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Post by leego46 on Jul 17, 2016 9:38:17 GMT -4
I have had three Trump signs stolen this week. A message to the thieves. I have many more and I will catch your thieving asses.
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Post by constructr on Jul 18, 2016 6:51:22 GMT -4
The anti-trump folks don't have anything better to do then steal and create violence. It's all they know.
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Post by deepsea on Jul 18, 2016 8:11:12 GMT -4
I have had three Trump signs stolen this week. A message to the thieves. I have many more and I will catch your thieving asses. This Guy
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Post by kidoode on Jul 18, 2016 9:20:24 GMT -4
Responsible Republicans trying desparately to save the GOP from the crazies.
Too late, you reap what you sow.
Doode.
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Post by Frank on Jul 18, 2016 12:32:26 GMT -4
Responsible Republicans trying desparately to save the GOP from the crazies. Too late, you reap what you sow. Doode. Stealing signs makes you a 'responsible Republican'? Sounds pretty irresponsible to me, or more like a thief.
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Post by kidoode on Jul 18, 2016 12:47:42 GMT -4
Given the number of people that the Donald has screwed in his business career, thief fits him pretty well.
You get what you give.
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Post by deepsea on Jul 18, 2016 13:12:48 GMT -4
Given the number of people that the Donald has screwed in his business career, thief fits him pretty well. You get what you give. I totally agree with you. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by constructr on Jul 18, 2016 14:18:16 GMT -4
Given the number of people that the Donald has screwed in his business career, thief fits him pretty well. You get what you give. And Hillary is just such an angel, isn't she?? I'm surprised anyone has the guts to stand next to her for more than 5 seconds. The likelyhood of getting struck by lightening is quite high.
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Post by kidoode on Jul 18, 2016 15:00:13 GMT -4
Didn't say anything about Hillary. The Donald is such an odious figure, that there is just no comparison. Maybe with Satan, but thats a mythical figure, just like the image that the Donald wants you to believe.
Don't underestimate a woman with two sets of balls though. Her own big brass ones, and the pair she shatched off Bill when she found out about Monica. Old fella hasn't been the same since.
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Post by kidoode on Jul 18, 2016 15:05:01 GMT -4
Given the number of people that the Donald has screwed in his business career, thief fits him pretty well. You get what you give. I totally agree with you. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Are you channeling Pete Richter? You are just about a crazy as he was to infer any type of threat of harm to anyone. Whatta dumb bass.
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Post by deepsea on Jul 18, 2016 19:04:10 GMT -4
I totally agree with you. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Are you channeling Pete Richter? You are just about a crazy as he was to infer any type of threat of harm to anyone. Whatta dumb bass. That was no threat? ?? Just a picture of family guy dog after he was hit by a car. The real threat was made by you when you said you have weapons and know how to use them. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA What a punk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by constructr on Jul 18, 2016 21:07:04 GMT -4
Didn't say anything about Hillary. The Donald is such an odious figure, that there is just no comparison. Maybe with Satan, but thats a mythical figure, just like the image that the Donald wants you to believe. Don't underestimate a woman with two sets of balls though. Her own big brass ones, and the pair she shatched off Bill when she found out about Monica. Old fella hasn't been the same since. You've obviously had too much of the kool aid............
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Post by Frank on Jul 19, 2016 8:28:53 GMT -4
Given the number of people that the Donald has screwed in his business career, thief fits him pretty well. You get what you give. Seriously? You do understand Donald Trump is not stealing the signs?
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Post by kidoode on Jul 19, 2016 9:15:23 GMT -4
Of course he isn't stealing the signs. Sheesch.
Point is, when you enrich yourself by stealing from others as has been documented in the case of your hero, you shouldn't complain when others steal from you.
Get it?
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Post by constructr on Jul 19, 2016 13:35:02 GMT -4
Specifically, what has Trump "stolen" ?
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Post by by by by on Jul 19, 2016 13:48:24 GMT -4
He has stolen the income and lives of those in the wake of his bankruptcies......he failed to pay millions of dollars to workers who got stiffed while he prospered. No morals, just following the law, he says. What a great man.
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Post by Frank on Jul 19, 2016 14:25:06 GMT -4
He has stolen the income and lives of those in the wake of his bankruptcies......he failed to pay millions of dollars to workers who got stiffed while he prospered. No morals, just following the law, he says. What a great man. Technically, I don't think that is what 'stolen' means. 'Stolen' is like when someone takes the furniture from the White House when your husband is no longer president. It was paid for by the taxpayers, and stolen by the tenants.
