dano
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Post by dano on Dec 14, 2012 16:55:21 GMT -4
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Post by AquaHolic on Dec 14, 2012 18:07:32 GMT -4
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Post by RobMoore on Dec 14, 2012 18:47:24 GMT -4
There has never been a time in the history of man without crazy people willing to do harm to others.
I doubt there ever will be.
Situations like this are a reminder not of times worsening, but of staying the same.
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Post by mrscharms on Dec 14, 2012 22:44:58 GMT -4
I just don't understand the madness. Human life means nothing any more. We all sit with heavy hearts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2012 23:21:54 GMT -4
This is yet another senseless rampage done by a crazy person with access to a freakin' gun. I'm sure the 'necks don't see it that way, again.
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Post by gr8white on Dec 15, 2012 1:46:00 GMT -4
This is yet another senseless rampage done by a crazy person with access to a freakin' gun. I'm sure the 'necks don't see it that way, again. Ok..so let's strip America of its guns. That should solve everything. Remember it's the criminals who don't play by the rules..they will still have their guns...because they follow zero laws. You could rid the earth of every gun, edged weapon, sharp object etc. and a crazy ass is still going to find a way to do someone harm with a plastic bag. The solution to the problem is to start working with the humans...we are our own enemies...not the objects.
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Post by nightpurse99 on Dec 15, 2012 5:15:36 GMT -4
and a crazy ass is still going to find a way to do someone harm with a plastic bag.
They have already started with "Plastic bags" $0.05 tax on every weaponised bag in D.C.
heheheh
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 11:00:59 GMT -4
Ban the ammunition and start at the manufacturers. Guns make it too easy to kill. No other weapon allows someone to kill in such an impersonal way.
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Post by jetskibrat on Dec 15, 2012 11:06:22 GMT -4
guns do not kill ! people do!!!! so much sadness.
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Post by jetskibrat on Dec 15, 2012 11:13:01 GMT -4
Im sure many of you remember growing up many vehicles in school parking lots had guns in them kids went huntin before and after school and never every thought of harming another person. times have changed. i just wonder if videos that are on the markets with killing/bloodshed in them have something to do with the sadness?? I just dont know........ the way we think has changed and not for the better of mankind
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Post by rrm029 on Dec 15, 2012 11:25:15 GMT -4
Making something illegal does not seem to have the desired effect of "eradicating" access to it. I am am not a lawyer or in law enforcement but I am pretty sure cocaine, crack, meth, etc are illegal but oddly enough those that want such things always seem to find access to it. I am not a "gun fan" have never owned one, fired one nor do I have the desire to do so. And for the record, at least this time of year, my neck lacks red or any color so no need to lump me into some stereotypical group. But I do have a few tattoos if that helps spark a rant!! :-)
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Post by RobMoore on Dec 15, 2012 11:52:10 GMT -4
Ban the ammunition and start at the manufacturers. Guns make it too easy to kill. No other weapon allows someone to kill in such an impersonal way. No, many other objects can be used to kill in even less personal ways. This isn't about being impersonal. It is about attention seeking behavior. These stories receive nationwide coverage, and stew up debate for weeks. I'll repost my comment from the gun store thread that you perverted into another debate thread. the reason that so many people want to ban guns is because they make it much easier to commit these types of horrible atrocities. They aren't using knives. www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/14/china-knife-attack-school.htmlLuckily he was inept in his use of the knife, because if you can injure someone with a knife, you can kill them. Do you want to know what is easier than guns? Driving a truck into a crowd. Psychopaths don't chose that option nearly as often as firearms because it isn't as dramatic and attention getting. However, simply removing one option isn't going to remove the desire in them to commit these acts. So why aren't you afraid of trucks in the same way you are guns, loudness? I believe the reason is that you are unfamiliar with them. Most people deal with the automobile in their daily lives. People who handle firearms regularly aren't afraid of them as you are. We don't blame them for stories like this. We blame those who misuse them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 12:03:40 GMT -4
Look at Canada if you want to see a country with gun laws and low crime.
