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Post by bchevy on Nov 9, 2009 19:43:22 GMT -4
Dear Mr. President, CALL IT WHAT IT WAS.
THIS WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK, IT WAS THOUGHT OUT, AND PLANNED IN ADVANCE.
He gave away his possessions, he was heard saying his ally achabar (I didn't even try to spell it right as it doesn't deserve to be) or whatever it is they spit out of their trap while they perform their COWARDLY DEEDS ON UNARMED SOLDIERS, AND A PREGNANT WOMAN.
This guy deserves NO more care than enough to stand in front of a firing squad.
I see your sound bites on TV about investigating, finding his "motives".... HIS MOTIVE WAS HIS RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. This guy preached to his patients returning from Iraq & Afghanistan about how the war was wrong and what they did while they were over there was wrong.... WTF?
HIS SUPERIOR OFFICERS LODGED COMPLAINTS AGAINST HIM IN 2008.
I think even less of you now than when I didn't vote for you.
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 9, 2009 20:34:11 GMT -4
Agreed.
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 9, 2009 21:32:33 GMT -4
My base instinct is to call for the guys head, but the President of the United States has to take a more measured and reasoned approach. Its required of the Office, and when not followed results in a lot more problems for all of us. At this moment, Hassan is presumed innocent under our constitution and laws. The shooter will get his time in front of a firing squad, just like John Allen Mohamad will deal with a needle sometime in the next 24 hours. May God dam their souls to firey hell, the both of them. While I am ranting a bit, why do we continue to acknowledge islam as a religion? It sounds like a cult to me. Indoctrination beginning at birth with the constant promise that if you do not believe as I believe, I will kill you. That doesn't sound like any religion I am familiar with. Let's hope nothing screws up the execution tomorrow night for the sniper. He wants a new trial. Boo Hoo, lots of people want their dead loved ones back.
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Post by bchevy on Nov 9, 2009 21:37:32 GMT -4
While I am ranting a bit, why do we continue to acknowledge islam as a religion? It sounds like a cult to me. Indoctrination beginning at birth with the constant promise that if you do not believe as I believe, I will kill you. That doesn't sound like any religion I am familiar with. While I'm all for freedom of religion as it's what made our country, I'd like to know what our founding fathers would have to say about this.
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Post by falgar25 on Nov 9, 2009 21:53:23 GMT -4
While I am ranting a bit, why do we continue to acknowledge islam as a religion? It sounds like a cult to me. Indoctrination beginning at birth with the constant promise that if you do not believe as I believe, I will kill you. That doesn't sound like any religion I am familiar with. But are you really that familiar with Islam? Or, are you just familiar with the image the media paints of the religion based on the words and actions of the nutjobs that attach themselves to it?
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 9, 2009 22:00:28 GMT -4
I could be wrong but I do not believe the Muslim faith would condone terrorists acts by radical Islamic Muslims, Allah believes in peace and tolerance. I think they are 2 separate groups. Normal Muslims need to step up to the plate and denounce the bad Muslims that are hijacking their faith and distorting it to fit their own twisted agenda. Other religions teach that the way to God/Heaven is through their faith alone, the difference is in the belief that you have to convert or kill everyone that does not believe what you believe.
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Post by grova on Nov 9, 2009 23:00:47 GMT -4
bchevy...I feel your rage but don't quite understand why it's directed at Obama? As you stated it looks like there were plenty of red flags thrown up by superiors and others since 2008. As we know Obama wasn't even in office in 2008. This sounds more like a break down in the military chain of command to me. Try him under Article 118 of the Uniform Military Code of Justice and sentence him to life or death. I seriously doubt he'll get life.
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 9, 2009 23:09:01 GMT -4
I heard it reported that there were lots of people that knew he held radical Islamic and anti-American beliefs but they did not report it because he was Muslim and they were worried about political correctness. Political correctness should be identifying these nutjobs, hunting them down and killing them like the terrorists they are.
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Post by deputy on Nov 10, 2009 7:13:32 GMT -4
While I am ranting a bit, why do we continue to acknowledge islam as a religion? It sounds like a cult to me. Indoctrination beginning at birth with the constant promise that if you do not believe as I believe, I will kill you. That doesn't sound like any religion I am familiar with. But are you really that familiar with Islam? Or, are you just familiar with the image the media paints of the religion based on the words and actions of the nutjobs that attach themselves to it? Yes because Islam is the religion of peace right? If that's true where is the outrage from the rest of the islamic world? Why don't they condemn these acts? Why is this nut job being praised as a hero by some radical clerics? Why? Because it's a SHAM. It's all a lie. I'm really starting to believe it's not just the radicals. I don't know, and don't care to know islam. I know the world has lost tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent people over hundreds of years in the name of this religion. It may be time to wipe it out. Are the non radicals just radicals in waiting? The koran calls all us us infidels, and calls for our death as such. peaceful religion there isn't it. OOBAMA can't even SAY the words Islamic terrorist, or radical islamist, or WAR ON TERROR. You go chev, call it what it is.