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Post by constructr on Jul 20, 2016 12:46:02 GMT -4
He has stolen the income and lives of those in the wake of his bankruptcies......he failed to pay millions of dollars to workers who got stiffed while he prospered. No morals, just following the law, he says. What a great man. Technically, I don't think that is what 'stolen' means. 'Stolen' is like when someone takes the furniture from the White House when your husband is no longer president. It was paid for by the taxpayers, and stolen by the tenants. I said, SPECIFICALLY. You can't. You sound like your lying savior Hillary. Keep chugging that Kool-Aid. I can tell you about four dead Americans who were killed because Hillary failed her duty.
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Post by alanr on Jul 20, 2016 19:18:59 GMT -4
The good and bad of Donald Trump, the businessman
Rick Newman July 20, 2016 By Rick Newman
He’s a billionaire whose companies have gone bust an unusual number of times. What should we make of Donald Trump’s business record now that he’s the official Republican nominee for president?
Trump’s mercurial, polarizing and contradictory temperament has obviously roiled this year’s presidential race. He equates himself with class and luxury, while slamming opponents with crude and bawdy putdowns. He orchestrates vast amounts of media coverage, while using it to alienate more people than he inspires. And the five-star reputation he cultivates for his real-estate empire is marred largely by Trump’s own failings and diversions into tawdry ventures he would have been better off avoiding.
Yahoo Finance has been covering Trump’s business dealings in detail during the campaign, and we hereby offer this handy guide to his talents and foibles. Trump is a better businessman than critics like to acknowledge, with determination and promotional gifts just about any business owner would envy. But his failures have raised a lot of legitimate questions about his judgment and priorities. In the end, voters will be making a leap of faith if they think Trump can replicate his business success as a political leader.
THE GOOD
He knows how to make money. He does now, anyway. Trump was born rich, with his father, Fred Trump, starting a successful real-estate business that was already worth millions when Donald Trump went to work there in 1974. That business became the Trump Organization, which Donald Trump is chairman of today. At first, Trump continued the fairly conservative residential projects that made Fred Trump rich. In the 1980s, he branched out into commercial property, hotels and casinos, financing much of it with high-interest junk bonds. Excessive leverage led to his first two casino bankruptcies in the early 1990s, which cost Trump much of his personal fortune. Those failures taught Trump how to make better deals by selecting better projects and putting more of the financial risk on others.
Today, Trump is out of the casino business, and the buildings he does own account for the majority of his wealth, according to a recent Bloomberg analysis. He also earns significant income from licensing his name to projects managed by others, a less risky and more reliable way to make money than bearing all the risk of constructing, financing and marketing a project.
Shrewd use of debt. Trump has become a master at using other people’s money (usually banks’) to invest in projects and, if all goes well, enrich himself. Political critics think that’s exploitative, but in business deals, the burden is on the lenders to make sure they’re going to get their money back and make a profit. If lenders take bad risks and lose their money, they have only themselves to blame, provided no fraud is involved. There were times when Trump struggled to get financing and had to make major concessions. But he stayed in business and did whatever was necessary to raise money, a hurdle many business owners are unable to surmount.
Drive. Trump’s four casino bankruptcies (the other two were in 2004 and 2009) have badly tarnished his business record, but many many people would give up after a couple major failures and go work for somebody else. Trump never did. And while some of his deals have been losers, Trump never stopped making deals either. It’s easy to overlook persistence, but compare Trump with an actual recent president — George W. Bush, who struggled as an oilman in Texas despite a Harvard Business School degree and a list of gold-plated connections. Bush bailed out of the oil business after more than a decade of running companies that didn’t make it — his firm finally bought out by a bigger competitor on favorable terms many critics attributed to Bush’s famous family (his father was vice president at the time). The proceeds from that deal allowed Bush to enter a completely different business, as one of the owners of the Texas Rangers baseball team, which also drew criticism for favorable terms Bush enjoyed.
He’s a promotional genius. Trump is the P.T. Barnum of our time, something his detractors seem to think is a bad thing. But most businesses would kill for Trump’s ability to sell. He has consistently found ways to generate mammoth amounts of publicity — through his sponsorship of boxing matches and beauty pageants, his starring role on “The Apprentice,” thousands of media appearances commenting on practically anything and his use of social media to draw attention to himself. Narcissistic? Probably. But the Trump brand, love it or hate it, now commands multimillion-dollar fees from other companies that want to license it, a rarefied accomplishment in a world awash with brands.