The argument that hicks like to use that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is crazy. People with guns kill people because it's an easy way to do it. Yes, nuts can drive trucks into a crowd, or blow things up, but that is rare here. It's all guns. You are blind if you don't see that. Put the good of the country over your N.R.A. talking points. The 2nd Amendment probably didn't have today's gun toting morons in mind upon it's inception. It was so that this country could defend itself from the British, not so that you can shoot a bunny in the woods. It is antiquated and using it to hold onto your guns is just spin for your own wants.
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Post by mikerobe on Dec 15, 2012 12:49:46 GMT -4
"The argument that hicks like to use that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is crazy"
Hicks? Really? Do you realize guns are used in defense of crime three-to-four times more often than they’re used in the commission of a crime. In England, where guns are illegal, 45% of gun crimes are daylight burgleries of homes, compared to 13% in America. In England criminals have nothing to fear, in Ameerica they do.
But wait, how is it that there is gun crime in England? They are illegal there! This cannot be. The liberals there made them illegal to protect their citizens, so there should be zero gun crimes. Right? Gee, so much for shortsighted, narrowminded decisions made using emotion rather than logic.
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Post by mrb2217 on Dec 15, 2012 14:18:35 GMT -4
No point in arguing with Loudness. He or she will not listen to your argument and only resorts to name calling. Dim, red neck, backwards ass red neck, hicks, gun toting moron. Real civilized, should we take your computer away from you since you can't act like a civilized human being and feel the need to attack everybody on this forum. Oh wait that is freedom of speech. I bet the founding fathers didn't have you behind a computer in mind when they gave us that right. Just a little constructive criticism for you from a dim, backwards ass, gun toting red neck moron for any other further arguments you might have. You lose all credibility when you start name calling and your argument falls on deaf ears there after. I don't know if your trolling or not but if you aren't and are actually stating your true convictions then I would suggest you try reasoning instead of name calling.
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Post by RobMoore on Dec 15, 2012 14:27:53 GMT -4
The name calling comes because his argument comes mainly from emotion, not logic. When you get emotional about a topic, you get posts like loudness is making.
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Post by speedergurl68 on Dec 15, 2012 15:38:33 GMT -4
Probably one of the most intelligent, insightful and well-thought out statements from a law enforcement officer regarding this tragedy and how people should handle it I have heard yet: (he is the Chief of Police in Brimfield, OH) - and I agree with him 100%
"I have been thinking about kindergarten students all day. Five and six year-old kids….with no cares and with eyes on Santa coming soon. I see kindergarteners every day at our elementary school; you can always spot them, because of their book bags. They are small, innocent and love the world…and they give the BEST high fives, ever. They high five with love and eagerness….unaware of this nasty world we live in and the fact that monsters really do exist, in the form of killers, like the one who showed up at a school in Connecticut today.
I have read many of the opinions posted on our page here and want to offer my own. When disasters like this happen, we as a society tend to go way off, one direction or another. Moving to either extreme is not the answer, in my very humble opinion. We should not ban guns. We should not arm teachers.
I am a gun enthusiast. I am an NRA member. I am not a right wing extremist. I have been around guns since birth and have always had one in the house. For those who want to make guns illegal, I have a comparison….cocaine and heroin are illegal. Making something illegal just means that those with a moral compass will not possess or use it….criminals still will. I do not know about the rest of you, but when I am backed into a corner, and have to protect my family from harm or death, I do not want to take a baseball bat to a gunfight.
