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Post by Pete Richter on Mar 6, 2007 15:40:55 GMT -4
Shadow I.....The point was this.....An apology is an excuse for an action you committed. Not an action someone else committed. Those who committed the action would be the guilty, and those who were on the other end of the stick would be the victim. Everyone involved in slavery is long since dead, and slavery was legal at the time. End of Story....... "Am I my brothers keeper?" Genesis 4-9..........The injustices levied on the blacks after they became citizens is where an apology is due....Liberty=Freedom....Justice=Equalty....For all=Legal citizens..... Anyone victimized by the Government (Government=Those persons holding the power) should be championed by the rest of us. The riots of 1968 were the results of the the rest of us turning our heads to the illegal behavior of the people in power......What do you think?
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Post by shadow1 on Mar 6, 2007 16:04:41 GMT -4
Pete - again the original question was "Should MD apologize for slavery?" I'll answer your question once you answer the original subject of the thread, which you seem to avoid.
Don't try to belittle the rest of us with your "mightier than thou" attitude. Most of us are familiar with the difference between victim and abuser, and the definition of apology; are you willing to apologize for the racism that's occurred throughout the history of this country? Doubt it!
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Post by Mike on Mar 6, 2007 16:06:38 GMT -4
S1 wins, Pete loses
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Post by bchevy on Mar 6, 2007 17:27:45 GMT -4
Coocoo
Coocoo
Coocoo
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Post by Pete Richter on Mar 6, 2007 17:42:40 GMT -4
Shawdow I........I answered the question of apologizing for slavery. Accusing me of having a "mightier than thou attitude" is a cheap shot.
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Post by bchevy on Mar 6, 2007 21:29:54 GMT -4
An apology is NOT an excuse for an action you committed
In my opinion an apology is showing regret, asking forgiveness, an attempt to heal a wound or fix a wrong that you committed.
NO ONE is left that committed this, or was 1st hand directly a "victim" of it.
MOVE ALONG NOW
Shadow: I think the "mightier than thou" line was right on time.....
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Post by baycitydan on Mar 6, 2007 23:02:24 GMT -4
My thought is just that for literally decades a certain segment of our population has been doing poorly: in school test scores, drug usage, prison population, section 8 assistance, etc. Maybe if they feel redeemed they might get motivated to become a part of society like every ethnic group has managed to do before and after they were brought here. I'm all for assistance if it will motivate (section 8 is not that) and I'm all for an acknowledgment of wrongdoing on behalf of this country to their ancestors if it will get positive results. No "40 acres and a mule" handouts, but if a simple "We're sorry" will help with what problems there are within that community, then go for it.
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Post by outlaw on Mar 7, 2007 0:08:49 GMT -4
Anybody who needs motivation, no matter what their color, should read the book "Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglas." I refer my kids to it when they complain about school despite having every resource at their fingertips, but its message is applicable to any situation. Reading about someone with determination to change his life and who learned to read despite the fact that doing so was illegal for him is enough to inspire almost anyone.
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Post by Gill Scott on Mar 8, 2007 15:34:01 GMT -4
You all sound like future Klan members. White folks just can't accept that they are the race responsible for screwing up this country and the world for that matter. The fact is we should have left the peoples of Africa and the natives of this country alone. And yes we will have to appoligize to the world one day for destabilizing the Middle East. But that's what happens when you have a president with an IQ of 91. The sad thing is once we pack up and leave things will happen to this country that will make 911 pale in comparison. Wake up white people
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Post by shadow1 on Mar 8, 2007 16:51:27 GMT -4
GScott - your insinuation that because individuals don't believe an apology is warranted by the current government (or white folks in general) that they must be prejudice (future Klan members) is misdirected . If you read the "apology" pole/thread, you'll notice that those opposed to apologizing do not say that there was no injustice regarding those affected by slavery or the Native American issue, but to the contrary, that it is a little late. In fact, I think you'd find most agree that what occurred was wrong. The state of Virginia apologized and what response did you hear -basically nothing - it has no real impact. Your Middle East comments are yet to be seen. "Wake up white people" - could be construed as prejudiced- more appropriate would be "wake up world."
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Post by bchevy on Mar 8, 2007 18:15:25 GMT -4
"Wake up white people" - could be construed as prejudiced- more appropriate would be "wake up world." Obvious Howard Fan, stole the line from there, and yeah, just a "little" prejudiced. Gill, Where in the world did you come up with those conclusions from reading the thread. Oh, you probably didn't READ it before you posted....
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Post by outlaw on Mar 8, 2007 21:06:18 GMT -4
Slavery is wrong and native Africans should have been left alone. However, anyone who wants to can move back to the country of their forefathers. I don't see a lot of people doing that. The only thing apologizing does is create further divisiveness.
Why can't we all just get along?
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Post by BlueMule on Mar 9, 2007 5:40:28 GMT -4
I think it was said before... What kind of liability issues does this open up?
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Post by outlaw on Mar 13, 2007 18:51:34 GMT -4
Below is from the "Capital." Sen. Exum is the same guy who wants random drug testing in schools.
I think they should apologize to the taxpayers for wasting our money.
