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Post by safetildecember on Oct 24, 2009 15:48:58 GMT -4
With the way things are going in today's economy, many families cannot afford to take care of their immediate family much less a family member that is disabled and not able to get assistance. The majority of tax dollars is not going for Social Security and welfare programs, that is a drop in the bucket compared to things like entitlements to expoliticians.
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Post by lynn on Oct 24, 2009 16:21:40 GMT -4
I am one of the people who believes families should take care of their own family; lynn--i don;t get it--your other issues aside--but how can you make the assumption that someone has other family? some people have no family. some people have no family able to help. there are just so many reasons why someone might need a leg up, even if just for a time. i don't see how you can be so harsh. listen... I would not cut people off who have no other assistance who are in dire needs. My point is that all automatic benefits would go to those 3 catagories that I mentioned: the blind, people missing both hands, and those who are profoundly retarded. That is where I would set the bar, other people would still be able to apply for benefits but it would a process that the people are verified (after the fact with fraud inspections etc.).
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Post by lynn on Oct 24, 2009 16:25:44 GMT -4
Exackly..moosie...Not everyone lives JUST like they do and has family nearby or friends who are available.....Rather than just reacting to the problem and complaining, what do you propose that we do for those people? Get out of your dream world here and wake up.. I don't know you but I'm not in the dream world. I see reality every day. I give tons of my money helping these people and have volunteered most of my life helping those who are less fortunate.
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Post by lynn on Oct 24, 2009 16:26:48 GMT -4
BWT...Ive just heard that the Upper Eastern Shore Community Mental Health Center will be closed this year due to budget cuts...We will soon see the consequences of that as people complain about increased wait lines in ERs, more drug abuse, homelessness, more people on disability because they cant get PREVENTATIVE care at a clinic thats been closed. Ouch. I usually avoid calling politicians--emailing is so much easier--but when I heard about that being a possibility, I got off my butt and made the phone call. Guess it didn't make any difference. I called too. That is a shame.
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Post by lynn on Oct 24, 2009 16:36:30 GMT -4
Funnel..you point out several major points most dont consider when they dont want to support those who are disabled....because they dont have to live it and its not their experience....Nor do they get it that their complaints about social and medical problems: drug abuse, doemstic violence, homelessness, increased illness is DIRECTLY related to axing SS to people that need it.. People just dont connect the dots here or understand that there is a direct correlation between survivial and huge increases in social problems...They dont "go away" because they withhold funding like SS...Unfortunately, most people have to have their noses rubbed in the sh.it awhile before they "Get It". Id like for the naysayers to find jobs for people who can only work 2 hours a day...They wont find its an easy task....Have any of you ever had to do that? ..I had to do that and they have no idea how impossible it was to get employers to allow employees to work two hours a day...Lets see YOU find appropriate work for funnel and millions of others on disability who can only work very part time.. Plus when someone has a husband to support them financially because they are are married, it is managable to not work...I think alot of married people who have been that way all/most of their adult lives are clueless as to how it is for those who are single and far away from family...Friends of singles also work and cant do the day to day things you need when you are sick/disabled...churches can only do so much..When I was single and had a broken leg, I experienced this first hand....I didnt have a husband to pay for my housing and utilities and gas and food ...I found long term married women were clueless as to how difficult my situation was ... it was easy for them to be unrealistic about whats managable when their husband is paying for everything....Ditto for the young adults who still lived with their parents and had their rent reduced and their laundry done by mom who cooked for them and went food shopping for them while they bought fancy cars and ipods and iphones and tickets for concerts.....They dont have much of a leg to stand on when they are being supported financially by someone else and yet are complaining about THEIR taxes...Hypocrite comes to mind. The system is full of people who do need their SSI and a few that are milking the system..Thats the reality, not what you hear from Faux News and Bill OReilly and the fat ass pundits who's only goal is to incite fear in the public, spread division, and fuel scapegoating by targeting ill people..And it isnt them thats bankrupting the system either...what a big fat lie....Insurance company waste and pharm companies account for the vast majority of waste...why dont you target them?.....I find it amazing that people are so scared and intimidated to confront this.....Social Security for the disabled is a drop in the bucket compared to the billion dollar waste of the health insurance industries..... People against this should go talk to single people who are disabled, single mothers and the mentally ill, the homeless, people fleeing domestic violence,.... work with them, and get away from the couch and the TV set...Find out what reality is before you judge ...and vote... BWT...Ive just heard that the Upper Eastern Shore Community Mental Health Center will be closed this year due to budget cuts...We will soon see the consequences of that as people complain about increased wait lines in ERs, more drug abuse, homelessness, more people on disability because they cant get PREVENTATIVE care at a clinic thats been closed. Three years from now, I will just shake my head at the complainers and say "Oh, Oh, duh, duh, thats what you wanted and voted for...Better think about the CONSEQUENCES of your decision to ax it next time" You seem to feel that those of us who are on the conservative side of this matter have no compassion. I have a lot of compassion for everyone who is bad off and I would love to be able to help them. The problem is there is so much fraud going around on all ends that the middle class is getting squeezed. On the matter of the health care bill, most of the very liberal seem to think that all problems would be solved if this bill passes. Again, I would like some health reform.... I just don't like this bill.
