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Post by kl on Apr 27, 2007 11:35:33 GMT -4
Well Falgar..thing is, whatever happened to sidewalks? Knowing how some folks are quite protective of their yards, and may not enjoy seeing kids walking, riding bikes, running, through their yards? One thought is, since there are very few mailmen that walk a route anymore, I believe the Post Office, has demanded new communities, to have mailboxes set right to the road, so they never have to leave their mail jeeps to deliver the mail. In doing so, they took out a huge safety measure for children, and adults, by not installing sidewalks in neighborhoods.
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Post by Brooke on Apr 27, 2007 12:14:49 GMT -4
Driving through neighborhoods and maintaining a presence is not "SEXY". Catching a speeder on their way to the beach that may have some beer or a joint on them will get the attention of your superiors. The Sheriffs Department needs to make a better effort to be a part of the community they are sworn to protect. Get out of your car, put down the cell phone and radar gun and talk with the kids and parents of your community. I know we don't live in Mayberry but if you did this, it would establish you as an officer of trust. I can't think of anything better than feeling secure and safe knowing that officer "John E. Law" has his eye on your best interests.
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Post by lynn on Apr 27, 2007 23:20:12 GMT -4
Falgar, do you really expect children to always stay on their yard? Yeah when I was a kid I walked all over the neighborhood, but we had sidewalks there. Since we don't have sidewalks here we have to walk in the streets of the neighborhood. Neither my kids, or my dog, or I walk in the middle of the street. We always walk on the shoulder. However when there are two opposing cars coming at the same time (the streets aren't wide enough at some places) it does get kind of dangerous when the car beside you is zipping by.
I don't think anyone is unhappy about police being in the neighborhoods catching speeders... except the one getting the ticket.
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Post by Same Deputy on Apr 29, 2007 14:10:12 GMT -4
Lynn,
You hit the nail on the head by your last comment and clearly the police are dammed if they did and dammed if they don’t. The police can’t win and we always fight losing battles with the citizens who we protect and serve. Large majority are happy when they see the police in their neighborhood, until there the one being stopped and cited for a violation. Then it’s the same old thing, darn the police and they are useless. Why can’t the police go after the real criminals such as the drug dealers and leave us speeding law biting citizens alone? The community loves when we ticket the speeding motorist but just as long as they do not get ticketed themselves. Everybody is a VIP that the police stop or so they think so. You issue a ticket in Clovefields for a speeding violation and the driver is angry and asks what about the speeders down in my development, Bay City. How about you doing something about the real speeders down there. You go to Bay City, run radar, stop vehicle, issue ticket, the driver is now angry and asks why can’t we do something about the real speeders in his development, Harbor View. Run radar in Harbor View, stop vehicle for speed infraction, issue citation, the driver is not happy and want to know why nothing is being done in his development which is Marling Farms and the real speeders are. And so on and so on and so on. It never ends. Someone is always going to be unhappy with the police and we will never make people happy. If I’m out on route 50, someone would say I should be in the community. If I’m in the community, someone would say I should be somewhere else.
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Post by bchevy on Apr 29, 2007 16:02:18 GMT -4
Wah, wah, wah, Boo, Hoo, Hoo, Excuses, Excuses, Excuses,
So THAT makes it OK not to do it?
Shut up and do your job, you're NOT doing it now....
WHEN, was the last time radar was ran in Bay City, CloverFields, Marling Farms, Harborview, or ANY other neighborhood? HUH? Tell me.
The MOST I've ever seen is the totally stupid trailer mounted box, waste of tax money that show's your speed.
What a crock you are.
Of COURSE the one's that get caught are going to cry. Their opinions don't count, they got caught. What you dont hear are the rest of the neighbors thanking you. They don't thank you in person because most of US never have to meet YOU.
Come and run it in my driveway, I dare ya. On top of that I DOUBLE DARE YA to do it ALL WEEK, IN MY DRIVEWAY, and see how many times you get the same car/truck.
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Post by falgar25 on Apr 29, 2007 17:41:23 GMT -4
Falgar, do you really expect children to always stay on their yard? Simple answer: yep. The lack of sidewalks is a problem. We had the same problem. Look, I'm not against kids and I'm not for people driving 60mph through developments. What I am for is personal responsibility. If you run across the street without looking and bad things happen, whose fault is that? If you play on that hard black surface where cars normally travel, even if it is the best place to bounce a ball, and a car comes by and bad things happen, whose fault is that? Teach your kids to stay out of the street. DEMAND that your kids stay out of the street. And crucify anyone that drives through your yard.
