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Post by jake on Feb 23, 2007 18:50:31 GMT -4
My daughter told me today at Stevensville M.S the VP instituted a new policy of no PDA's (personal displays of affections) will be allowed. This included hand holding, and hugs, even hugs among friends. Pretty sad state when every form of affection is placed under the negative umbrella of political correctness.
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Post by outlaw on Feb 23, 2007 19:28:30 GMT -4
Very sad. Not even air hugs? Pretty soon we'll all be walking around in plastic suits. Sometimes kids are a bit too affectionate in the hallway, but I don't understand the objection to hugs or hand holding.
Maybe we can send the VP some sort of e-mail hug. It could be that the VP isn't getting any affection - perhaps this is a cry for help.
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Post by Daniel on Feb 23, 2007 19:46:59 GMT -4
Things aren't like they were when most of us were in that age group. Kids are basically dry-humping in the halls there and this is an effort to de-hip-hopitize the school. It's not hand-holding that they are worried about, it's the dry humping, groping and grabbing that's going on. Parents aren't setting a good example at home, kids are enthralled by hip-hop culture for some reason or another, and they are being allowed to dress inappropriately for their age group. Kudos to the V.P. for trying to stop the ghetto mentality where it is now beginning, yo.
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Post by heather on Feb 23, 2007 19:56:26 GMT -4
I went to an American high school in Morocco back in the '80s and we had a no PDA rule. It didn't go so far as no hugging friends, but only pertained to male-female PDA. I have to agree with Daniel...things are wayyy different than they were back in the day!
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Post by outlaw on Feb 23, 2007 20:51:01 GMT -4
Well, I guess they're in school to learn, not to hug. I wonder what the penalty is for hugging or holding hands.
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Post by Mike on Feb 23, 2007 22:41:42 GMT -4
good, little kids are too horny as it is...
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Post by falgar25 on Feb 24, 2007 8:23:08 GMT -4
What a missed opportunity this was. Instead of instituting a policy requiring respectful PDA, the policy prohibits all PDAs. (that's what jake wrote).
Why not teach them to act as adults and treat each other in the hallways of school as they will be expected to treat each other in public? Holding hands in public: seen it, done it, it's nice. Hugs upon meeting friends: seen it, done it (need to do it more often), it's nice. Dry-humping in public: seen it, haven't done it, wasn't a really nice place to be.
One-size-fits-all solutions generally don't fit anything very well.
Have you ever noticed that the more adults tell kids "you can't do this" the more the kids want to do exactly that, even if they had not thought of it themselves?
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Post by Pete Richter on Feb 24, 2007 9:20:35 GMT -4
Drugs are in all our schools. Children graduate from high school and can hardly read and write. Principles are being arrested for buying drugs in school from under cover agents. Teachers are having sex with students. One of our own teachers demonstrated to a mixed Chass of 7th graders how to put a com-don on a banana. Male Balto.Co.Police Officer James Blankenship was allowed to resign after being arrested, and convicted for having sex with a 14 year old boy student. etc. etc. etc.............Kids are kids, and they will follow the leader. As parents, and citizens we need to challenge the authorities..........Have any of your daughters had negative incidents with the Deputies detailed to our schools?
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Post by Mike on Feb 24, 2007 10:38:24 GMT -4
Pete, for christs sake, can you not turn every thread into a thread about police... shut the hell up for once, thanks
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Post by outlaw on Feb 24, 2007 11:12:33 GMT -4
What Falgar says makes sense to me. I still wonder what the penalty is. Are they actually going to suspend kids for hugging?
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Post by highlander73 on Feb 24, 2007 14:49:54 GMT -4
What a missed opportunity this was. Instead of instituting a policy requiring respectful PDA, the policy prohibits all PDAs. (that's what jake wrote). Why not teach them to act as adults and treat each other in the hallways of school as they will be expected to treat each other in public? Holding hands in public: seen it, done it, it's nice. Hugs upon meeting friends: seen it, done it (need to do it more often), it's nice. Dry-humping in public: seen it, haven't done it, wasn't a really nice place to be. One-size-fits-all solutions generally don't fit anything very well. Have you ever noticed that the more adults tell kids "you can't do this" the more the kids want to do exactly that, even if they had not thought of it themselves? Because our society does not allow for ambiguity, you cannot institute a policy like that. Do you want to spend millions of tax dollars in lawsuits defending a school administrator's interpretation of what an acceptable PDA is? Me neither. This policy is not about teaching anything, its about preventing something.
