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Post by bchevy on Sept 19, 2009 21:35:23 GMT -4
Civilized countries take care of their own. ..............and if WE would stop providing the 10's or 100's of MILLIONS OF $$$$$ of healthcare to ILLEGALS maybe we could do better for OUR OWN. Stop all the waste, fraud and abuse in Medicade, Medicare, Social Security. JUST the W, F, & A in those 3 would pay for ANY AND ALL Healthcare anyone in our country would ever need.
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Post by bchevy on Sept 19, 2009 21:37:53 GMT -4
So we found Palin's death panel. Invisible User. You oughtta read that 1st bill and see whose death panel is where..... No death panel here.
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Post by truthhurts on Sept 19, 2009 22:22:41 GMT -4
Seriously Invisible User.
Calm down.
Before you have a coronary.
Hopefully you have the good fortune to not have a pre-existing condition, not have been laid-off from your job, and have an affordable health care plan.
If you don't, while I don't have a problem with some fraction of a cent of my taxes paying for your time spent in hospital, there are a lot of Republican's out there that would prefer you just went away.
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Post by bchevy on Sept 19, 2009 22:35:23 GMT -4
TH I'm calm, and no coronary at least for a while. BTW welcome to the board and how about getting your ears dry before giving out directions.....
I WORK for what I have. whatever it is and as good or bad as it is, it's mine. my money, my choice, and I can change healthcare, or jobs when ever I want. It's called CHOICE. I'm good at what I do and I can sell my self well and my work proves my point. Not everyone can say that and back it up.
I have no problem HELPING people or the gov't helping people who CAN'T help themselves. not at all. That's not what this is going to do and not what it's about.
Look around before you play the party card. There's plenty of wishy washy politics being played here on both sides of the aisle. The dems have the numbers but don't have the votes? I don't want politicans playing politics with my heathcare thank you.
money and control control and money
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Post by truthhurts on Sept 19, 2009 22:40:03 GMT -4
Civilized countries take care of their own. ..............and if WE would stop providing the 10's or 100's of MILLIONS OF $$$$$ of healthcare to ILLEGALS maybe we could do better for OUR OWN. Stop all the waste, fraud and abuse in Medicade, Medicare, Social Security. JUST the W, F, & A in those 3 would pay for ANY AND ALL Healthcare anyone in our country would ever need. You mentioned in an earlier post that calling 911 results in care. As it should. While I agree that non-citizens should not be provided taxpayer assisted health care, the result is the same. Should one have to show proof of citizenship before being provided care? Waste, fraud and abuse is also found in private healthcare providers. It would be truly interesting to see what the dollars are in private systems. Bet they're higher. Who pays for that? I know someone who worked for a major healthcare system with offices in Woodlawn. Their facility was housed in a warehouse. The upstairs was used by the two guys who ran that office. The entire upstairs floorspace was divided into two offices, both totally decorated and a HUGE collection of antiques. Dollar value of the furniture would have been huge. Your UHC dollars at work.
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Post by truthhurts on Sept 19, 2009 22:46:35 GMT -4
I WORK for what I have. whatever it is and as good or bad as it is, it's mine. my money, my choice, and I can change healthcare, or jobs when ever I want. It's called CHOICE. I'm good at what I do and I can sell my self well and my work proves my point. Not everyone can say that and back it up. I have no problem HELPING people or the gov't helping people who CAN'T help themselves. not at all. That's not what this is going to do and not what it's about. Your choice of provider doesn't change. What's the problem? A public option, for those who can't find a provider is just that. 45,000 per year die because of a lack of affordable healthcare. This needs to change. The Democrats have a plan. The Republicans have offered nothing to fix the problem. BTW, did you know that spousal abuse is considered an existing condition? Legislation to make this illegal was voted down, by guess who? Republicans. mariopiperni.com/republican-party/republicans-cold-and-conscienceless.phpA new low for the party of shame.
It turns out that in eight states, plus the District of Columbia, getting beaten up by your spouse is a pre-existing condition.
