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Post by constructr on Feb 25, 2009 9:25:13 GMT -4
Who was the moron that told him America invented the automobile? Or did he make that up on his own??
Hey, BO. I'll let ya in on a lil' secret! It was the French who actually invented the car but it was steam powered. Karl Benz (Germany) invented the 1st real gas powered automobile.
I tell ya, he sure can spew some garbage. What worse is how many people actually believe what the guy says. Very sad.
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Post by island tech on Feb 25, 2009 11:42:22 GMT -4
This guy will have a hell of a career in used car sales once his term is up.
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Post by funnel101 on Feb 25, 2009 21:08:38 GMT -4
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Post by mcbeth on Feb 25, 2009 23:45:31 GMT -4
It was Ford that figured out the assembly line to make autos more affordable, so that was the US contribution to the auto industry.
EDIT: He should have his speech writers do a little better research, that's for sure. Sorry, didn't watch it so I can't add anything more intelligent, but I have to heap blame on his speech writers who should have caught an errror like that.
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Post by kl on Feb 26, 2009 7:44:02 GMT -4
Who was the moron that told him America invented the automobile? Or did he make that up on his own?? Hey, BO. I'll let ya in on a lil' secret! It was the French who actually invented the car but it was steam powered. Karl Benz (Germany) invented the 1st real gas powered automobile. I tell ya, he sure can spew some garbage. What worse is how many people actually believe what the guy says. Very sad. And that's a major concern of yours? Wow!!
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Post by einebierbitte on Feb 26, 2009 7:49:58 GMT -4
Who was the moron that told him America invented the automobile? Or did he make that up on his own?? Hey, BO. I'll let ya in on a lil' secret! It was the French who actually invented the car but it was steam powered. Karl Benz (Germany) invented the 1st real gas powered automobile. I tell ya, he sure can spew some garbage. What worse is how many people actually believe what the guy says. Very sad. And that's a major concern of yours? Wow!! KL...If Bush had said that you would have been all over it like ugly on an ape..... now the shoes on the other foot.......
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Post by RobMoore on Feb 26, 2009 7:57:38 GMT -4
Don't say Ape, that's racist.
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Post by deputy on Feb 26, 2009 9:36:23 GMT -4
Who was the moron that told him America invented the automobile? Or did he make that up on his own?? Hey, BO. I'll let ya in on a lil' secret! It was the French who actually invented the car but it was steam powered. Karl Benz (Germany) invented the 1st real gas powered automobile. I tell ya, he sure can spew some garbage. What worse is how many people actually believe what the guy says. Very sad. And that's a major concern of yours? Wow!! It certainly WAS a major concern of yours when GW was in there. Wow right back at you!! Did you follow the link up there, I watched it, called him on the railroad and the automobile as soon as he said it. The Mrs. was skeptical of me at the time.... Take your lumps Kl, no one is perfect including the anointed Messiah that is B. H. Obama.
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Post by kl on Feb 26, 2009 10:08:04 GMT -4
And that's a major concern of yours? Wow!! KL...If Bush had said that you would have been all over it like ugly on an ape..... now the shoes on the other foot....... Not true..Only the last couple of years of Bush's reign would I have called him out on it. B.O. has been in office what? A bit more than a month? The man has a boatload of sh*t to take care of, mainly the last 8 years of Fuc*ups, dontcha think? And I have to agree with Rob..that ape comment was a tad over the line..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 10:18:32 GMT -4
Obama's people should have checked the facts on "the internets" as W would say.
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Post by einebierbitte on Feb 26, 2009 11:16:39 GMT -4
OM F G.....
If you think the comment was racist or over the top..it's only because YOU made it that way.
That saying has been around longer than I have been alive, and I have pretty much said that all my life. I have yet to meet an ape that has been insulted by it. But the next time I am at the Zoo Ill be sure to ask.
Get a grip. I meant nothing by it whatsover, and you have thorougly offended me insinuating as much.