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Post by funnel101 on Oct 24, 2009 16:42:37 GMT -4
Here's a question for you, Lynn: if it would cost more money to find the people milking the system than it currently costs to pay their benefits, would you still be for it? I'm asking because I wonder if this isn't the current situation: that most people are legit and that it would cost more money to weed out those who aren't than it would to keep paying their benefits.
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Post by funnel101 on Oct 24, 2009 16:48:36 GMT -4
lynn--i don;t get it--your other issues aside--but how can you make the assumption that someone has other family? some people have no family. some people have no family able to help. there are just so many reasons why someone might need a leg up, even if just for a time. i don't see how you can be so harsh. listen... I would not cut people off who have no other assistance who are in dire needs. My point is that all automatic benefits would go to those 3 catagories that I mentioned: the blind, people missing both hands, and those who are profoundly retarded. That is where I would set the bar, other people would still be able to apply for benefits but it would a process that the people are verified (after the fact with fraud inspections etc.). When I applied for SSDI, I thought it was utterly ridiculous and a waste of time and money--mine and theirs--that they denied my claim without even looking at any of medical records. I thought at the time that, hey, if someone has more than 5 years of medical records backing up their claim, perhaps this applicant is worth looking into. SSDI/SSI does conduct reviews for most disabled recipients. It happens every 1-3 years, I think. I'm one of the few who doesn't get reviewed (that I know of; Social Security offices are hard to get concrete information out of, so I may be in for a surprise next year), but I also have a very long-standing disability and most who apply don't have such an extensive medical history. Knowing how difficult it is to qualify for SSDI/SSI, would you want to make it harder to get or harder to keep?
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Post by stephadele on Oct 24, 2009 16:53:04 GMT -4
Lynn...I must say you have a lot to learn about the disabled if those are only your three categories. People with Schizophrenia just dont get better...They stabilize on medication but they will NEVER be able to work full time in a job. They will ALWAYS need to be on disability..So why deny them what they need? Ditto for many others with severe Bipolar Disorder and complex PTSD.....People abused severely as children have PTSD and suffer from PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE..thats right..the brain is damaged neurologically which makes them unable to process normal cerebral functioning like others......Those are "real" diseases"....That includes many of our vets who cant work full time ....Vietnam vets make up some of the largest samples of homeless men already...WHY would you want to add to the problem?.....Forcing them to be impoverished and homeless because you take away their disability just makes things worse, not better...and more expensive for you the tax payer....Do your really want that? You can try to ignore the problem and deny people social security but the complications of that will just follow you. Wouldnt you rather have been working at SOMETHING rather than being homeless because you the taxpayer axed their disability??? You the tax payer are being squeezed because of corruption at the corporate level....Put your anger where it belongs..at the Walmarts and Glaxo Smith Kleins and BCBSs of this world....They are ones who are shrinking your dollars.....Nonprofits helping people on social security take a small fraction of your taxes...and they are poorly funded to begin with and so badly needed...I had waiting lists every year for my career employment program for the disabled on social security...Just not enough services to go around...So please dont ax their SS when they are already underserved and impoverished to begin with.....That only results in more homeless people with untreated severe mental illnesses who arent working, doing NOTHING.... If you feel its such a shame, Lynn, why do you vote to nix funds for it?...When you vote against SS and funds for the homeless and substance abuse treatment , you vote against the people who need this desperately.....Why hasnt the Kent Island community worked together to stop the closing of this clinic in Chestertown?....It looks like it was the only one they had in that area.....That is shameful.....I havent read anywhere here that large numbers of people have gotten off their asses and put aside the Censored Bad Word Hereing and moaning about "not my taxes" and done something about this.....Im really disgusted by this....As a former mental health professional, Im glad Im not seeing the suffering caused by this..too heart breaking....People dont seem to care about the mentally ill and abused children...Oh, well, it will come back to haunt them.. ...Selfish bastards consumed by greed and brainwashed by the media fear moguls...Are they so ignorant they cant see beyond their fear??....Im beginning to think so. I hope Im wrong... Im not referring to all those who have worked to keep the clinic in Chestertown open....I dont mean them....Its the complainers who dont do a thing to stop this that Im confronting. If you arent a part of the solution, you are part of the problem.. As far as SS being "easy" to get on, that is a lie...the process is horrendous.....Funnel is absolutely correct...Most of my clients were DENIED 2 and 3 times before they actually got on SS....That is routine practice.....I echo her question of why would anyone want to make it harder to maintain their SS once they qualify?....Every year to 3 years, everyone is monitored for eligibility with a fine toothed comb....They have been thru the ringer enough..Many live in fear of losing it, adding to their deteriorated mental state.
