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Post by xtourniquet on Dec 16, 2012 20:53:03 GMT -4
Ban the ammunition and start at the manufacturers. Let's be honest here, guns are an easy "thing" to blame. Every time something like this happens, everyone is quick to blame some "thing". Do we really thing that "things" are causing this evil? I don't buy that for one second. I believe the true heart of the issue is very simple. Parenting. When I was younger, I knew that if I stepped out of line, I would be met with a nice "attitude adjustment" when I got home. Too many times I have been out in public watching kids run amok and the parents are helpless to control them. I have even seen bribery used in an attempt to win the children's good behavior. Ask yourself: when you were young and got bad grades in school, what happened? Today, parents are calling teachers and placing the blame on them for children's poor grades, instead of taking the time to explain and work with the child to find out what the problem areas are. There is always a scapegoat when something like this happens - whether it be guns, violent video games, movies, etc. The true issue is that the PARENTS SUCK at their jobs. In any of these mass shootings there are questions that I always ask myself... Why did the children have access to these weapons? Did the parents not notice strange behavior from their kids? In this latest situation, although the shooter was able to legally purchase the weapon, his parents should have been able to notice if he was unstable. If they did notice he was unstable, why did they not seek medical help for him? Banning "dangerous" items is never the solution. Stepping up and being a good parent is a good start. Guns make it too easy to kill. No other weapon allows someone to kill in such an impersonal way. I don't think that is true at all. Quite the opposite actually. I can't think of any way to kill that could even remotely be considered "impersonal".
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Post by RobMoore on Dec 16, 2012 21:58:52 GMT -4
Drone strike
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Post by bluecrabber on Dec 17, 2012 9:06:11 GMT -4
Probably one of the most intelligent, insightful and well-thought out statements from a law enforcement officer regarding this tragedy and how people should handle it I have heard yet: (he is the Chief of Police in Brimfield, OH) - and I agree with him 100% This guy gets it.. thanks for posting SG
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Post by tomc on Dec 17, 2012 9:15:28 GMT -4
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Post by speedergurl68 on Dec 17, 2012 9:59:18 GMT -4
FYI: The weapons used were purchased legally by the shooter's mother and NOT him. He killed her, stole her weapons and car and then committed the atrocity he committed. She, the legal owner and purchaser of the weapons, did absolutely NO harm with them. A heinous criminal act was committed by a deranged individual with stolen weapons and not by the innocent, law-abiding citizen who legally owned the weapons.
Two mentally deranged individuals flew two planes into two towers and murdered thousands of innocent citizens. One mentally deranged individual loaded up his vehicle with high explosives and killed 168 innocent citizens and injured over 800 more in Oklahoma. The list of sick and evil people and their acts goes on....and on....and on.
I don't think "guns" are the common thread in any case....I believe it is the mental condition and soulless nature of the individuals that committed these and many other atrocities that is more difficult to look at and truly see and deal with because it would mean taking a deep, long look at ourselves - it's easier to blame a gun, explosives, madmen. Society is the problem. Weapons and explosives and knives and planes and chemicals - are all inanimate objects.....the problem is within the animator.....and the animator is us.
What I really despise is the fact that the tragedy on Friday has seemed to become an opportunity for some to use for their own political agendas. I also despise that the press is gorging themselves on these families like it's our RIGHT to invade them and find out "how it felt"......I, for one, pray to God that I never, EVER know "how it felt" and wish they would respect the privacy of these families instead of treating them like a side-show attraction at a travelling show.
Humanity, decency, honor, humility....lots of that missing all over the place any more. Fix the people - everything else will become a non-issue.
IMHO, of course.
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Post by jetskibrat on Dec 17, 2012 10:35:46 GMT -4
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Post by georgej202 on Dec 17, 2012 11:05:38 GMT -4
Got this in an e mail yesterday good reading George
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Post by constructr on Dec 18, 2012 7:50:58 GMT -4
Look at Canada if you want to see a country with gun laws and low crime. The argument that hicks like to use that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is crazy. People with guns kill people because it's an easy way to do it. Yes, nuts can drive trucks into a crowd, or blow things up, but that is rare here. It's all guns. You are blind if you don't see that. Put the good of the country over your N.R.A. talking points. The 2nd Amendment probably didn't have today's gun toting morons in mind upon it's inception. It was so that this country could defend itself from the British, not so that you can shoot a bunny in the woods. It is antiquated and using it to hold onto your guns is just spin for your own wants. When was the last time you saw something like this in Texas or Florida or SC, etc (CCW states)??