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Post by lynn on Apr 29, 2007 20:43:59 GMT -4
Falgar, When my kids are playing I do teach them to stay in the yard. Of course my dogs stay in the yard too. However, when we are taking a walk, we MUST walk in the street during parts of the walk. We can try to walk on the edges of people's yards, but some places just have big ditches and other places have cars parked on the edge of the yards. Many people walk, jog, and stroll through the neighborhoods and I think we all exercise caution and responsibility. However, all the best caution in the world doesn't help us when there is a speeding car that obviously outweighs us coming around the corner and we are in the street. .... you say "demand they stay out of the streets" well, yeah I demand that they (my kids) never play in the streets, but we should be allowed to walk around in our neighborhoods... which we must do in the streets. ....you say that you have the same problem and also did when your kids were little, I'm a little curious, if you didn't have any sidewalks... did you just never walk anywhere??
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Post by bchevy on Apr 29, 2007 21:26:14 GMT -4
Why not install speed bumps? Cars that are low to the ground hate those, but they work. They were installed in my last community, and stopped all the Nascar want-a-be's from racing through the neighborhoods. No tickets, no revenue, just slowing people down. NO! Speed Bumps S#^K!
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Post by falgar25 on Apr 30, 2007 3:23:53 GMT -4
....you say that you have the same problem and also did when your kids were little, I'm a little curious, if you didn't have any sidewalks... did you just never walk anywhere?? The road I lived on was very similar to Rt. 8. It was a two lane road with a 55mph limit. It was the main road in the area so it was heavily travelled. It wasn't Rt. 50, but it was odd to not see a car somewhere. There were two side roads in our neighborhood and a small development. The majority of the traffic was on the main Rd. If we coudn't cut across someone's back yard to get where we were going, we walked on the shoulder of the road. We played on the side streets or in parking lots or paved driveways. By necessity, we were good at hearing or spotting cars coming our way and we quickly got to the edge of the road. I don't remember how we knew where to play and where not to. You didn't even think about messing around on the main road, there was too much traffic. You could play on teh side roads, but yu needed to stay away from the corners or anywhere you coudn' t see a car coming. In the small development, we played in the parking areas and cul de sacs. To get from one place to another we cut through back yards (it was much faster than going around). So yes, we did walk and play in the road. But, we were aware that we were targets and it was very important to stay aware of what was going on around us. I don't know what has changed today. Maybe there are just too many people in too little space. Maybe drivers are more careless than when I was growing up. I don't know what the solution is, but a single focus on speed just doesn't seem like the way to go.
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Post by Pete Richter on Apr 30, 2007 4:20:06 GMT -4
Shorti......Thanks for the switch............To abate the problem in your neighborhood you need only video the traffic violation, identify the vehicle, and the operator. Armed with the evidence the police can issue the tickets, or you can see the court commissioner in Centreville.
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Post by shorti on Apr 30, 2007 12:14:36 GMT -4
First - Falgar, my son rides his bike on the side of the road due to lack of sidewalks... he knows not to play in the street, to look both ways, etc... so did my sister... even on a side street ... a child isn't safe riding on the side of the road or heck even stopping to let a car pass if the driver of the vehicle isn't being careful by speeding in a residential area & not paying attention!!! Ridiculous that you would even say, "I was smart enough to listen for cars & move when they were coming" so is my son and so am I - but if the person operating a CAR which outweighs any person easily is not paying attention or driving like a freaking lunatic... if they hit a kid/person due to their negligence(sp?) well it's the drivers fault not the kids... Second - Pete - you're welcome, but don't get used to it... still think you focus to much on bad cops, etc and it gets tiring... you have the right to your opinion... still being a former law enforcement... you come off incredibly bitter that it was someone else & not you... just my opinion... i believe in the PD and thank them for putting their lives on the line.... unfortunately there are bad apples in every organization... doesn't make 'em all bad.... unfortunately, i'm not going to video tape, etc.... good suggestion & thanks... .i'm the crazy lady that will run to the end of my yard & yell at the top of my lungs to slow the hell down... My stepmom always used to say - "you drive like hell you'll get there faster..."
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Post by Pete Richter on May 3, 2007 7:23:11 GMT -4
shorti.......What I say about bad cops is in the news paper first, not my opinion.........You state that freaking idiots are endangering the safety of children in your neighborhood, and your own children as well. By not taking action that could stop this illegal, and dangerous behavior, a child could be injured, or even killed....... Apparently your neighbors think your crazy for running to the end of your yard to yell at the top of your lungs for the idiots to slow the hell down. That's probably more than what your neighbors are willing to do.....I'll volunteer to take the video, and go to court with you shorti.