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Post by lynn on Oct 24, 2009 17:34:37 GMT -4
listen... I would not cut people off who have no other assistance who are in dire needs. My point is that all automatic benefits would go to those 3 catagories that I mentioned: the blind, people missing both hands, and those who are profoundly retarded. That is where I would set the bar, other people would still be able to apply for benefits but it would a process that the people are verified (after the fact with fraud inspections etc.). Knowing how difficult it is to qualify for SSDI/SSI, would you want to make it harder to get or harder to keep? BOTH
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Post by lynn on Oct 24, 2009 17:40:25 GMT -4
Lynn...I must say you have a lot to learn about the disabled if those are only your three categories. People with Schizophrenia just dont get better...They stabilize on medication but they will NEVER be able to work full time in a job. They will ALWAYS need to be on disability..So why deny them what they need? Ditto for many others with severe Bipolar Disorder and complex PTSD.....People abused severely as children have PTSD and suffer from PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE..thats right..the brain is damaged neurologically which makes them unable to process normal cerebral functioning like others......Those are "real" diseases"....That includes many of our vets who cant work full time ....Vietnam vets make up some of the largest samples of homeless men already...WHY would you want to add to the problem?.....Forcing them to be impoverished and homeless because you take away their disability just makes things worse, not better...and more expensive for you the tax payer....Do your really want that? You can try to ignore the problem and deny people social security but the complications of that will just follow you. Wouldnt you rather have been working at SOMETHING rather than being homeless because you the taxpayer axed their disability??? You the tax payer are being squeezed because of corruption at the corporate level....Put your anger where it belongs..at the Walmarts and Glaxo Smith Kleins and BCBSs of this world....They are ones who are shrinking your dollars.....Nonprofits helping people on social security take a small fraction of your taxes...and they are poorly funded to begin with and so badly needed...I had waiting lists every year for my career employment program for the disabled on social security...Just not enough services to go around...So please dont ax their SS when they are already underserved and impoverished to begin with.....That only results in more homeless people with untreated severe mental illnesses who arent working, doing NOTHING.... If you feel its such a shame, Lynn, why do you vote to nix funds for it?...When you vote against SS and funds for the homeless and substance abuse treatment , you vote against the people who need this desperately.....Why hasnt the Kent Island community worked together to stop the closing of this clinic in Chestertown?....It looks like it was the only one they had in that area.....That is shameful.....I havent read anywhere here that large numbers of people have gotten off their asses and put aside the Censored Bad Word Hereing and moaning about "not my taxes" and done something about this.....Im really disgusted by this....As a former mental health professional, Im glad Im not seeing the suffering caused by this..too heart breaking....People dont seem to care about the mentally ill and abused children...Oh, well, it will come back to haunt them.. ...Selfish bastards consumed by greed and brainwashed by the media fear moguls...Are they so ignorant they cant see beyond their fear??....Im beginning to think so. I hope Im wrong... Im not referring to all those who have worked to keep the clinic in Chestertown open....I dont mean them....Its the complainers who dont do a thing to stop this that Im confronting. If you arent a part of the solution, you are part of the problem.. As far as SS being "easy" to get on, that is a lie...the process is horrendous.....Funnel is absolutely correct...Most of my clients were DENIED 2 and 3 times before they actually got on SS....That is routine practice.....I echo her question of why would anyone want to make it harder to maintain their SS once they qualify?....Every year to 3 years, everyone is monitored for eligibility with a fine toothed comb....They have been thru the ringer enough..Many live in fear of losing it, adding to their deteriorated mental state. geesh, I'm shaking... I'm having a talk with an "expert". For an expert, I think you also have some to learn... lumping people into your own categories. I also know of some people with schizophrenia and people who are bi-polar, and yes they do take medication and they ARE able to work full time jobs with properly taking their medication.
