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Post by shoreman on Jul 31, 2007 17:54:49 GMT -4
More than likely trying to see what areas of the Maryland, DC, Virginia etc. etc. that the traffic is coming from. This data is probably going to be used along with a ton of other stuff in the final determination as to where the next bridge should go.
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Post by moosie on Jul 31, 2007 19:03:16 GMT -4
wow--this is getting so way off to[pic and into something else important, it should have its own thread!
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Post by bchevy on Jul 31, 2007 21:48:11 GMT -4
wow--this is getting so way off to[pic and into something else important, it should have its own thread! Funny how that works.... they KNOW where the traffic COMES FROM. They've studied it to DEATH. west, and south of here. DUH. People from the North go down the shore, NOT though here. Build a new 4, or 6 lane (minimum) crossing from Chesapeake beach area, over to Taylors Island/Rte 16 Cambridge, GAME OVER. No Brainer. Study THAT.
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Post by paranoid two on Aug 1, 2007 8:25:21 GMT -4
Build a new 4, or 6 lane (minimum) crossing from Chesapeake beach area, over to Taylors Island/Rte 16 Cambridge, GAME OVER. No Brainer. Study THAT. - The people in Calvert County don't want the bridge in thier backyard. - The bridge access would cross miles and miles of wetlands to reach Cambridge. The environmentalists would keep it tied up in courts for years.
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Post by Paranoid Two on Aug 1, 2007 8:26:39 GMT -4
That's why I don't get an ez-pass - the government can track your travel all up and down the East Coast.
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Post by BlueMule on Aug 1, 2007 8:57:10 GMT -4
That's why I don't get an ez-pass - the government can track your travel all up and down the East Coast. Every time you go through a toll booth, automated or not, cash, tickets, ezpass, your plate is scanned and tracked.
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Post by shadow1 on Aug 1, 2007 9:09:55 GMT -4
If you really want to be paranoid, how 'bout the chip added to your license plate by the state. Take a good look and you'll find it.
NOT!!!
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Post by einebierbitte on Aug 1, 2007 11:15:55 GMT -4
If you really want to be paranoid, how 'bout the chip added to your license plate by the state. Take a good look and you'll find it. NOT!!! LOL!!!
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Post by BlueMule on Aug 1, 2007 11:34:09 GMT -4
If you really want to be paranoid, how 'bout the chip added to your license plate by the state. Take a good look and you'll find it. NOT!!! ;D
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Post by qtboyforlife on Aug 1, 2007 11:51:42 GMT -4
wow--this is getting so way off to[pic and into something else important, it should have its own thread! Funny how that works.... they KNOW where the traffic COMES FROM. They've studied it to DEATH. west, and south of here. DUH. People from the North go down the shore, NOT though here. Build a new 4, or 6 lane (minimum) crossing from Chesapeake beach area, over to Taylors Island/Rte 16 Cambridge, GAME OVER. No Brainer. Study THAT. The second option is to go through Rock Hall, and they are not exactly apposed to the traffic. Only concern there is who pays for the up grades to the local infastructure and not raising local taxes to do it. I read the FED was approched about funding a new crossing and they are probably doing their own research to see what districts would be benefiting from it (state's have a history of not being accurate with their numbers for funds).
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Post by shorti on Aug 1, 2007 12:27:43 GMT -4
I know this is really far fetched but what about this??? A "local only" bridge... Instead of building another bridge for people to travel to the beach on - keep the ones we have for that and if they are going to build another bridge - why not it only for those who live on the shore??? A special ezpass or something... Just a thought...
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Post by baycitydan on Aug 1, 2007 12:45:17 GMT -4
I think that the quickest fix would be a 5 lane span right down the middle that changes traffic flow direction to which ever side needs it. Realistically, a double-decker (making 10 lanes) would be the best way to go - like the NYC bridges, but that will never happen. A tunnel would work too, and could come out completely past KI. I'm sure that 20 years from now everything will still be the same, just with double the traffic. Sad.
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Post by bchevy on Aug 1, 2007 19:37:28 GMT -4
South man, SOUTH.
Think about it, THAT's where the out of area traffic comes from, they wont use a northern route when they can go here 1st.
The tunnel past KI idea is a little cool, probably far fetched though, as is the 3rd crossing here.
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Post by falgar25 on Aug 1, 2007 20:31:15 GMT -4
I don't know. I thought South might be the way to go, but looking at a map and thinking about it, I'm not sure. It might actually make sense to put a bridge from Baltimore to Rock Hall.