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Post by mikey on May 3, 2007 12:29:39 GMT -4
Hey Pete,
Help me understand the logistics of videotaping speeders and taking it to court. Sounds like a great idea in theory.
But how do you prove someone is going over the speed limit by videotaping them?
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Post by Annoyed on May 3, 2007 14:13:34 GMT -4
I would love to see speed humps on Lots Rd. and from Lots to Nichols Manor Dr. Every idiot with an exhaust or an excess of testosterone squeals around that stretch like their a$$ is on fire. And there isn't a sidewalk or even a shoulder to walk on. There have been at least 3 accidents there in the last few years.
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Post by outlaw on May 3, 2007 18:00:25 GMT -4
This law-abiding (or law biting, as same deputy puts it) citizen thinks the cops should stay away from the circle of doom unless they are there to wave through the nitwits who stop and sit there for 5 minutes trying to figure out what to do and then end up turning left into the circle.
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Post by Pete Richter on May 3, 2007 18:32:58 GMT -4
mikey......You need only prove that the speed for the existing conditions is too great........ Example: Rain so heavy that you can't see where you're driving- ice on the road - large demonstration of people in the street.......Shorti stated that the bad drivers were peeling out. This violation could be caught on film, and prosecuted by the courts with video evidence. Other than the Police taking action, is there a better way to abate the problem?
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Post by shorti on May 4, 2007 8:52:31 GMT -4
I think what my biggest point is here - the police should be sitting and waiting or patrolling here instead of 3 of them sitting on the side of route 50 waiting to get someone who is keeping with the flow of traffic... I shouldn't have to video tape if the police are doing their jobs...
annoyed guest - i'm with you & know EXACTLY where you are coming from!
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Post by kl on May 4, 2007 11:46:25 GMT -4
Hear, hear. The suggestions mean well, but why as citizens, should they be doing a policeman's job? If the citizens let the department know of the problems of speeding and reckless driving in their neighborhoods, and a cop's job is to protect and serve, shouldn't they protect and serve the citizens of the community?
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Post by shorti on May 4, 2007 12:01:55 GMT -4
AMEN!!!!!!!
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Post by bchevy on May 4, 2007 12:30:28 GMT -4
Hear, hear. The suggestions mean well, but why as citizens, should they be doing a policeman's job? If the citizens let the department know of the problems of speeding and reckless driving in their neighborhoods, and a cop's job is to protect and serve, shouldn't they protect and serve the citizens of the community? And there it is.. all lumped together, even the "deputy" should be able to comprehend that.
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Post by Same Deputy on May 4, 2007 20:19:58 GMT -4
Hear, hear. The suggestions mean well, but why as citizens, should they be doing a policeman's job? If the citizens let the department know of the problems of speeding and reckless driving in their neighborhoods, and a cop's job is to protect and serve, shouldn't they protect and serve the citizens of the community? And there it is.. all lumped together, even the "deputy" should be able to comprehend that. Yep! I hear you loud and clear. Got Ya. Is it okay by you that us law enforcement officers start ticketing motorists that are traveling above the posted speed limit. No need for you too video tape. Bad idea. The police will solve the problem and every other problem in the world. Thats what were there for. I love my job!
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Post by bchevy on May 4, 2007 22:16:13 GMT -4
Idiot.
It doesn't have to be OK by me, or anyone else on this board, or any other Joe Citizen. Just do your JOB.
There's still NO WAY you are a "Deputy".
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Post by Same Deputy on May 5, 2007 17:21:45 GMT -4
I do my job thank you as well as the other deputies do. We can give out tickets all day long and the citizens will be angry. The police can not issue citations and the public will still dislike the police. Here is the greatest part about law enforcement. It really doesn't matter if people like us or not. The police have to be there and it's not like going to Lowes if your not happy with Home Depot. The police are the only game in town for public safety. It's not like you can hire a private company to police your neighborhood or roads. If your not happy with your local or state law enforcement then your SOL. Crime is always going to be their and so are the men and woman who protect and serve.
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Post by Mike on May 5, 2007 20:52:34 GMT -4
amen deputy
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Post by bchevy on May 5, 2007 23:57:18 GMT -4
Idiot. It doesn't have to be OK by me, or anyone else on this board, or any other Joe Citizen. Just do your JOB. There's still NO WAY you are a "Deputy".
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