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Post by lynn on Oct 24, 2009 17:44:44 GMT -4
... as former mental health professional,.... For someone who is a former mental health professional you sure do have a chip on your shoulder.
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Post by lynn on Oct 24, 2009 17:48:00 GMT -4
Here's a question for you, Lynn: if it would cost more money to find the people milking the system than it currently costs to pay their benefits, would you still be for it? I'm asking because I wonder if this isn't the current situation: that most people are legit and that it would cost more money to weed out those who aren't than it would to keep paying their benefits. I really don't have an answer for that funnel, I would have to think about it. I guess this would strongly depend on how much funds we are talking and what the estimate fraud threshold is.
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Post by safetildecember on Oct 24, 2009 17:49:39 GMT -4
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Post by lynn on Oct 24, 2009 17:51:37 GMT -4
totally agree with you there.
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Post by lynn on Oct 24, 2009 17:58:27 GMT -4
funnel, stephdale, moosie, and IU, .... I really don't know how serious you are about all of this, but I have really enjoyed the banter. Hopefully you are typing with a half chuckle. Anyway, time to go now and have some halloween fun! Have a good night.
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Post by safetildecember on Oct 24, 2009 18:06:54 GMT -4
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Post by stephadele on Oct 24, 2009 19:12:56 GMT -4
Lynn...I dont think telling it like Ive seen it and being honest means I have a chip on my shoulder...It does disturb me that people neglect and ignore something as important as this...As a mental health professional who devoted 20 years of my life to my profession, would you want me to feel any differently?.. Now some of the posts here that are full of anger and revenge and "not my taxes" towards poor people on disability, I think that better fits your description of having a "chip on their shoulder"
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Post by stephadele on Oct 24, 2009 19:24:02 GMT -4
.."For an expert I think you have something to learn"...Well, Lynn, enlighten me then..According to your posts you would deny disability except for 3 reasons...That leaves out alot of people....Most of whom Ive worked with.....Unless you have worked as a mental health therapist for 20 years, I dont think you have the experience on it client wise that I have. And the vast majority of schizophrenics are NOT able to work full time even with medication .....You obviously dont know the nature of the disease to even say something like that.....Whoever told you that is wrong.....Ive worked with them for 20 years and that is false....Most have relapses and are in and out of the hospital over several years..Many psychotropic meds have side effects that cause people to stop taking them and they often lose their potency after being on them awhile...... Most employers wont tolerate that tract record of losing so much work and being in the hospital and decompensating....It can take several months for a client to recover and be back on the right meds....Also, the stress of working full time is something that most with schizophrenia cant handle....doing that causes frequent decompensations...Been there ,seen that many times working in a partial hospitalization program....Most have to have a schedule that is very non stressful...that means working at a bare minimum of part time in positions without alot of stress...ie being around crowds and people in general.
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Post by lynn on Oct 26, 2009 9:47:41 GMT -4
Lynn...I dont think telling it like Ive seen it and being honest means I have a chip on my shoulder...It does disturb me that people neglect and ignore something as important as this...As a mental health professional who devoted 20 years of my life to my profession, would you want me to feel any differently?.. Now some of the posts here that are full of anger and revenge and "not my taxes" towards poor people on disability, I think that better fits your description of having a "chip on their shoulder" How many times are you going to keep telling us that you are a mental health professional w/ 20 years experience?