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Post by kl on Nov 10, 2009 7:14:43 GMT -4
My base instinct is to call for the guys head, but the President of the United States has to take a more measured and reasoned approach. Its required of the Office, and when not followed results in a lot more problems for all of us. At this moment, Hassan is presumed innocent under our constitution and laws. The shooter will get his time in front of a firing squad, just like John Allen Mohamad will deal with a needle sometime in the next 24 hours. May God dam their souls to firey hell, the both of them. While I am ranting a bit, why do we continue to acknowledge islam as a religion? It sounds like a cult to me. Indoctrination beginning at birth with the constant promise that if you do not believe as I believe, I will kill you. That doesn't sound like any religion I am familiar with. Let's hope nothing screws up the execution tomorrow night for the sniper. He wants a new trial. Boo Hoo, lots of people want their dead loved ones back.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2009 8:59:20 GMT -4
Fort Hood, Texas (CNN) -- Investigators believe the suspected gunman in last week's massacre at Fort Hood acted alone, but his communications had been flagged by U.S. intelligence agencies in late 2008, the FBI said Monday.
The suspect, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, remained in intensive care at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, Texas. In a statement issued Monday night, the FBI said its investigation so far "indicates that the alleged gunman acted alone and was not part of a broader terrorist plot."
Thursday's shooting left 13 dead, 12 of them U.S. soldiers, and 42 wounded.
Hasan, a U.S.-born citizen of Palestinian descent, was a licensed psychiatrist who joined the Army in 1997. He was promoted to major in May and was scheduled to deploy to Afghanistan sometime soon, but had been telling his family since 2001 that he wanted to get out of the military.
A Muslim, he had told his family he had been taunted after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. In August, he reported to police that his car was keyed and a bumper sticker that read "Allah is Love" was torn off. A neighbor was charged with criminal mischief after that complaint.
But the FBI disclosed that Hasan came to its attention as part of an unrelated terrorism probe in December 2008, when agents reviewed "certain communications between Maj. Hasan and the subject of that investigation."
The intercepts "raised no red flags," with no mention of threats or violence that would have triggered a U.S. terrorism investigation, senior investigative officials said Monday.
Hasan, 39, was wounded several times during the attack. Though still in intensive care, his ventilator was removed over the weekend, and he began talking afterwards, hospital spokesman Dewey Mitchell said.
Federal agents attempted to interview Hasan on Sunday, but he refused to cooperate and asked for an attorney, the investigative officials said.
U.S. military officials said intelligence agencies intercepted communications between Hasan and Anwar al-Awlaki, a former imam at the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Virginia, a Washington suburb. Al-Awlaki, who left the United States in 2002 and is believed to be living in Yemen, was the subject of several federal investigations dating back to the late 1990s, but was never charged.
Military officials told CNN on Monday that intelligence agencies intercepted communications from Hasan to al-Awlaki and shared them with other U.S. government agencies. But federal authorities dropped the inquiry into Hasan's communications after deciding that the messages warranted no further action, one of the officials said.
According to the FBI, investigators from one of its Joint Terrorism Task Forces determined "that the content of those communications was consistent with research being conducted by Maj. Hasan in his position as a psychiatrist at the Walter Reed Medical Center [in Washington]."
"I couldn't believe [Hasan] could have done this,"
Hasan was first an intern, then a resident and finally a fellow at Walter Reed before moving to Fort Hood.
"Because the content of the communications was explainable by his research and nothing else derogatory was found, the JTTF concluded that Maj. Hasan was not involved in terrorist activities or terrorist planning," it said.
FBI Director Robert Mueller has ordered a review of the matter, the FBI said.
The independent commission that investigated the 9/11 attacks found al-Awlaki was a "spiritual adviser" to two of the hijackers in that plot, Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Midhar, while al-Awlaki was at the Virginia mosque and earlier, in San Diego.
The commission report said it was not clear whether the imam knew al-Hazmi and al-Midhar were involved in the hijacking plot, but security experts have described him as a radical Islamic fundamentalist who was "very supportive of terrorists in the past," former White House homeland security adviser Frances Townsend told CNN.
An online post attributed to al-Awlaki praised Hasan as a hero for the Fort Hood attack, saying he "could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people." But the Dar Al-Hijrah mosque denounced al-Awlaki's remarks, and its current imam said he was stunned to hear Hasan was the suspect in the rampage.
