-bashers. Bullies, swaggerers, insufferable windbags! They keep inventing new ways of wrecking lives. They ditch their parents when they get in the way. Stupid, slimy, cruel, cold-blooded. And it’s not as if they don’t know better. They know perfectly well they’re spitting in God’s face. And they don’t care—worse, they hand out prizes to those who do the worst things best! James 2:8: If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right.
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Post by KITransplant on Jun 30, 2015 13:29:27 GMT -4
We've all got a religion. Some make money or pleasure their god. I'll take the religion with the 2000 year old book. Relevant then, relevant today more than ever.
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Post by matapeaker on Jun 30, 2015 13:37:47 GMT -4
God is Love, yes, but Scripture mentions His holiness more. Only Marriage between men & women is sanctified by God. Any other "state sanctioned" marriage between same sex or man& animal or man & his doll, etc. is un-holy & cursed. I might be "liberal" some ways but very conservative other ways. If I could somehow shimmy my oversized frame up a flagpole to yank down a rainbow flag, I would. This land is crying out from the evil being defecated upon His holy Word. "Holy, holy, holy, the whole earth is filled with His Glory." Isaiah 6:4
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Post by ravens20 on Jun 30, 2015 13:45:00 GMT -4
We've all got a religion. Some make money or pleasure their god. I'll take the religion with the 2000 year old book. Relevant then, relevant today more than ever.
Good for you, as long as you keep it to yourself and out of Government I couldn't care less. I, personally, don't find a 2000 year old book full of debunked fairy tales relevant today. There may be some good lessons, but those lessons can be found elsewhere as well. If you notice the person that I was responding to is clearly a fundy that's gone off the deep end. No original thoughts, just quoting scripture that has no relevance to a modern secular society.
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Post by KITransplant on Jun 30, 2015 13:51:35 GMT -4
We've all got a religion. Some make money or pleasure their god. I'll take the religion with the 2000 year old book. Relevant then, relevant today more than ever.
Good for you, as long as you keep it to yourself and out of Government I couldn't care less. I, personally, don't find a 2000 year old book full of debunked fairy tales relevant today. There may be some good lessons, but those lessons can be found elsewhere as well. Sorry. Not happening. Everyone imposes their "morality." The current "morality" is a mess.
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Post by ravens20 on Jun 30, 2015 13:56:49 GMT -4
Good for you, as long as you keep it to yourself and out of Government I couldn't care less. I, personally, don't find a 2000 year old book full of debunked fairy tales relevant today. There may be some good lessons, but those lessons can be found elsewhere as well. Sorry. Not happening. Everyone imposes their "morality." The current "morality" is a mess. Actually, it is happening, and the current morality is fine. Thank you Supreme Court.
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Post by RobMoore on Jun 30, 2015 14:52:13 GMT -4
Catholic churches are not forced to marry couples that aren't catholic enough to qualify. I see no reason to fear that they would be forced to marry gay couples.
Keep in mind this is not the same as a bakery business being able to discriminate in which customers it does and does not serve.
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Post by ravens20 on Jun 30, 2015 15:05:43 GMT -4
Catholic churches are not forced to marry couples that aren't catholic enough to qualify. I see no reason to fear that they would be forced to marry gay couples. Keep in mind this is not the same as a bakery business being able to discriminate in which customers it does and does not serve. Exactly.
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Post by puddintane on Jun 30, 2015 16:23:56 GMT -4
...debunked fairy tales... scripture that has no relevance to a modern secular society. LOL -- wow. As was said earlier about observing someone with a flag, this sure tells anyone reading it what sort of person they're dealing with, doesn't it? If you truly believe that millions of people over thousands of years have come up with not one single thing that some smart modern in today's secular society could possibly benefit from... well, my, aren't you the smart one. No wonder "modern secular society" wishes to erase history. What a colossal waste of time, right? What could anyone possibly learn from the past?
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Post by ravens20 on Jun 30, 2015 17:00:21 GMT -4
...debunked fairy tales... scripture that has no relevance to a modern secular society. LOL -- wow. As was said earlier about observing someone with a flag, this sure tells anyone reading it what sort of person they're dealing with, doesn't it? If you truly believe that millions of people over thousands of years have come up with not one single thing that some smart modern in today's secular society could possibly benefit from... well, my, aren't you the smart one. No wonder "modern secular society" wishes to erase history. What a colossal waste of time, right? What could anyone possibly learn from the past? I like how you take two separate quotes, put them together, and then argue against something that I never said. Let me help you. The bible is full of debunked myths that people once believed to be true, and some still do. This is not even debatable. The global flood, Adam and Eve, creation in Genesis, Exodus, etc... These are all myths. As I already said, there are good moral lessons in the bible. There's also some pretty terrible stuff in the bible too, and people like matapeaker use it to project their bigotry and hatred while hypocritically preaching love and tolerance. That is not relevant in a modern secular society. You don't need the bible to be a good moral person. In fact, I'd be wary of someone that truly believes that they need the bible in order to be a good person. Practice what you preach. Love your neighbor, don't discriminate against someone because you don't approve of what they do in the privacy of their own home. Luckily for us most Christians are pretty good at cherry picking the good things from the bible while ignoring the bad stuff. Unfortunately the fundies have a tendency to be louder than the moderates.
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Post by matapeaker on Jul 2, 2015 1:03:09 GMT -4
I think some of the posters on this site must truly be spiritually seeking to have veered so from the original topic to delve into faith issues. There's a God shaped vacuum within all of us that's too compelling to resist to paraphrase French Mathematician Pascal. You might want to check out website CARM (Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry) or better yet, pick up the good book. If you need one, stop by Union Wesley United Methodist in Chester or call the pastor (643-5881). The Christian bashing, Bible burning rhetoric posted here isn't surprising in today's culturally decaying world but it's just as sickening as the confederate flag hanging in govt-sponsored places. We'll have to agree to disagree on these important topics. My thoughts & prayers go out to the survivors of those nine African American "Fundies" who died while conducting their "fairy tale" study. Go bash them some more, they can't hurt you (& they wouldn't if they were still here) but their blood will cry out to their "make believe" Heavenly Creator. Maybe you can go burn their blood-stained Bibles instead. For shame.
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Post by ravens20 on Jul 2, 2015 1:44:21 GMT -4
I think some of the posters on this site must truly be spiritually seeking to have veered so from the original topic to delve into faith issues. There's a God shaped vacuum within all of us that's too compelling to resist to paraphrase French Mathematician Pascal. You might want to check out website CARM (Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry) or better yet, pick up the good book. If you need one, stop by Union Wesley United Methodist in Chester or call the pastor (643-5881). The Christian bashing, Bible burning rhetoric posted here isn't surprising in today's culturally decaying world but it's just as sickening as the confederate flag hanging in govt-sponsored places. We'll have to agree to disagree on these important topics. My thoughts & prayers go out to the survivors of those nine African American "Fundies" who died while conducting their "fairy tale" study. Go bash them some more, they can't hurt you (& they wouldn't if they were still here) but their blood will cry out to their "make believe" Heavenly Creator. Maybe you can go burn their blood-stained Bibles instead. For shame. Edit - Not worth the lengthy reply, rational people will see your post for what it is, no need for me to address the multiple strawmen. I would suggest removing the name of your church, you are representing them rather poorly. Btw, fake Internet points seem to be important to you so I just gave you a ton of karma, I would've given you more but I got tired of clicking. Back on topic, maybe we should discuss what your "good book" says about slavery?
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Post by matapeaker on Jul 6, 2015 15:56:04 GMT -4
Hope you all had a blessed 4th of July weekend sheltered safe in His arms.
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