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Post by Rich Fisher on Jul 18, 2007 20:09:37 GMT -4
Not that I'm surprised. From WNAV:
Bay Bridge Redecking To Take Longer Than Planned: July 18, 2007
(Annapolis, MD) -- It's going to take longer to redeck the Bay Bridge than first planned...six months longer, in fact. The state had estimated that the project would be done in the spring of 2009...now make it the fall of that year. The Sun reports contractors and the state have agreed to change the procedure for replacing slabs of pavement to allow for more precise measurements. That will add more time. The work is being done mostly at night...peak travel times are not affected. The westbound span is generally closed during the night on weekdays...two lane traffic uses the eastbound span.
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Post by speedergurl68 on Jul 18, 2007 20:21:58 GMT -4
LOL...ok..i need glasses...at first I read your post to say, "Bay Bridge RedNECKING* To Take Longer Than Planned....LMAO
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Post by bchevy on Jul 18, 2007 20:51:08 GMT -4
LOL...ok..i need glasses...at first I read your post to say, "Bay Bridge RedNECKING* To Take Longer Than Planned....LMAO I saw that too, I'm dissapointed.... Not surprised at the actual headline.
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Post by matt on Jul 19, 2007 10:08:18 GMT -4
I was riding the bike over the w/b bridge the other day and noted just how bad the condition has gotten... the edges are actually crumbling off. There's plenty of concrete there to be structurally sound; but it sure is ugly, and I feel terrible for the folks who are already scared of the bridge who might happen to notice this broken concrete.
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Post by highlander73 on Jul 19, 2007 12:49:16 GMT -4
Which is the older span, east bound or west bound? If the eastern one is older, why did they make it only two lanes?
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Post by matt on Jul 19, 2007 13:17:19 GMT -4
Actually, the eastbound is older, and that's why it's only 2 lanes. Traffic back then was a bare fraction of today, and the bridge was new... folks had gotten by with ferries or avoidance for so long, that a huge bridge wasn't even a consideration.
Really it's the fundamental issue facing our infrastructure - no means or willingness (argue over which) to understand the growth the country would experience, and the subsequent demand strain put on our infrastructure.
[edit:] And that in turn causes the delays in construction of alleviating solutions for traffic... Perfect is the enemy of the good, and it's difficult to know how much bigger or how much greater capacity is required or should be provided for. I mean... how many bridges do we need? More than one or two spands, eventually, I can tell you that.
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Post by Adam Eve on Jul 19, 2007 21:27:26 GMT -4
It is understood that the problem with the longer time needed is a direct result of the problem with the last time the resurfacing was performed, the concrete mix was wrong and it had to be re-done.
Matt, I will have to say I think you are the most intelligent person on this forum, I enjoy reading every post of yours, and I thank you for participating. I wish this forum had more intellectual people like you posting. I cant wait to read tour next post. I vote for the re-naming of this forum to: Matt of KI Forum. Thanks again and I want you to know URDAMAN.
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Post by bchevy on Jul 20, 2007 6:04:43 GMT -4
It is understood that the problem with the longer time needed is a direct result of the problem with the last time the resurfacing was performed, the concrete mix was wrong and it had to be re-done. Matt, I will have to say I think you are the most intelligent person on this forum, I enjoy reading every post of yours, and I thank you for participating. I wish this forum had more intellectual people like you posting. I cant wait to read tour next post. I vote for the re-naming of this forum to: Matt of KI Forum. Thanks again and I want you to know URDAMAN. DO you have an inside source on the wrong mix? if it were that simple wouldn't they have changed the mix? You can't pour concrete on a moving base, it will settle out to an unacceptable result. Are you related to Matt? The 2 lane span IS the older span BUT it was redecked in the late 80's, without all this nonsense.
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Post by matt on Jul 20, 2007 8:45:13 GMT -4
Uh, OK... did I say something extraordinarily stupid or funny or...?
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Post by kl on Jul 20, 2007 9:10:24 GMT -4
Matt, looks like you have the beginning of a fan club forming.
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Post by matt on Jul 20, 2007 9:15:49 GMT -4
Would I be the only one to find that the tiniest bit unsettling? On other forums it'd be one thing - national if not international memberships... but here - in town? Ick, pure and simple.
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Post by bchevy on Jul 20, 2007 12:35:56 GMT -4
I had a fan club once, they called it a gang!
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Post by kl on Jul 20, 2007 13:20:10 GMT -4
Was trying to be funny Matt. There are several lurkers and stalkers here. Maybe Adam Eve, will send you a message stating why he's your #1 fan.
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Post by qtboyforlife on Jul 26, 2007 14:44:38 GMT -4
It is understood that the problem with the longer time needed is a direct result of the problem with the last time the resurfacing was performed, the concrete mix was wrong and it had to be re-done. Matt, I will have to say I think you are the most intelligent person on this forum, I enjoy reading every post of yours, and I thank you for participating. I wish this forum had more intellectual people like you posting. I cant wait to read tour next post. I vote for the re-naming of this forum to: Matt of KI Forum. Thanks again and I want you to know URDAMAN. DO you have an inside source on the wrong mix? if it were that simple wouldn't they have changed the mix? You can't pour concrete on a moving base, it will settle out to an unacceptable result. Are you related to Matt? The 2 lane span IS the older span BUT it was re-decked in the late 80's, without all this nonsense. The eastbound span was re-decked with slabs manufactured off site, I remember seeing them stacked up next to the toll booths, I think it took 2 years to complete. Resurfacing was chosen for the westbound span because it limited traffic interruptions and shutting down the bridge like they did in the 80's would create a nightmare (imagine 2 lanes in the summer). Most of the re-surfacing of the westbound span was completed but during an inspection they found crumbling (excessive dusting) of the concrete. After an investigating they found during colder days the contractor had been putting calcium in the mix, a common practice to quicken the drying process but at the same time weakens the final product. I believe the "Man In Charge" was fired for allowing it. It also was decided that it was cheaper for the state to pay for the re-re-surfacing of effected areas apposed to forming a committee to get to who was responsible. If I can find the articles I will come back and post the link, I know the Sun and the Capital covered it a few years back...
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