"The quiet, very peaceful person coming in and out of the mosque, I couldn't believe he could have done this," Sheikh Shaker Elsayed told CNN.
Three senior investigative officials, who insisted they not be identified by name because of the sensitive nature of the ongoing federal investigation, told reporters in Washington that Hasan was never nominated to be on a watch list. He was able to purchase weapons legally and had done nothing to justify even a preliminary investigation, they said.
In addition, Hasan had a security clearance at the "secret" level and received good performance reviews, they said. Nonetheless, they continued to examine his communications with the cleric in Yemen for several months as a precaution.
Authorities have not identified a motive in Thursday's attack. But at Fort Hood the post commander told reporters he has ordered his officers to "immediately take a hard look and make sure if there's anybody out there struggling."
"Hasan was a soldier and we have other soldiers ... that might have some of the same stress and indicators that he has," Lt. Gen. Robert Cone said. "We have to look across our entire formation, not just in a medical community but really look hard to our right and left. That's the responsibility for everybody from the top to the bottom to make sure we're taking care of our own."
Army officials have voiced concern about jumping to any conclusions about Hasan's motive, warning about a possible backlash against Muslim soldiers. But several witnesses, like Pvt. Robert Foster, who was wounded in the hip during the attack, reported Hasan shouted "Allahu Akbar" -- Arabic for "God is great" -- which Islamic terrorists have used as a battle cry.
"I was sitting in about the second row back when the assailant stood up and yelled 'Allah Akbar' in Arabic and he opened fire," Foster, 21, said Monday on CNN's "American Morning."
The Army leadership at Fort Hood will "take a very hard look at ourselves and look at anything that might have been done to have prevented this," Cone said Monday.
"I think what we're looking for are sort of people with overwhelming personal problems and patterns of behavior that are not at all related to religion," Cone said.
No charges have been filed against Hasan. The investigative officials who briefed reporters said he was likely to be charged in the military court system
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Post by moosie on Nov 10, 2009 10:20:55 GMT -4
But are you really that familiar with Islam? Or, are you just familiar with the image the media paints of the religion based on the words and actions of the nutjobs that attach themselves to it? Yes because Islam is the religion of peace right? If that's true where is the outrage from the rest of the islamic world? Why don't they condemn these acts? Why is this nut job being praised as a hero by some radical clerics? Why? Because it's a SHAM. It's all a lie. I'm really starting to believe it's not just the radicals. I don't know, and don't care to know islam. I know the world has lost tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent people over hundreds of years in the name of this religion. It may be time to wipe it out. Are the non radicals just radicals in waiting? The koran calls all us us infidels, and calls for our death as such. peaceful religion there isn't it. OOBAMA can't even SAY the words Islamic terrorist, or radical islamist, or WAR ON TERROR. You go chev, call it what it is. let's not forget the millions killed by christians over the years, often in the name of religion. how do you draw your distinctions?
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Post by kl on Nov 10, 2009 10:29:43 GMT -4
Yes because Islam is the religion of peace right? If that's true where is the outrage from the rest of the islamic world? Why don't they condemn these acts? Why is this nut job being praised as a hero by some radical clerics? Why? Because it's a SHAM. It's all a lie. I'm really starting to believe it's not just the radicals. I don't know, and don't care to know islam. I know the world has lost tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent people over hundreds of years in the name of this religion. It may be time to wipe it out. Are the non radicals just radicals in waiting? The koran calls all us us infidels, and calls for our death as such. peaceful religion there isn't it. OOBAMA can't even SAY the words Islamic terrorist, or radical islamist, or WAR ON TERROR. You go chev, call it what it is. let's not forget the millions killed by christians over the years, often in the name of religion. how do you draw your distinctions? Because they were crusades? ;D
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Post by deputy on Nov 10, 2009 11:10:19 GMT -4
Yes because Islam is the religion of peace right? If that's true where is the outrage from the rest of the islamic world? Why don't they condemn these acts? Why is this nut job being praised as a hero by some radical clerics? Why? Because it's a SHAM. It's all a lie. I'm really starting to believe it's not just the radicals. I don't know, and don't care to know islam. I know the world has lost tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent people over hundreds of years in the name of this religion. It may be time to wipe it out. Are the non radicals just radicals in waiting? The koran calls all us us infidels, and calls for our death as such. peaceful religion there isn't it. OOBAMA can't even SAY the words Islamic terrorist, or radical islamist, or WAR ON TERROR. You go chev, call it what it is. let's not forget the millions killed by christians over the years, often in the name of religion. how do you draw your distinctions? That was then, this is now, I wasn't there, times have changed, they're after ME? live and let live or go away, any or all of those work for me.