There are four major cities in the area, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington, and Richmond. People from the Philly area could go down 301 to 50 or they could go down 95. Richmond people could go to VA Beach, go over the Bay Bridge-Tunnel, or take 95. That leaves Baltimore and Washington.
50 connects directly to the Washington Beltway so those people have a fairly straight shot to the Eastern Shore. Baltimore doesn't have a direct route to the Shore so they all need to head down 97 or 95 to get to 50 where they join with all the DC people and cause problems on the bridge. If there was a bridge from Baltimore to Rock Hall, it might encourage the Baltimore people to go that way and avoid the current bridge.
I don't know, maybe there's a reason why it won't work, but it seems to make some kind of sense to me.
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Post by bchevy on Aug 1, 2007 20:50:46 GMT -4
Richmond doesn't take the Bridge tunnel now, why should they start.
Philly to the beach, no need to be on the west side of the bridge, they're not in the mix now, and wont be.
Bridge traffic comes from the south & west to get to our shore, if they are going further north, they go 95 and don't hit the shore.
The need is for an alternate route to attract the southern & western traffic, Heck how about some truck traffic) away from here.
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Post by knowitall on Aug 2, 2007 8:58:49 GMT -4
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Post by mikey on Aug 2, 2007 14:05:36 GMT -4
That study was a crock of crap. Over two years and how many $$$ Their conclusions were: 1) Something was desperately needed 2) Nobody wanted in there back yard, but everybody wanted somewhere 3) They didn’t have the guts to make a recommendation, but somebody probably should.
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Post by bchevy on Aug 2, 2007 17:09:25 GMT -4
And besides that, Comptroller Goldstein bought up all that property in Calvert County COUNTING on a SOUTHERN ROUTE.....
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Post by know it all on Aug 3, 2007 9:34:49 GMT -4
That study was a crock of crap. Over two years and how many $$$ Their conclusions were: 1) Something was desperately needed 2) Nobody wanted in there back yard, but everybody wanted somewhere 3) They didn’t have the guts to make a recommendation, but somebody probably should. And what would another study tell us? I think that the plan is already in place. Watch what happens after improvements are made to 404 and US 50 on both sides of the bridge. The western shore legislators will get another bridge built at the current locatation so they can get to their OC condos.
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Post by mikey on Aug 3, 2007 12:15:56 GMT -4
Well, I used to think that the southern route was the only route that makes sense and everything else being discussed was just idiotic political avoidance.
I still believe that. But I am being swayed to the belief that another Kent Island span would be better than NOTHING.
Am I just being brainwashed? I so. Help me back to the light.
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Post by moosie on Aug 3, 2007 15:00:51 GMT -4
i'm not sure i see how another span here will help. it will not make rte 50 wider and move things along more quickly. also, once you build it, they will come--those who now think it is too tough a drive--and we will be right back where we started. it needs to be somewhere new to divert traffic. this is not nimby--it is already imby. another span could do a lot of damage here. a southern span might be a good thing--washingtonians could go there, hook up with the hilton in cambridge more easily, etc. that is a growing area--let's help it along, so to speak.
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Post by Frank on Aug 3, 2007 15:13:07 GMT -4
South would be the logical choice, from the Plum Pointe area of Calvert County to Cambridge area along rt 16. Traffic is less on rt 50 east at this time because of people taking 404 to the shore. This would defer a huge number of cars from DC and NOVA from the Bay Bridge, and push them further south. Looking at a map, it would probably shorten the trip as well. I'm sure it wouldn't elimate bridge traffic, but it would be much more manageable.
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Post by qtboyforlife on Aug 13, 2007 9:47:00 GMT -4
This is the study from 1964 and was put on hold untill existing infastructure supported the increased traffic (ie. Eastern Shore Approach/ Completion of Beltway(north), Rt. 16(south)). The northern route is cheaper (shallow water, not as high) and less of an enviromental impact, the downside is the infastructure would still need to be upgraded to support the traffic. www.roadstothefuture.com/Bay_Bridge_Loc_Studies_XL.jpg (EDIT: after looking at this again I just remembered, if anyone has been in Middle river area have you noticed rt 40 getting an expantion/ improvment? wonder whats in the works? Also 95 getting commuter lanes?) Summary of results from 2005 study.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Chesapeake_Bay_crossing_study#See_also
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Post by Ann on Aug 13, 2007 9:52:34 GMT -4
"once you build it, they will come" so true-so true
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