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Post by lynn on Oct 26, 2009 9:48:34 GMT -4
.."For an expert I think you have something to learn"...Well, Lynn, enlighten me then..According to your posts you would deny disability except for 3 reasons...That leaves out alot of people....Most of whom Ive worked with.....Unless you have worked as a mental health therapist for 20 years, I dont think you have the experience on it client wise that I have. And the vast majority of schizophrenics are NOT able to work full time even with medication .....You obviously dont know the nature of the disease to even say something like that.....Whoever told you that is wrong.....Ive worked with them for 20 years and that is false....Most have relapses and are in and out of the hospital over several years..Many psychotropic meds have side effects that cause people to stop taking them and they often lose their potency after being on them awhile...... Most employers wont tolerate that tract record of losing so much work and being in the hospital and decompensating....It can take several months for a client to recover and be back on the right meds....Also, the stress of working full time is something that most with schizophrenia cant handle....doing that causes frequent decompensations...Been there ,seen that many times working in a partial hospitalization program....Most have to have a schedule that is very non stressful...that means working at a bare minimum of part time in positions without alot of stress...ie being around crowds and people in general. ...yawn....
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Post by stephadele on Oct 31, 2009 12:39:00 GMT -4
"yawn" If youd rather close your eyes and ears to reality and be glued to the pundits on the media instead of people who do the real work in the trenches, just say so. Just dont complain about the consequences of your beliefs and refusal to listen. Then its yawn for me as well.
"Minds are like parachutes...They only function if they are open"
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Post by hale80 on Nov 2, 2009 1:20:25 GMT -4
"yawn" If youd rather close your eyes and ears to reality and be glued to the pundits on the media instead of people who do the real work in the trenches, just say so. Just dont complain about the consequences of your beliefs and refusal to listen. Then its yawn for me as well. "Minds are like parachutes...They only function if they are open" I hate to be rude, but please stay in Silver Spring (or wherever you are) I think we have enough of you around here and some of us are just way too tired of hearing your sermons and holier than thou rants! Any change you think you are bringing our way is most likely a change we don't want - not to mention the fact you are the only one who "thinks" she has all the facts in the first place. For someone who just showed up around here in the last couple months, you sure do seem to be full of yourself and all the answers to our concerns... Keep it up - you will never fit in around here if you continue the way you have. At least that's the way I see it. Sometimes you have to earn respect. Trying to throw around "experience" and some kind of degree does not qualify you or anyone else as an expert in what is right or wrong and who is informed (or not) on the facts. Believe it or not, some of us around here are actually educated and very well-informed. We even know how to use punctuation marks and capital letters... Like I've said before, PLEASE.......give it a rest already!
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Post by stephadele on Nov 2, 2009 6:48:42 GMT -4
hale80 It may not be what some want here but people are free to move where they please. And to speak out if they choose....thats their right under the Constitution so many here profess theyd do anything to defend....How ironic that I hear the values of free speech here being welcomed only to be told to tone it down it because some cant or dont want to hear it....and told to not move here because their beliefs arent like everyone elses....hypocritical? How many times has that been said in history? Catholics moved to coastal Maryland in the 18th century because the authorities in Europe basically told them the same thing you are telling me. And "we" here are not the authority on what everyone wants in Kent Island. Especially in light of the fact that Ive received a few private messages from some thanking me for saying what they would like to say but are afraid to here.. I have several friends that live on both KI and the Eastern Shore who understand completely what Im saying.... They just shakes their heads when Ive told them about the apathy on this board about the closing of the clinic. This thread here is set up so that people can post freely and honestly what they believe, not agree with what everyone else is saying because they are afraid to be honest. Im sure people here are skilled and informed on alot of matters pertaining to Kent Island. Certainly in ways that Im not.. But judging by the responses of some, it certainly isnt the case regarding mental health and healthcare. And as a mental health professional, I will speak up on that....just as they would in areas where they are skilled and have alot of info that the rest of us doesnt. Otherwise, how can a community completely blow off the fact that a major mental health center serving the public is closing and all that elicits is a yawn?...And personally criticizes anyone who speaks out against that?...or even questions that?....rather than focusing on the issue at hand?... I think that says more about the problems of the community than anyone who ventures to challenge that status quo here.. It makes those who are new here feel like only topics people smile about and agree with will be heard and the rest people are expected to shut up and put up if it makes "certain important" people feel uncomfortable and challenges them to think. If thats the case, then you're right... I wouldnt want to be a part of a community so closed minded.