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Post by funnel101 on Nov 10, 2009 12:55:32 GMT -4
We've had this discussion of good vs. bad Muslims on this forum before. A group of Muslims near Fort Hood have set up a fund for the victims; does that sound like evil to you? Tons of Muslims were outraged over 9/11.
Just because the media focuses on the terrorists DOESN'T mean all Muslims are like that. Most aren't, just like most Christians aren't like Fred Phelphs and his family.
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Post by falgar25 on Nov 10, 2009 13:49:59 GMT -4
Because it's a SHAM. It's all a lie. I'm really starting to believe it's not just the radicals. I don't know, and don't care to know islam. I know the world has lost tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent people over hundreds of years in the name of this religion. It may be time to wipe it out. I guess that pretty much says all I need to hear. You don't know and you don't care to know the religion but you will draw conclusions about it based on what some talking head on television tells you. I believe there have been a few times in the past when some group has decided it was time to wipe out one religion or another. It usually works out badly for both sides but worse for those who think they have the right to condemn people based on their religious beliefs.
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Post by funnel101 on Nov 10, 2009 13:53:06 GMT -4
Are the non radicals just radicals in waiting? The koran calls all us us infidels, and calls for our death as such. peaceful religion there isn't it. You're never READ the Qur'an, have you? That's pretty clear. The Qur'an doesn't say this. What it does say is that Muslims have the right to defend themselves against those who oppress them. It doesn't say, "Now go out and kill all the infidels!"
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Post by falgar25 on Nov 10, 2009 14:07:58 GMT -4
Are the non radicals just radicals in waiting? The koran calls all us us infidels, and calls for our death as such. peaceful religion there isn't it. I think you have that backwards. I think it was the Christians who labeled the Muslims as infidels and came up with interesting theories about their rights. But then you don't know and you don't care.
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Post by shadow1 on Nov 10, 2009 15:26:05 GMT -4
But are you really that familiar with Islam? Or, are you just familiar with the image the media paints of the religion based on the words and actions of the nutjobs that attach themselves to it? Yes because Islam is the religion of peace right? If that's true where is the outrage from the rest of the islamic world? Why don't they condemn these acts? Why is this nut job being praised as a hero by some radical clerics? Why? Because it's a SHAM. It's all a lie. I'm really starting to believe it's not just the radicals. I don't know, and don't care to know islam. I know the world has lost tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent people over hundreds of years in the name of this religion. It may be time to wipe it out. Are the non radicals just radicals in waiting? The koran calls all us us infidels, and calls for our death as such. peaceful religion there isn't it. OOBAMA can't even SAY the words Islamic terrorist, or radical islamist, or WAR ON TERROR. You go chev, call it what it is. Shallow thinker voicing shallow thoughts!
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Post by deputy on Nov 10, 2009 16:39:12 GMT -4
Yes because Islam is the religion of peace right? If that's true where is the outrage from the rest of the islamic world? Why don't they condemn these acts? Why is this nut job being praised as a hero by some radical clerics? Why? Because it's a SHAM. It's all a lie. I'm really starting to believe it's not just the radicals. I don't know, and don't care to know islam. I know the world has lost tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent people over hundreds of years in the name of this religion. It may be time to wipe it out. Are the non radicals just radicals in waiting? The koran calls all us us infidels, and calls for our death as such. peaceful religion there isn't it. OOBAMA can't even SAY the words Islamic terrorist, or radical islamist, or WAR ON TERROR. You go chev, call it what it is. Shallow thinker voicing shallow thoughts! Thank you, thank you very much
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Post by shadow1 on Nov 10, 2009 17:03:27 GMT -4
Shallow thinker voicing shallow thoughts! Thank you, thank you very much Welcome!
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 10, 2009 18:29:25 GMT -4
Someone needs to start worrying about things like the Saudi Islamic Schools in Virginia. They are teaching Sharia Law and other radical Islamic teachings. The Muslim faith has been hijacked by terrorists. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25106145
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Post by moosie on Nov 10, 2009 19:00:19 GMT -4
let's not forget the millions killed by christians over the years, often in the name of religion. how do you draw your distinctions? That was then, this is now, I wasn't there, times have changed, they're after ME? live and let live or go away, any or all of those work for me. interesting morality.
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Post by hisea on Nov 11, 2009 14:45:40 GMT -4
MUSLIM!
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Post by misternuke on Nov 11, 2009 23:12:25 GMT -4
Are the non radicals just radicals in waiting? The koran calls all us us infidels, and calls for our death as such. peaceful religion there isn't it. You're never READ the Qur'an, have you? That's pretty clear. The Qur'an doesn't say this. What it does say is that Muslims have the right to defend themselves against those who oppress them. It doesn't say, "Now go out and kill all the infidels!" I'd love to read that passage....cite your source...chapter/verse, please?
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