Maryland is moving closer to apologizing for its role in slavery.
The Senate Committee on Judicial Proceedings last week gave a favorable report to a bill from Sen. Nathaniel Exum, D-Prince George's, that "expresses profound regret for the role that Maryland played in instituting and maintaining slavery and for the discrimination that was slavery's legacy."
The report is scheduled to be read on the Senate floor tomorrow.
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Post by ljp on Mar 29, 2007 9:47:13 GMT -4
Did I hear it right this week that this passed? Anyone know what's next?
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Post by BlueMule on Mar 29, 2007 9:53:45 GMT -4
you heard correctly.
next?
The injunction againt KHOV for 4 Seasons was overturned by the Md Court of Special Appeals. reported in yesterday's BOO Times.
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Post by theodat on Mar 29, 2007 9:54:51 GMT -4
I don't know what the right answer is. The effects of Slavery are still being felt in the United States even though it ended long ago. It just shows you the actions you take today if severe enough can affect people long after it is over and you have passed on. I personally could never hurt another human being or make him my slave, but harsh times make harsh people.
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Post by shoreterp on Mar 29, 2007 10:16:21 GMT -4
Wait until the push for reparations starts. With this out of control Legislature, anything is possible
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Post by bchevy on Mar 29, 2007 18:40:51 GMT -4
Stupid A$$ politicians. Do they REALLY THINK that's the reason they were voted in there?
I heard this before, and still like it:
If they really cant find anything better to do, they should just go home!
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Post by bchevy on Mar 29, 2007 18:41:44 GMT -4
Wait until the push for reparations starts. With this out of control Legislature, anything is possible YEP, and O'Malley's Dumb BUTT would sign it. self censored for Pete
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Post by kicrab107 on Mar 30, 2007 4:36:43 GMT -4
All this does is further divide the races by singling out one group of people. Should blacks apologize for the race riots after MLK's assasination?
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Post by Frank on Mar 30, 2007 8:10:14 GMT -4
This whole thing is a joke. It is absolutely meaningless unless the group commiting the act apologized to the group affected. People like Jesse Jackson and Kanye West make sure the line between people is clearly visible. I think most Americans are bigger than people give them credit for. We can all move on if it is allowed. My ancestors were in Italy at the time of slavery. Should I be included in the apology? They immigrated LEGALLY into the United States through Ellis Island in the 20's. The Italians and the Irish were denied jobs, housing, and education in New York because of there ethnicity. My grandparents moved to DC to find work. Do I get an apology? Do I get special privilidges? Quotas? It is time to move on to the next level.
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Post by JohnG on Mar 30, 2007 9:52:25 GMT -4
I agree Frank. It seems like there are some as you mentioned working their own agenda for their own benefits. If it weren't for causes Jesse Jackson would be unemployed. Maybe if they would stop dividing the populous then we could move on rather than continuing to focus on wrongs that were committed by an ignorant society more than 100 years ago? I am still to this day disgusted by Kanye Wests’ comments about George Bush. Where does he get off saying something like that and what gives him the impression that Bush personally decided to let the Katrina victims suffer just because they were American Africans? ( I am quoting Whoopie Goldberg there). Had his statements been made by anyone of any other heritage (I refuse to use the word nationality) there would have been riots in the streets.
It really isn't fair at all that our taxes will be affected whether they go up or whether less money will then be allocated for things like schools (you know that the lawsuits are to follow and that this will happen) to cover apologies that no one today should be given the responsibility of giving. Our government is too busy trying to be sensitive and not being sensible. Why is no one considering Affirmative Action reparation? Even more unfair that many many of our own ancestors as you stated were victimized from social and economic standpoints as well. There are some neighborhoods in NY where the Irish and Italians are still spit on just because of their heritage. Why aren’t there benefits for those people? I mean they were victimized within the last eighty years, yet because their descendants are lumped into the Caucasian category based on skin color they don’t deserve the same treatments? (Please don’t blast me, I do recognize that there is a difference between a couple hundred years of owning human beings vs. 30 years of poverty stricken immigrants.)
It all stems from that nasty human desire we have to be better than someone else, which is only a result of being made to feel that way at one time or another in the first place. It's what creates snobs and elitists.
Who is responsible? Those who did it.
The only way that this would be fair would be to have the government apologize to all nationalities that were discriminated against in this country. Could you imagine THAT can of worms?
I don’t need an apology for the wrongs done to my ancestors. It happened. It was a sign of the times. It isn’t happening anymore. I cannot expect the world to give something to me when everyone else has to work for it.
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Post by matt on Mar 30, 2007 11:47:00 GMT -4
.... I personally could never hurt another human being or make him my slave, but harsh times make harsh people. Said 143 years after the end of slavery in this State. had you been there, and had you been raised by people who considered it normal, you have no way of knowing how'd you'd react. Never say never, and never underestimate the herd mentality -> evidence this stupid apology.
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Post by bchevy on Mar 30, 2007 13:22:38 GMT -4
This whole thing is a joke. It is absolutely meaningless unless the group commiting the act apologized to the group affected. Bottom line. Said it earlier, no one alive now went through it, get a job, move on, get over it.
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