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Post by hisea on Sept 2, 2009 8:38:29 GMT -4
Van Jones appointed by Obama to be the green job CZAR is a avowed communist who hates America and the our constitution! He is a founding member of STORM which stands for STANDING TOGETHER to ORGANIZE a REVOLUTIONARY MOVEMENT. Which is a Marxist movement to over throw our government!
So how can anyone think that Obama has the best interest for us and the United States of America? This is just one of the czars that Obama has appointed to hurt our country. I believe in my and your freedoms, Do you? Look into the other 32 czars and be ready to stand up and ask your official why these men are allowed to serve without question from congress and We the People?
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Post by Frank on Sept 2, 2009 11:12:29 GMT -4
Don't seem so surprised. Members on this board have been criticized for speaking out against Obama and his socialist ideas. Something very wrong is going on here. People are too mesmerized by his charm to see what is happening. "Do not believe what you hear on conservative TV and radio. Follow me and only me, for I am the messiah! Sean Hannity and Glen Beck are the devil! I will lead you" Doesn't this message seem a little scary? This is what I hear from this administration. Now our tax dollars are being used for propaganda. We're heading down a really dark path right now. I don't know if it is the right path (maybe it is ??) but, I'm not comfortable at all. People seem to blindly follow this administration without questioning their actions for fear of being labeled unAmerican or a terrorist. The people should have the right to question their government without fear of retaliation.
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Post by funnel101 on Sept 2, 2009 11:59:41 GMT -4
Hitler: killed millions of people, started a World War, WAS NOT A COMMUNIST
Obama: talks about creating a government-run healthcare option, does other supposedly nefariously communist things, IS NOT A COMMUNIST
Somehow, I fail to see the connection...
PS: The communist dictator who killed millions of his own people was Stalin. *waits for the Obama is Stalin!!! bs to begin*
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Post by Frank on Sept 2, 2009 12:33:58 GMT -4
funnel, are you happy with the way things are going? Goverment in the health care business, goverment in the auto industry, goverment in the insurance business, goverment in the housing market, goverment invading every aspect of our lives. Where are we heading? We will be taxed heavily because spending is out of control. Stimulus money is being spent recklessly and the people are not receiving the benefit. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't like the way we are heading.
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Post by deputy on Sept 2, 2009 12:46:29 GMT -4
Obama APPOINTED HIM, I think THAT would eb the connection. Did ANYONE call Obama a commy?
A socialist yes, Communist I haven't seen
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2009 14:05:23 GMT -4
Don't political appointees have to go through some type of vetting process conducted by the FBI that would have raised a "red" flag on Van Jones?
Funnel101, you are correct on history. Hitler was not a commy, he wasn't a socialist either by his actions. He was a German nationalist. The superior white, blue eyed, blond hair master race at the top of the pecking order with the Jews on the bottom. It's the reason white supremacy groups use Hitler for their propaganda. Hitler might have started a socialist movement ideology to motivate the people to get what he wanted, but he secretly had other plans for the master race. I don't see the connection with what Hitler did and Obama regarding socialism.
If the extremes that some people think will happen with government running everything for ever.....that's socialism. I don't want it and I think most don't. Personally, I see more of a nationalist movement in the country than a socialist movement. That's an even scarier scenario..........and I think will probably end up with violence that can't be good for the country.
Socialism Nationalism Communism Marxism Fascism Dictatorship Monarchy
They have some similarities, but are not the same. The founding fathers wanted a democracy, not any of those others.
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Post by kl on Sept 2, 2009 14:49:19 GMT -4
funnel, are you happy with the way things are going? Goverment in the health care business, goverment in the auto industry, goverment in the insurance business, goverment in the housing market, goverment invading every aspect of our lives. Where are we heading? We will be taxed heavily because spending is out of control. Stimulus money is being spent recklessly and the people are not receiving the benefit. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't like the way we are heading. 1)The government has been in the healthcare business. It's called Medicare. And what would the republicans suggest? I think we can agree that the Insurance companies are the ones we are most angry at. Talk with a medical biller, or anyone who works in the medical field, who has to deal with insurance companies on a daily basis for reimbursement. Those guys do what for those monthly premiums? Surgery? MRI's? Catscans? 2)Where were the complaints with the initial 700 billion dollar bailout. Tarp? What did Bush say? They were too big to fail? Well with that bailout, Bank of America bought what company? and JP Morgan? Seems that initial bailout, allowed these big corporations to get even bigger. Where were those complaints. 3) In the previous administration, any protester at a RNC funded rally, was subject to arrest. At least with Obama, this administration has allowed all voices, and all people to speak their minds, and express their thoughts. 4) He hasn't been in office for 12 months, give it time. If you are not happy, let them know in the voting booth in 2012. I hear you Frank.. I'm not to pleased with many steps taken by Obama, but lets not forget the senate, and congress all those members play a part in what's happening too.