And as far as Obamo having a lot on his plate and supposedly having to clean up after 8 years of whatever....That's your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it, just as those who are not of the same opinion have the right to ridicule and speculate and hold Obama accountable...From day one..... He wanted the job, he got the job, now he has to deal with what comes with the job....Scrutiny at every turn.
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Post by lynn on Feb 26, 2009 14:59:11 GMT -4
OM F G..... If you think the comment was racist or over the top..it's only because YOU made it that way. That saying has been around longer than I have been alive, and I have pretty much said that all my life. I have yet to meet an ape that has been insulted by it. But the next time I am at the Zoo Ill be sure to ask. Get a grip. I meant nothing by it whatsoever, and you have thoroughly offended me insinuating as much. And as far as Obamo having a lot on his plate and supposedly having to clean up after 8 years of whatever....That's your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it, just as those who are not of the same opinion have the right to ridicule and speculate and hold Obama accountable...From day one..... He wanted the job, he got the job, now he has to deal with what comes with the job....Scrutiny at every turn. Eine, don't worry about it. I don't really think that anyone believes that is a racist comment. I think RobMoore was just playing with you. I'm assuming kl is just a bit grumpy because Obama isn't living up to some people's expectations. Many Obama supporters seem to find it necessary to try to defend Obama at every turn and can't admit that he is f'kng up some major decisions. Some people fought so hard and chanted "we need a change... we need a change", well change is what we are getting. We are getting screwed and some of the folks just can't admit that they made a mistake by electing him. I'm sure a majority of the Obama voters are quietly thinking "d**n, I should have voted for Hillary". I like GWB very much; however that does not mean that I agree with everything that he has done. When he was going to open the ports to Dubai control - I cried out "what the he!!" and when he tried to appoint a friend and a confident who was lacking credentials to the Supreme Court, once again I cried out "what the he!!". Yes, Obama has only been in office for a month now, but IMO he has already done a long list of things which I cry out "What the hell ?!" If anyone questions why I say this, well then I can start a new thread called : "Obama, what the hell?!" Anyway, Eine I don't think your comment was racist at all. Anyone who is truly offended by that needs to grow up. BTW, the schools no longer say to the children "sit down Indian Style", they say "criss cross apple sauce". I laughed so hard when I first heard that. I have friends who are Indian (both kinds!) and I know for a fact that they don't care at all about the phrase "sit Indian Style"; there is absolutely nothing wrong with the phrase at all. Some Americans try to enforce a nationwide standard on everyone of being "politically correct". I think we should throw political correctness out the door. One thing I like about the Brits, they call it as they see it and they don't feel a need to be "politically correct" about things. For example they recently did a story on the mother of the octuplets and they referred to her in bold letters as "octo-girl thingy". I better get back to work now since lunch is over. My boss works me like a slave and I have a ton of work to do.
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Post by deputy on Feb 26, 2009 15:00:32 GMT -4
KL...If Bush had said that you would have been all over it like ugly on an ape..... now the shoes on the other foot....... Not true..Only the last couple of years of Bush's reign would I have called him out on it. B.O. has been in office what? A bit more than a month? The man has a boatload of sh*t to take care of, mainly the last 8 years of Fuc*ups, dontcha think? It's really too bad that you can't focus your energy on where these problems started, and just who tried to do things about it but couldn't with DEMS running the hill. Your points would make much more sense if they were pointed in the right direction...... AND WHO GIVES A BIG CRAP ABOUT AN APE COMMENT OR A MONKEY CARTOON? We have real issues out there and people are crying about this piddley crap. U.F.R.
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Post by lynn on Feb 26, 2009 15:02:48 GMT -4
oh, thats funny.
I typed in "octo-pu$$y" and it came up "octo girly thingy"!
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Post by Frank on Feb 26, 2009 15:50:58 GMT -4
I better get back to work now since lunch is over. My boss works me like a slave and I have a ton of work to do. Yes, you better. There are millions depending on your check now!
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Post by RobMoore on Feb 26, 2009 22:27:57 GMT -4
^ Yeah, eine, I was just playing with you on the ape thing, making light of the recent cartoon so many cry-babies blew up about.