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Post by lynn on Nov 2, 2009 13:20:51 GMT -4
"yawn" If youd rather close your eyes and ears to reality and be glued to the pundits on the media instead of people who do the real work in the trenches, just say so. Just dont complain about the consequences of your beliefs and refusal to listen. Then its yawn for me as well. "Minds are like parachutes...They only function if they are open" I appreciate and accept that your opinions are different than mine and you have the right to voice your opinions just as I also do, that is what makes this country of ours such a wonderful place. When people debate it is a type of a conversation to win over and influence the thinking of the other side. Why do I keep saying "yawn" to you, well you keep spewing out "I'm a health care professional w/ 20 years and I'm right because I said so". I can also be extremely repetitive but, I can back up with what I say by giving facts or other valid reasons or examples of why I say and feel the way I do. You, however, seem to have an elitist attitute that you are better than the rest of us and know better than the rest of us. I don't know how long you have been to this area. I have not been here for too long; however, I do like it here and I have a good understanding of the area and people. I don't know if you are aware of how many military, retired military, reservists, and other men and women here who work everyday defending our country. We also (on Kent Island) have a huge percentage of our citizens (compared to other areas of our country) who volunteer their time to non-profits and helping out those who are less fortunate (I also give both time and money helping out those less fortunate). So, you think we have no compassion because our views are different than yours? With regard to the mental health facility closing, I don't think you paid any attention to the fact that many of us here did speak up and did call and did try to keep the facility from closing. I'll say it again since you didn't read (or acknowledge) my first statement, "I also tried to keep the facility from closing". You state that we don't know what is going on because we aren't in the trenches. Madam, please, get off your high horse. You are preaching nonsense. My husband has served overseas in uniform for our wonderful country in several different wars. He has also served in Iraq several times and "been in the trenches". This county has hundreds of men and women (maybe thousands, I do not know) who serve our country and have been to Iraq. For you to believe that nobody knows better than you because nobody here knows what it is like to be "in the trenches" is laughable. I thank God that my husband never had to return from one of his deployments in Iraq to get a follow up from "a counselor" like you to convey your compassion of "too bad you had to go there because I don't think this was a necessary war" nonsense...what an insult. "If you don't stand behind our troops, please feel free to stand in front of them. Trust me they will appreciate it."
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Post by stephadele on Nov 2, 2009 14:04:39 GMT -4
Lynn I didnt see many responses to my post about the mental health closing other than "too bad" or yawn.....I did see your response that said you tried to stop it from occuring.. If people did do alot to prevent this I wish they had spoken up here.
You dont know me or have any idea what kind of counselor I was so your presumptions are just that....false assumptions. And you have no idea what was discussed between myself and my clients. What arrogance for you to assume you "know" the depth of compassion in any of my sessions with people, vets or not..wow. Id never assume that for you regarding your field of work and your expertise on that. You, like most of the public, seem pretty clueless about that.....based upon what you've said here....You werent there and didnt see or hear the things I did.. Ive heard more horror stories about Iraq, Gulf War and Vietnam and WW2 combined over the past 20 years than you can ever imagine so please lets not go there.... And you are gravely mistaken if you think anyone who doesnt support a particular war doesnt support the soldiers that fought it...a myth perpetuated by the Right Wing media.. Many flag wavers I encountered had little patience for their vet family members with PTSD after 5 years and just wanted them to hurry up and be "normal" ASAP...not always very supportive. And so plenty of those vets told me things they said they would never tell their spouses.. Judging me as a therapist based solely upon my political opinions is rediculous.....And laughable as well..It shows you have little understanding of what is involved in providing therapy. I could say the same about you regarding the mentally ill, the disabled...people whose beliefs and life situations are different from yours...based upon what you have wrote here about the rights of the disabled...
I dont judge people on their views, I vote with my eyes and ears and watch their actions. Anyone that says they support free speech and freedoms and the flag then do their best to shut people up whose opinions are different from theirs is subject to suspicion to me. Anyone that says they support small businesses then give 100% support and zero accountability to corporations like BCBS draws skepticism...it really smacks of hypocrasy.
The one area I do profess to know more than you is mental healthcare. So unless you have worked right along side with me all this time doing what ive done, I think thats justified....I havent seen any facts provided by you that say otherwise. Particularly when I read all the misinformation and myths about it here...that tells me right there people havent lived or experienced it as a professional....I dont know whether to laugh or cry after reading alot of it. Im sorry if that bothers you and comes across as "elitist" but Im sure there are many things in this world you know about far better than me and Id be the first to admit that. In fact Id be happy to listen. That seems to be a big difference from you and me.
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