Under the cold logic of the insurance industry, it makes perfect sense: If you are in a marriage with someone who has beaten you in the past, you’re more likely to get beaten again than the average person and are therefore more expensive to insure.
In human terms, it’s a second punishment for a victim of domestic violence.
Ugly enough…but it gets worse.
In 2006, Democrats tried to end the practice. An amendment introduced by Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), now a member of leadership, split the Health Education Labor & Pensions Committee 10-10. The tie meant that the measure failed. All ten no votes were Republicans
There’s been plenty of opportunities to feel disgust for republicans but today they take me to a new place. Their actions are inexcusable and is another vivid reminder of who they are and what they represent. For all their talk of patriotism and love of country, they once again reveal themselves to be the ugliest part of America. Their callous and cold view of their fellow citizens, devoid of compassion, appears to have no bounds. For Republicans, taking care of the insurance industry takes precedence over the needs of battered women.
If it gets more disgusting than that, I don’t know how.
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Post by Water Lady on Sept 20, 2009 0:25:55 GMT -4
Hey - Truth Hurts - How about answering the original question:
PICK ONE THING...
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Post by truthhurts on Sept 20, 2009 0:27:40 GMT -4
Hey - Truth Hurts - How about answering the original question: PICK ONE THING... Easy. Health care for all. A Right. Not a privledge. It's the right thing to do.
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Post by Water Lady on Sept 20, 2009 0:30:00 GMT -4
Hey - Truth Hurts - How about answering the original question: PICK ONE THING... Easy. Health care for all. A Right. Not a privledge. I can't seem to find that in the Constitution. Can you help me find it?
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Post by truthhurts on Sept 20, 2009 0:35:10 GMT -4
Easy. Health care for all. A Right. Not a privledge. I can't seem to find that in the Constitution. Can you help me find it? There needs to be a Constitutional Amendment to do the right thing? Since when? Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and a myriad of other Federal and local programs don't require such. I suppose we should abolish Veteran's Hospital's under your plan since they too aren't mandated under the Constitution?
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Post by Water Lady on Sept 20, 2009 0:41:40 GMT -4
When individuals are "required" to do something or "penalized" for not doing something, it is not Constitutional; at least where this issue is concerned.
Some of us are just sick and tired of barely having enough to take care of ourselves and constantly being "forced" to pay for others.
Maybe if someone could invent a medication for that, paid for by government subsidies, force all of the "worker-bees" to take it...things would be really different...
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Post by falgar25 on Sept 20, 2009 3:41:31 GMT -4
If you don't, while I don't have a problem with some fraction of a cent of my taxes paying for your time spent in hospital, there are a lot of Republican's out there that would prefer you just went away. Good for you if you want to pay more taxes. I assume it's your money, I assume you worked for it, so spend it the way you want. BUT KEEP YOUR HANDS OUT OF MY POCKETS! As Water Lady wrote:
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Post by moosie on Sept 20, 2009 6:35:19 GMT -4
Why do many people from the other 36 countries come to USA to pay out of pocket for their healthcare? You don't see people from the USA going elsewhere unless it is for something like a boobjob or experiemental therapies. isn't it true that many people come to this country for medical care because of the quality of our doctors and facilities? they come because of the skilled specialists, and they come for major issues, not routine care.
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Post by bchevy on Sept 20, 2009 7:15:19 GMT -4
Hey - Truth Hurts - How about answering the original question: PICK ONE THING... Easy. Health care for all. A Right. Not a privledge. It's the right thing to do. BUT, isn't it already a RIGHT (without any CHANGE) for a citizen of this country to CHOOSE not to have healthcare, or health insurance? The system isn't broke, only parts of it. If you have an exhaust leak on your car, would you replace the brakes to fix the exhaust?