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Post by dej on Feb 27, 2009 5:00:21 GMT -4
The car invention and railroad statements in themselves aren't a major concern to me. I don't even believe he is trying to revise history in these particular cases, since he probably didn't write the speech to begin with. The only concern that I have about them is that it shows he has chosen people around him that do sloppy, lazy work, where facts don't seem to mean anything.
The link that Funnel posted does raise some major concerns.
If you are going to set energy policy, a little basic knowledge of oil import stats is critical. If you say your mortgage aid plan ONLY helps responsible borrowers, but have no way to explain how potential aid recipients would be screened, its effectiveness is questionable at best. Bankruptcies are a major drag on the economy, but if you don't do some very basic research to get the number right on the causes, you have no clue on how to deal with them. The 57 officers’ jobs exaggeration is a repeat of his Caterpillar gaffe and shows a couple things. Obama seems to hear what he wants to hear, without facts getting in the way, and making the same type of mistake a couple weeks apart seems to indicate a long learning curve. The constant repetition of tax cuts for 95% of Americans and the debunking that inevitably follows again shows either he is not a quick learner, or he subscribes to the old theory that if you repeat the same lie often enough, it becomes truth in the minds of some.
While "Hope" and "Change" worked for Candidate Obama, mistatements like these from President Obama don't create Hope or inspire confidence that effective Change is going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2009 9:38:29 GMT -4
Wow, talk about splitting hairs. Are these gaffes in the scope of the problems that important really.
We didn't invent the car, but Henry Ford is credited with being able to mass produce it and spawn an industry. To me, it's the same as the airplane. We didn't invent it, but again it was a group of Americans (Wright Bros.) that took flight first that was meaningful and got airplanes going.
Is this lying to the American people......how about the Russians putting the first satellite into space. But, the Americans are the ones who really got the space program going and put a man on the moon.
Do I agree with everything Obama is doing.....No. But I do like the idea of trying to motivate the people and the country with our accomplishments to help get us out of this funk we are in.
The ship is taking on water. How did it happen, who's responsible, is it really sinking, that's not water, I'm not fixing it, it wasn't my fault.........
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Post by dej on Feb 27, 2009 10:52:33 GMT -4
I agree the car & railroad thing is splitting hairs, jsut as you accurately point out with the space program. But I don;t think it's too much to ask to have the man setting energy policy know whats happening with energy markets. How can a person deal with an increasing bankruptcy rate if he doesn't understand what the triggers are? Why does he keep repeating his mantra that he's cutting taxes for 95% of working Americans when the best number number any independent group has come up with is 75% of all Americans? I understand some may think that 20 percent margin is splitting hairs. Split 20% off you paycheck and see just how big that hair is! That's not even taking into account the fuzzy math needed to explain how you can cut taxs for the 35% to 40% of working Americans that pay no taxes now.
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Post by bchevy on Feb 27, 2009 11:49:29 GMT -4
Oh yeah, the fuzzy math is in high gear. The nightly news is in love with it too. we just spent a trillion dollars that we don't have, Obama's tax increases on the rich really aren't increases. what I saw is that he is reducing the amounts you can write off on mortgages, and donations, this will not pay for his plans.
People need to be asking: HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS?
WE don't have the money. HE can't cut enough to pay for it HIS tax increases aren't enough to pay for it
DO YOU KNOW WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT?
I KNOW.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2009 12:53:25 GMT -4
So what is the solution?
I know there is a lot of talk of just actually cutting taxes for everyone and businesses and this would jump start the economy. Would an extra net income of $500 or $1000 a year make people buy new cars, spend money to remodel their homes or start a new business......I wouldn't.
Even if I got a $1000 check in the mail tomorrow from the government, I would put it in the bank or pay extra principal on my mortgage. This would not help the economy.
Some how we have to stop job loss, create new jobs and get people to start spending money on material items.