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Post by kl on Sept 2, 2009 14:50:23 GMT -4
Van Jones appointed by Obama to be the green job CZAR is a avowed communist who hates America and the our constitution! He is a founding member of STORM which stands for STANDING TOGETHER to ORGANIZE a REVOLUTIONARY MOVEMENT. Which is a Marxist movement to over throw our government! So how can anyone think that Obama has the best interest for us and the United States of America? This is just one of the czars that Obama has appointed to hurt our country. I believe in my and your freedoms, Do you? Look into the other 32 czars and be ready to stand up and ask your official why these men are allowed to serve without question from congress and We the People? My freedoms? That's awfully nice of you. I think if you have issues, stop the whining and start a revolution.
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Post by jetdoc on Sept 2, 2009 15:27:36 GMT -4
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Post by Frank on Sept 2, 2009 16:09:31 GMT -4
Just unbelievable! Crap like this was never allowed during previous administrations.
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Post by shorti on Sept 2, 2009 16:31:34 GMT -4
KL - I know that's part of my problem w/ govt run healthcare.... medicare... they did a good job of screwing that up - look at social security... same thing... Do i think that the govt should have some sort of regulation or "control" over the health insurance companies and that there should be some sort of reform - yes! but i don't have any faith in the govt being able to run a health program efficiently... However like you said - it's not just Obama... but it's congress... yes... but aren't they majority democrat? so they will more than likely "side" w/ the leadership.. there will be some that don't btu I think they will be far outnumbered by those that do... congress gets me gritting my teeth anyway - they get their benefits, when they retire - same package as when employed... WTH? who has that kind of fringe benefit??? yet, my dad passes - was on social security, my step mom wasn't working & hadn't been for years & when he passed because she wasn't 62 1/2 yet, she lost the only income she had! That's wrong... but dead congressman wives/husbands don't lose their pension or whatever you want to call it... It's frustrating... very very frustrating...
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Post by emsguru on Sept 2, 2009 16:34:47 GMT -4
Obama APPOINTED HIM, I think THAT would eb the connection. Did ANYONE call Obama a commy? A socialist yes, Communist I haven't seen Every one of our major allies are "socialists" in the definition of government involvement in healthcare. However we have no problem with them sending their soldiers to help out in wars we start. If every major western industralized nation has some form of nationalized healthcare and the U.S. is the only one who has not adopted nationalized healthcare. Who is the one country who is behind the 8 ball. In response to KI's post I have worked in a local pharmacy for several years and also as a Paramedic. I've seen many persons come to the pharmacy with a doctor prescribed medication and their insurance not cover the medication. Some times it is someones four to five thousand dollar cancer medication they won't cover. Down to simple blood pressure medications. The patients who had Medicaid had the least problems getting any medications approved for payment. The notion that government run healthcare is worse than insurance is absurd. The people who seem to say that have not seen what I've seen or do not deal with insurance companies on a regular basis like I have. For those who have prescription insurance you have noticed that certain medications are covered and some are not. Some have a lower copay and the non prefered have a higher. You might ask yourself why is this? The reasoning for this is because the drug companies and the insurance companies work together to save the insurance companies money. How they do this is the drug companies will give the insurance companies a kick back to make their drug prefered to boost sales. So what this means is in an effort for the insurance companies to save money they tell your doctor what is best for you. If you do not comply they charge you more. Insurance companies and drug companies are for profit companies in which the CEO's and stock holders only thought is to make more money. Not to help the sick. useless trivia. But while my former boss was in pharmacy school. He was told "if drug companies sold a ford taurus, it would cost $70,000"
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Post by jetdoc on Sept 2, 2009 16:35:19 GMT -4
They couldnt even execute "cash for clunkers" with out messing that up...You think I want them to get anywhere near my health care
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Post by bchevy on Sept 2, 2009 17:54:13 GMT -4
If every major western industralized nation has some form of nationalized healthcare and the U.S. is the only one who has not adopted nationalized healthcare. Who is the one country who is behind the 8 ball. Oh No you didn't.... Because it is, so it should be? Who is behind the 8 ball? When citizens of those other countries come here for healthcare? Are you serious? Our system is the BEST in the world, that's why they come here and these morons want to tear it apart. PARTS of it are broke, NOT ALL OF IT. MOST AMERICANS HAVE HEALTH CARE AND ARE HAPPY WITH IT. The DEMS are playing party politics AGAIN and playing fuzzy math with the numbers. If people would find out the TRUTH and not listen to the NIGHTLY NEWS I'm sure there would be a lot MORE people against this idiotic bill. WHY does the WHOLE SYSTEM need to be turned on it's ear?
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Post by bchevy on Sept 2, 2009 17:54:44 GMT -4
They couldnt even execute "cash for clunkers" with out messing that up...You think I want them to get anywhere near my health care Exact-o-mundo
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Post by hisea on Sept 2, 2009 21:16:38 GMT -4
For those of you that are blinded by the shine of Obama, The czars were not vetted and were not approved by congress! We can't even find out how much they get paid! So who is in charge of them? To make light of the the czars who are directing change to our country is foolish.