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Post by truthhurts on Sept 20, 2009 9:43:24 GMT -4
BUT, isn't it already a RIGHT (without any CHANGE) for a citizen of this country to CHOOSE not to have healthcare, or health insurance? The system isn't broke, only parts of it. ...and exactly what's happening. Standard private insurance goes nowhere. You can remain with your provider if you are satisfied with it. The health care bill proposes to provide insurance for those who can't get insurance for whatever reason. Even O'Reilly is for it:
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Post by falgar25 on Sept 20, 2009 10:05:41 GMT -4
...and exactly what's happening. Standard private insurance goes nowhere. You can remain with your provider if you are satisfied with it. The health care bill proposes to provide insurance for those who can't get insurance for whatever reason. I might be able to get behind, "can't get insurance for whatever reason," but when "can't" becomes "choose not to" or "should not" then there is a problem. What the health care bills propose to do and how it will all turn out are likely to be two different things. Along the way there will be a number of unintended consequences. When the proponents of the bills speak to the more glaring problems (deficits, debt, taxes, loss of choice, increased cost) in any meaningful way, I will be listening.
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Post by bchevy on Sept 20, 2009 11:09:15 GMT -4
BUT, isn't it already a RIGHT (without any CHANGE) for a citizen of this country to CHOOSE not to have healthcare, or health insurance? The system isn't broke, only parts of it. ...and exactly what's happening. Standard private insurance goes nowhere. You can remain with your provider if you are satisfied with it. The health care bill proposes to provide insurance for those who can't get insurance for whatever reason. And that's part of it, if someone is a bad risk for business in the private industry, WHY is it a good idea for the gov't to take it on? The private industry WILL go nowhere with this bill. IF you had read it and I can tell by your comments THAT YOU HAVE NOT, You would see in the bill where IF THERE IS ANY CHANGE TO YOUR INSURANCE, YOU MUST GO WITH THE "PUBLIC OPTION" It's in there, go find it. The people that are upset are the ones who have looked into this, READ A LOT OF IT, and can tell a bad bill when they see it. Cripes, most of these aholes on capitol hill don't even read the dang bill so how can they know what's in it? Republicans had the white house for 8 years, correct, but they did not have congress and congress approved ALL OF IT. I'll take an ousted dictator over this screwed up bill any day.
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Post by truthhurts on Sept 20, 2009 12:20:38 GMT -4
There is a mandate for coverage, whether through private insurance or otherwise, true. It does NOT require a change to the public option in the event of a change in coverage. This is FALSE, and one more lie the conservatives are pushing in order to continue feeding at the trough. Now that's good buisness!
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Post by bchevy on Sept 20, 2009 12:28:46 GMT -4
There is a mandate for coverage, whether through private insurance or otherwise, true. It does NOT require a change to the public option in the event of a change in coverage. This is FALSE, and one more lie the conservatives are pushing in order to continue feeding at the trough. Now that's good buisness! It's in that 1000+ page monstrasicty that you haven't looked through. Along with modified IRS language and the death counseling And powers that usurp the courts and appeals system. Go look, I dare ya.
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Post by truthhurts on Sept 20, 2009 12:55:22 GMT -4
Cite your source and prove me wrong. I double dare ya. (Fixed News does not count)
BTW, I have downloaded and looked through both the House and Senate bills.
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Post by RobMoore on Sept 20, 2009 13:14:42 GMT -4
You can discount what he says as "lies, hate and racist views" in one post, and use him as a support to your argument in another.
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Post by truthhurts on Sept 20, 2009 13:18:35 GMT -4
You can discount what he says as "lies, hate and racist views" in one post, and use him as a support to your argument in another. Sorry... more for comic relief. Now if I could find the one where Beck whines about the health care system after his brain sur... I mean hemorrhoid operation a year or so ago... ;D Now THAT'S quality entertainment!
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Post by moosie on Sept 21, 2009 11:49:20 GMT -4
i think this is it, truth hurts.
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Post by truthhurts on Sept 25, 2009 19:34:32 GMT -4
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Post by safetildecember on Sept 25, 2009 19:35:40 GMT -4
The New York Times and CBS? ROFL
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