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Post by highlander73 on Feb 24, 2007 14:50:59 GMT -4
Pete, for christs sake, can you not turn every thread into a thread about police... shut the hell up for once, thanks I would bump your karma if I was registered. ;D
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Post by heather on Feb 24, 2007 15:23:55 GMT -4
Pete, for christs sake, can you not turn every thread into a thread about police... shut the hell up for once, thanks I would bump your karma if I was registered. ;D I did it for you! ;D
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Post by shadow1 on Feb 24, 2007 15:45:20 GMT -4
PETE -per GBM's post and Highlanders(reference #2 on the Random Drug Testing thread) post, get your head out of your A** and take a look at some of the positives in the world- not everything is related to law enforcement. What the he** does no PDA's allowed have to do with you asking the question "Have any of your daughters had negative incidents with the Deputies detailed to our schools?" - there you go trying to bring a negative spin on law enforcement, where it doesn't belong PETE - How about whether you agree or not with "No PDA's Allowed" - a simple yes or no would suffice. JEEESH, Highlander you hit it on the nose, only a matter of time before someone like him or a few others are back on the negative police vibes having nothing to do with the thread
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Post by outlaw on Feb 24, 2007 16:00:26 GMT -4
This policy needs to be tested. Next year I'll hold my kids' hands when I walk them into middle school and hug them goodbye in the hallway. I feel the love already.
Geez, I just had a scary thought - my mom usually kisses them on the cheek during grandparents' day. I better warn her about this being considered a criminal act.
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Post by Pete Richter on Feb 24, 2007 18:58:24 GMT -4
Shadow I.........The written law is what separates man from the animals. Without the written law, the law of the jungle would be supreme. I'll stick with the Constitution.
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Post by highlander73 on Feb 24, 2007 19:37:52 GMT -4
This policy needs to be tested. Next year I'll hold my kids' hands when I walk them into middle school and hug them goodbye in the hallway. I feel the love already. Geez, I just had a scary thought - my mom usually kisses them on the cheek during grandparents' day. I better warn her about this being considered a criminal act. Just wait till you both get yanked aside for the random parent drug screening... ;D
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Post by shadow1 on Feb 24, 2007 23:19:39 GMT -4
There ya go Pete, another statement having nothing to do with the context of the thread
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Post by outlaw on Feb 25, 2007 1:05:12 GMT -4
No worries for me, Highlander. I rarely even take Tylenol and can't function if I even take Sudafed.
Maybe I should ask the principal for a hug waiver slip before I hug my kids just to be safe.
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Post by ljp on Feb 26, 2007 15:29:35 GMT -4
Drugs are in all our schools. Children graduate from high school and can hardly read and write. Principles are being arrested for buying drugs in school from under cover agents. Teachers are having sex with students. One of our own teachers demonstrated to a mixed Chass of 7th graders how to put a com-don on a banana. Male Balto.Co.Police Officer James Blankenship was allowed to resign after being arrested, and convicted for having sex with a 14 year old boy student. etc. etc. etc.............Kids are kids, and they will follow the leader. As parents, and citizens we need to challenge the authorities.......... I think you answered your own question: The problem is the adults, parents who don't take the time to teach their kids correct and appropriate behavior. If they did, then there would be no need for this rule. Recently I overheard a conversation between 2 young girls at my church. They were talking about a couple they knew at Crown College that were recently married. One girl asked the other if the couple had 'kissed' before they got married and the other girl said that no they hadn't. The first time they kissed was at the altar. That it was about purity. Some may call that extreme by todays measure, but each graduate of that college are moving on to great careers and adulthood vs. caring for an illegitimate child and becoming a drain on society. THOSE are kids with great parents... Maybe the parents of these kids at the middle school (omg that scares me! - middle school!!) could learn a lesson from the parents of those kids... This isn't really an issue of the 'authorities'. Sounds more like a wake up call for the parents.
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Post by outlaw on Feb 26, 2007 16:50:54 GMT -4
The most eye-opening thing a parent can do is visit their child's school during class change. Don't worry that your adult presence will inhibit anybody's behavior - yikes! That said, I think banning hand holding and hugging is extreme, but I guess it's better than standing with a timer and saying "5-second hugs only" when the hugs go haywire.
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Post by bchevy on Feb 26, 2007 19:06:27 GMT -4
I think it's called a hall monitor, no I didn't have one.
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Post by outlaw on Feb 27, 2007 0:25:17 GMT -4
We didn't need hall monitors when I was a kid. The teachers stood in the doorways during class changes which kept the language, etc. under control. Bchevy, you're brave enough to open your door to strangers; I bet you would make a really good hall monitor!
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Post by bchevy on Feb 27, 2007 18:49:15 GMT -4
The most eye-opening thing a parent can do is visit their child's school during class change. Don't worry that your adult presence will inhibit anybody's behavior - yikes! ALL it would take is for ANY ADULT that saw this going on is to tell them to move along, or send them to the office to call their parents and explain what they were doing. problem solved. Once word of this gets through the school, poof! gone.
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Post by outlaw on Feb 27, 2007 21:16:41 GMT -4
Ha! I think the "b" in bchevy stands for brave. You'd be lucky if they just gave you the finger and said some words you've never heard instead of punching you. Some of these 7th graders are 6 feet tall.
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