So what is the answer. A combo of tax cuts and spending initiatives seems to make sense. Go both ways to see what works. Tax cuts to to get people spending in the economy, spending programs to create jobs and new industry.
Tax cuts do sound good, but that lost revenue has to be made up somehow through local, state and federal government cut backs. Is there a easy acheivable way to do that. I know this will create a lot of comments from the people.
I for one think any and all subsidies to any industry should be eliminated. The only exception would be R&D type things. Nothing to farmers and oil companies comes to the top of my mind.
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Post by Frank on Feb 27, 2009 14:00:25 GMT -4
How about incentives for hiring? A tax credit to employers for any employees hired in 2009 and 2010? The new employee would immediately be paying into the system. There would be one more person is working in America. Add another employee, take a second credit. This would be a great reason for an employer to add employees.
How about drilling offshore and in ANWR? Hundreds of thousands of jobs would be created. Hundreds of thousands more would be created from small businesses started to support those folks. Oil prices would drop and gas at the pumps would be easier for those having problems now. Talk about a quick turnaround in this country, this seems to me like a no-brainer.
How aboutn taking all the BS pork out of the stimulus package? Do we really need to give ACORN $4.5 billion dollars? How does America benefit from that? My thought is Obama is giving it to them to register more democrat voters to preserve his position as "the new messiah" in this country. What a waste of money. No new jobs, only benefitting "Obama". This is exactly what he promised wouldn't happen if he was elected.
The high speed railroad from LA to Vegas doesn't benefit America as a whole either. The stimulus package was to help all Americans, not just a select few.
How about taxing all products entering this country? All other countries do this except us. Obviously labor is cheap in China and American salaries are keeping the price of American goods higher than the foreign made counterparts. This practice needs to stop. We need to put America's needs first.
I could go on and on, but that is what the president and congress are supposed to be doing. Obviously they can't see past their own pockets.
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Post by kl on Feb 27, 2009 14:11:49 GMT -4
Eine, thanks so much for ASSUMING, that YOU THINK what I was saying!!! How did you reach the point of that racist remark?
As the others pointed out, and my remark was that Obama (with an a not an o) misspoke with his comment on the automobile. Appears to me that what he's doing, and trying to accomplish, is alot more than the original 700 billion dollar TARP/ Bank bailout. Haven't seen many good results there have we?
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Post by bchevy on Feb 27, 2009 15:55:05 GMT -4
1st thing "I THINK" is the government needs to BACK OFF. sure, you can punish the ones that were criminals in their business practices, but beyond that Gov't has no business, IN business. If someone runs their company into the ground, bury it and toss some dirt on top. There will be one to take it's place, there always is.
Let the economy correct itself, it will, it has, and it will again.
the things Obama is trying have been tried before, only not this large of a scale, I believe it will just fail harder, maybe not as fast. This is not how this country was built nor is it how the country should be ran.
With the government taking over these companies, it's a false takeover, fake.
You can't grow gov't bigger during hard times, you need to shrink it, and in a big way. Hard times need hard measures and nobody wants to even think about how hard it might get.
We aren't done, we've barely started. I don't think we've even cracked the tip of the iceburg with the whole economy mess.
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Post by einebierbitte on Feb 27, 2009 18:15:49 GMT -4
Rob moore, I apologize, I had no idea about the cartoon until today. In the back of my mind I kinda thought you were joking around...and at first I did take it that way....
But KL's added input just set me off. Sorry bud but you did infer by saying that the remark was out of line......
And you bashed bush like a banshee and anytime anyone says anything remotely Unnice about the current sitting president, you get all "give him a chance and then bring up the past administrations actions that you didn't care for. All I said was you had a right to your opinion as does everyone else, now the shoes on the other foot...deal with it? How's that turning it around....
My remark had nothing to do with the president at all....just commenting on the way I see your actions and reactions to anything negative about the president.
Like me or hate me, agree with me or not...Not going to lose any sleep over it at all...
But like the rest of the voting public out there.... we have a right to nitpick to death anything and everything those people try and do in DC..or our own backyard whether we agree or not...
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