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Post by RobMoore on Dec 18, 2012 8:34:30 GMT -4
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Post by constructr on Dec 18, 2012 11:01:37 GMT -4
Rob, Don't give them to much of the truth. The really can't handle the truth.
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Post by overboost44 on Dec 19, 2012 0:14:55 GMT -4
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Post by RobMoore on Dec 19, 2012 5:12:46 GMT -4
But there certainly is a lot of it mentioned here
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Post by tomc on Dec 19, 2012 8:03:01 GMT -4
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Post by einebierbitte on Dec 19, 2012 9:37:49 GMT -4
People who have never been a victem of a voilent crime just doesn't get it. I have very strong opinions about the Death Penalty, the time it takes to execute these vile elements of evil and if someone is wrongly accused and died because of it....the number is so small that I consider it insignificant.
My mother was brutally murdered. Her killers lived for years and finally succeeded in getting the death penalty overturned after 17 years and living fat, dumb and happy on my dime (and yours)....Yea, they will die in prison, but they see their families, open christmas presents, etc. etc. etc... What do I get?
I have also had a gun to my head, from thugs who broke in my house and destroyed everything that I had.....
Gun control don't mean crap. Arm yourselves, protect what you have at all cost...
and to those who blabber about gun control and crimina deserving rights, you can go to hell.
We would be a better society to eradicate all the filth in prison. Exterminate all the hardened murdering bastards through their bodies in a hole and burn them and be done with it.
You want all of this relentless crime sprees to stop.... Then stop making excuses for their behaviors and excusing them cause they had a bad childhood or whatever the flavor of the excuse of the month is... Get rid of them all.... Show the rest of the wanna be criminals that if you do this your life is over.....
Stop sensationalizing the events in the media.....
Then maybe once the dust settles, the prisons are no longer overcrowded with filth that doesn't deserve a d**n thing... just maybe laws that make sense and protect the victims instead of criminals will be the mainstay and Joe Q. Public won't feel the need to rush out and stockpile weapons.
I have a gun. I know how to use it.... and I won't regret killing any punk ass that tries to destroy what is mine.
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Post by AquaHolic on Dec 19, 2012 9:54:20 GMT -4
People who have never been a victem of a voilent crime just doesn't get it. I have very strong opinions about the Death Penalty, the time it takes to execute these vile elements of evil and if someone is wrongly accused and died because of it....the number is so small that I consider it insignificant. My mother was brutally murdered. Her killers lived for years and finally succeeded in getting the death penalty overturned after 17 years and living fat, dumb and happy on my dime (and yours)....Yea, they will die in prison, but they see their families, open christmas presents, etc. etc. etc... What do I get? I have also had a gun to my head, from thugs who broke in my house and destroyed everything that I had..... Gun control don't mean crap. Arm yourselves, protect what you have at all cost... and to those who blabber about gun control and crimina deserving rights, you can go to hell. We would be a better society to eradicate all the filth in prison. Exterminate all the hardened murdering bastards through their bodies in a hole and burn them and be done with it. You want all of this relentless crime sprees to stop.... Then stop making excuses for their behaviors and excusing them cause they had a bad childhood or whatever the flavor of the excuse of the month is... Get rid of them all.... Show the rest of the wanna be criminals that if you do this your life is over..... Stop sensationalizing the events in the media..... Then maybe once the dust settles, the prisons are no longer overcrowded with filth that doesn't deserve a d**n thing... just maybe laws that make sense and protect the victims instead of criminals will be the mainstay and Joe Q. Public won't feel the need to rush out and stockpile weapons. I have a gun. I know how to use it.... and I won't regret killing any punk ass that tries to destroy what is mine. Eine...I am so sorry to hear of the tragic death of your mom and that you had to go through the horror of what happened to you. I AGREE with everything you have written. I have screamed it from the top of my face book page to anyone who will listen. Gun Control ONLY hurts the law abiding citizen. I can't believe people do not see that...it makes me sick.