He tries new things. Another knock on Trump is the failure of certain products, such as Trump Vodka, Trump Steaks, Trump Mortgage and Trump Magazine. But businesses also get dinged when they don’t try new things and stick with the same formula way too long, often becoming outdated or obsolete. The best companies—Google (GOOGL), Apple (AAPL), Amazon (AMZN), Pepsi (PEP)— fail frequently because they’re willing to experiment. Some of those experiments become booming successes.
THE BAD
About those bankruptcies, Pt. 1. Trump claims to have made a lot of money in Atlantic City, where all his casino projects were based. But many of his partners, investors and contractors fared poorly. After the first two bankruptcies, Trump formed a public company called Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts, later renamed Trump Entertainment Resorts. It was a dog, declaring an annual profit just three times during 18 years, according to data from S&P Capital IQ. Cumulative net income during those 18 years was a $652 million loss. Trump also failed to foresee Atlantic City’s demise as a gaming mecca, even as other states were legalizing gambling and cracking open the East Coast monopoly Atlantic City once had. Trump might have been a visionary during Atlantic City’s rise in the 1980s, but by the 2000s he was doubling down on a rapidly fading relic.
About those bankruptcies, Pt. 2. Trump’s bankrupt casinos behaved as every company typically does in Chapter 11: They defaulted on debts and negotiated partial payments with contractors in court, based on what money was available. Trump is right that this is a standard tool of business, but doing it four times in the same place left a wide trail of contractors that went unpaid and suffered as Trump supposedly profited. Trump’s Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, and many other critics are now feasting on the tales of family-owned businesses and ordinary working people stiffed by a tycoon cutting his losses and moving on to the next thing.
Poor quality control. The Trump Organization is a successful real-estate firm partly because it has exacting standards for its condominiums and hotels, many of them able to boast five-star rankings. Any developer licensing the Trump name for a building must adhere to a long list of requirements governing the appearance of the lobby, the quality of the furniture and fixtures, available amenities and many other things. But the company seemingly applied no such standards when it licensed the name to an outside company that established Trump University, which turned out to be a lowbrow scheme targeting gullible consumers willing to put thousands of dollars in Trump charges on their credit cards. This was a sharp wrong turn for Trump that produced still-ongoing lawsuits liable to generate unflattering news for Trump through the rest of the campaign and perhaps into 2017.
Hypersensitivity. Trump would be more effective if he were able to keep his mouth shut every now and then. Take his wealth, for example. Nobody disputes that Trump is a billionaire, but he famously asserts he’s worth around $10 billion, while analysts at Forbes and Bloomberg say he’s worth less than half that. Why argue the point? If Trump were “only” worth the $3 billion Bloomberg claims, he’d still be one of the richest presidential candidates ever. Other billionaires could almost certainly contest their spot in the rankings, yet they rarely do, since being rich is reward enough. Trump’s battles with wealth counters make him seem petulant and petty, while constantly highlighting his grandiosity.
SO WHAT’S THE TAKEAWAY?
We’ll offer two. First, Trump is more successful as a businessman than the disproportionate coverage of his failures might suggest. His career has been rocky, but he has recovered from virtually all of his failures and at the age of 70 he has a lot to show for his efforts. Forbes ranks Trump the third-richest developer in New York, with a net worth of $4.5 billion, a considerable improvement on the $100 million or so he started with from his father.
But it’s far from clear that Trump’s success running a business would make him an effective president. In fact, many hallmarks of Trump’s style as a businessman might work against him in the White House. Politicians in the public eye don’t usually get nearly as many chances to recover from mistakes as Trump has gotten in the private sector. Trump’s business dealings demonstrate little concern for the public good, and while he’s made himself and his family rich, he hasn’t spread the wealth very widely. Trump has also shown bad business judgment by taking on debt too aggressively, extending his brand too far and chasing an opportunity long after it was gone. He always convinced bankers to loan him more money and give him another chance. Voters are not usually so forgiving.
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Post by Frank on Jul 21, 2016 7:51:07 GMT -4
OK alanr, what's the alternative? Hillary? I can't think of a worse candidate. We have a really crappy choice this election. I'm going with the lesser of the two evils!
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Post by kidoode on Jul 21, 2016 9:20:50 GMT -4
Satan is a preferred alternative to Trump.
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Post by Frank on Jul 21, 2016 10:57:28 GMT -4
Satan is a preferred alternative to Trump. So you think Hillary Satan would be a better choice? I doubt it!
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Post by by by by on Jul 22, 2016 1:27:08 GMT -4
Have a trump steak and choke on the grizzle.
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