Did you know any terrorist? I don't! I have never meet a terrorist in my life, but Obama has 3 as friends who give him advice! One of the founding members of the weather underground even help write the stimulus bill!
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Post by hisea on Sept 2, 2009 21:45:31 GMT -4
The Internet, healthcare, cars and czars, Obama now wants to indoctrinate our school kids with a big speech to all the schools. What's next? Make our kids swear allegiance to Obama! Fear for your Freedoms!
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Post by hisea on Sept 2, 2009 22:23:28 GMT -4
KI I don't want to start a revolution, I want to stop a revolution! All thru history political system have been overthrown from within! Don't want that to happened here in the U.S.A. Support Freedom!
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Post by kl on Sept 3, 2009 7:42:39 GMT -4
Anyone familiar with Tricare? Soldiers? Spouses, Children? Now Tricare can show the rest of the industry how it's done.
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Post by einebierbitte on Sept 3, 2009 8:38:09 GMT -4
Anyone familiar with Tricare? Soldiers? Spouses, Children? Now Tricare can show the rest of the industry how it's done. I am familiar with TRICARE..... It's not a great system and comes with it's own major headaches.
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Post by hisea on Sept 3, 2009 13:18:09 GMT -4
What does Tricare have to do with a czar that was appointed by Obama? Van Jones was a founder of STORM which means STANDING TOGETHER to ORGANIZE a REVOLUTIONARY MOVEMENT. Now he is paid with our tax dollars to advise Obama. Why is a marxist even on the payroll of the United States let alone giving Obama advice? I want this man removed from the payroll!
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Post by funnel101 on Sept 3, 2009 13:38:18 GMT -4
You do realize that he was in STORM like 15 years ago? And, frankly, that group doesn't sound that scary, to me. And the groups he's been after that are ones that shouldn't scare anyone, unless you're terrified of progressives.
STORM was a "group explicitly committed to revolutionary Marxist politics[12] whose points of unity were revolutionary democracy, revolutionary feminism, revolutionary internationalism, the central role of the working class, urban Marxism, and Third World Communism." (according to Wikipedia, which I know might not be the best source, but it's usually pretty unbiased)
Marxism, by the way, is not the same as communism. Marx's basic tenet was that by people owning property, there are two groups of people: owners and laborers, and that laborers were made less human by the detachment of the work they did and who the profit went to. To correct this, Marx wanted the abolishment of all ownership, public AND private. This does not mean the state would control everything, which is how Marx's works have been misused historically.
To be fair, I'm not sure w hat the terms "urban Marxism" and "third world communism" refer to specifically. But from what I've read, it just seems like Van Jones is a radical progressive, not someone intent on overthrowing our government...
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Post by bchevy on Sept 3, 2009 19:06:41 GMT -4
Make our kids swear allegiance to Obama! Fear for your Freedoms! THAT'S IN THAT "PLEDGE" VIDEO!
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Post by hisea on Sept 3, 2009 20:34:36 GMT -4
Hey thanks for the info, but right up till February Van Jones was a avowed communist can't change that. As far as what political system that Obama is work we will have to wait and see. I can see its not a Republic! At first I thought it was socialism, now it't either marxism or communism.
My dislike of Obama and his agenda is the results for my love of freedom and my country! Progressive is just another word for communism, So your o.k. with that?
Now I also know obamas czars are not really czars but they are also communist and socialist, why can't we find out how much they make? Strange that people only see what they want. I support Freedom do you!
Revolutionary democracy,revolutionary feminism, revolutionary internationalism, urban Marxism? Call it what you want, the Obama admin is making the change that He campaigned on. Looks like the revolt comes from within.
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Post by misternuke on Sept 3, 2009 23:53:26 GMT -4
You do realize that he was in STORM like 15 years ago? And, frankly, that group doesn't sound that scary, to me. And the groups he's been after that are ones that shouldn't scare anyone, unless you're terrified of progressives. STORM was a "group explicitly committed to revolutionary Marxist politics[12] whose points of unity were revolutionary democracy, revolutionary feminism, revolutionary internationalism, the central role of the working class, urban Marxism, and Third World Communism." (according to Wikipedia, which I know might not be the best source, but it's usually pretty unbiased) Marxism, by the way, is not the same as communism. Marx's basic tenet was that by people owning property, there are two groups of people: owners and laborers, and that laborers were made less human by the detachment of the work they did and who the profit went to. To correct this, Marx wanted the abolishment of all ownership, public AND private. This does not mean the state would control everything, which is how Marx's works have been misused historically. To be fair, I'm not sure w hat the terms "urban Marxism" and "third world communism" refer to specifically. But from what I've read, it just seems like Van Jones is a radical progressive, not someone intent on overthrowing our government... I don't understand why Commies always seem to want to disavow their true allegiances when pressed on the issue. I'd have a lot more respect for them if they would actually wear their colors with pride. The problem there is that they know most Americans find the leftist agenda inpalatable. That's why they always need to find new labels for their form of tyranny....if "radical progressive" is what you want to call it, then fine. It still walks, quacks and swims like a duck.
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