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Post by speedergurl68 on Dec 19, 2012 10:21:19 GMT -4
Here's another piece of logic that seems to escape those wanting "gun control" because "guns kill people" - my best friend was murdered in cold blood by her ex. He didn't shoot her - he burned her alive using gasoline, an empty beer bottle and a rag. So....do we outlaw gasoline, beer and cotton? Matches? Sharp sticks? Scissors? Knives? Where would it end? Let's just say, for the sake of the argument that we did outlaw guns - ok, then someone would wind up killing someone else with something else....would we outlaw that too? ok....then let's say we outlaw EVERYTHING - then people would kill each other with their bare hands - do we outlaw hands? The premise is ridiculous - the truth is we cannot rid ourselves of the ability to kill each other. Would outlawing weapons make us safer? Are you SERIOUS?? No it would not. No more than outlawing illicit drugs has rid us of illicit drugs. Or outlawing alcohol rid us of alcohol. In a perfect world we would all live in peace and harmony and no bad people would ever be there to threaten us....guess what....this is NOT that world, nor will it ever be. We have a right to defend ourselves...with that right comes the risk of some lunatic, somewhere, using what a law abiding person uses with responsibility, irresponsibly. There is always going to be a risk of suffering at the hands of evil - until there is no more evil to suffer at the hands of. There will never be a law written by human hands that can rid us of that. Safety is an illusion. We are no more "safe" today than we were 200 years ago - we are no more "civilized" than we were 2000 years ago. We have a right as American Citizens to arm ourselves. If you don't want to - don't. I am certain you can rationalize with an armed criminal that he/she is wrong and should put down his/her weapon and turn over a new leaf because shooting someone irresponsibly is wrong. Oh...no....wait....
By making weapons illegal, all that will be accomplished is making it legal to become a victim. Sorry, but, no.
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Post by RobMoore on Dec 19, 2012 12:22:44 GMT -4
Something that I don't think antigunnners realize is that even if the government could somehow confiscate every privately owned firearm in the country ( dear god, the logistical nightmare that would be, not to mention the outright slaughter of people and police from the confrontations created by resistant citizens) criminals would still get them.
Like illegal drugs, they would be either manufactured illegally, smuggled in, or stolen from legal outlets (police, military, other gov). Supply a need by making them hard to aquire legally, and black market machine shops will pop up to produce guns, the same as black market ammo. Making this stuff isn't hard for people with the right equipment and know how.
Heck, 3D printers can create functional firearms now. All someone needs is the equipment and materials. The program can be downloaded on the Internet. All that would be accomplished is disarming the law abiding public.
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Post by Frank on Dec 19, 2012 14:20:14 GMT -4
In 2009, more than 9,000 children died of unintentional injuries, with motor vehicle crashes being the top cause of death from injury. More than 4,500 children died from motor vehicle crashes, 1,160 from suffocation and 824 from poisoning. I don't hear anybody screaming about thoses children. I guess they don't fit the agenda. The media only report gun deaths even though gun deaths are less than 2 percent. What happened in Connecticut is tragic, but his Mom is to blame. She was ready to have him commited, yet kept firearms and ammo unlocked in her home where he lived? What a moron!
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Post by RobMoore on Dec 20, 2012 9:55:27 GMT -4
Due to the potential danger we face from suicide bombings, plane hijackings, etc in the name of god/allah, I propose a ban on religion, or at least some sort of religion control, perhaps just banning certain religions. I mean, who needs to be Muslim anyway? There are plenty of less dangerous religions out there.
I know, you're going to say religion is protected by the first amendment. But, you know, the founding fathers didnt have suicide bombers in mind when they wrote the constitution. It was a different time back then. How can you justify your need for religion when we have people abusing them and using them to murder innocent people.
I should be able to send my kids to school, or go see a movie, and not have to worry about some nutcase using his religion on me. It is time to rewrite the constitution and eliminate the freedom of religion.
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Post by georgej202 on Dec 20, 2012 10:46:17 GMT -4
Rob for the first time I disagree with you. The constitutation is NOT a living document which can be tuned to a particular thinking. I do agree that organize religion is the cause of most of the worlds problems, but if you can change the the freedom of religion you can take way anything. George
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Post by RobMoore on Dec 20, 2012 10:58:16 GMT -4
George, not to be insulting, but you should look up the definition of "satire".
Once performed, reread my post and substitute "gun" for "religion" and "2nd amendment" in for "first amendment".
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Post by Frank on Dec 20, 2012 11:19:48 GMT -4
Since over 50% of all child deaths involve motor vehicles, perhaps we need to look at banning motor vehicles! Think of all the lives that will be saved, and all the money we currently send overseas for oil that could be spent in this country.
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Post by RobMoore on Dec 20, 2012 11:35:59 GMT -4
Exactly, because you don't need a sports car when the government provides you with transportation.
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Post by speedergurl68 on Dec 20, 2012 11:59:01 GMT -4
George, not to be insulting, but you should look up the definition of "satire". Once performed, reread my post and substitute "gun" for "religion" and "2nd amendment" in for "first amendment". I got it
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Post by georgej202 on Dec 20, 2012 12:12:47 GMT -4
Sorry Rob...."My Bad"
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