On the other hand….my gun enthusiast friends need to simmer a little. The talk of “criminal" or "gun free zones” is also a little dramatic. The world is not collapsing. There are not bands of roving killers who prey on people because they enter s store or buildings where guns are not permitted. Teachers should not be armed in a school. I do not want teachers having the responsibility of being in a shoot/don’t shoot scenario or worrying about proper backdrop. We constantly work those scenarios and they are unnerving at best. Mrs. Crabtree should not have to worry about breaking out her Glock while also trying to give directions to 25 screaming 1st graders. Additionally, a small fraction of the gun people who “talk the talk” about what they would do in a life or death situation would most certainly not “walk the walk”. It’s very easy to say or type “If I was there with my concealed carry, I would have killed him”….it’s not so easy to put that play in motion. Many would shoot themselves in the leg, and then urinate. Again…that’s a fraction of the gun people, so don’t come unglued.
So….we had another mass killing at a school. Innocent children….angels…. gone. I have said it for years, to anyone who will listen. It is time to direct tax money to every school in this nation. It is time to make our schools secure. The time for talk is done….it was done YEARS ago. There should be NO one in the building during the school day except for staff, students and police. Dedicate a secure room/vestibule near the entrance for conferences or meetings with parents. Set a perimeter of cameras and locked doors, so these kids can be safe….the teachers can be safe….and the building can function as a school and not a murder scene.
Fed and State elected people, nationwide, listen up…..You have taxed beyond belief. You have attempted education reform numerous times and failed. You are failing children and teachers in a way now that is reprehensible….and they are dying. Stop lining the pockets of your lobbyists and start securing these schools. If you can fund the study of methane gas released by cattle, you can d**n sure make these schools safer. And yes, it is on you. You have taxed at a federal and state level so much; you have caused the locals giant issues with passing ANY taxes.
These children leave the safety of home every day….it is our job to return them home, safely. Let’s start making schools a “safe zone”….and not just show up for photo ops when kids die. Lead, or get out of the way.
Thoughts and prayers to all involved…..I just cannot grasp your agony……Chief Oliver"
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Post by RobMoore on Dec 15, 2012 20:16:28 GMT -4
There are two ways I see to make schools safer. Note I say "safer" not "safe".
#1 treat the school like an airport or other secure location: security screening at EVERY entrance for EVERY person.
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#2 decrease the response time of armed response to an active shooter. This requires assigned police, armed security, or armed school personnel.
"Gun free zones" don't work.
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Post by wizzer368 on Dec 15, 2012 20:56:27 GMT -4
Concelled carry for all law abiding citizens. Look at VA's crime or DE's crime compared to MD. And your right gun free zones don't work they make it easier for criminals to harm mass amounts of people.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 23:26:36 GMT -4
Concelled carry for all law abiding citizens. Look at VA's crime or DE's crime compared to MD. And your right gun free zones don't work they make it easier for criminals to harm mass amounts of people. Really? Are those "Fox Facts" or real ones? Here's a real one comparing Baltimore to Richmond Virginia. I used these two cities because both have very similar demographics in regards to race, income, and age. Not good results for Virginia, a pro-gun state. www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Baltimore&s1=MD&c2=richmond&s2=VA
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Post by RobMoore on Dec 15, 2012 23:34:06 GMT -4
So.....you said you had some facts?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 23:39:54 GMT -4
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Post by bchevy on Dec 16, 2012 6:27:59 GMT -4
two words....
Shall Issue
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Post by RobMoore on Dec 16, 2012 10:19:05 GMT -4
The stories you posted are null. Nobody is arguing that "shall issue" means "zero crime". In Baltimore vs Richmond, nobody is arguing that Richmond isn't a complete s***hole. I will look for some data backup later, ( dailycaller.com/2012/10/24/black-gun-owners-rock-and-a-hard-place/ ) but I know the black community is very antigun. There is a negative stigma toward people who own guns that whites don't get (unless they live in MoCo). The only evidence I have to support it is anecdotal, but people growing up in Richmond, as opposed to surrounding counties, are much less likely to take advantage of their right to keep and bear arms. The law says they can, not that they will. *I doubt I get to it today: Today is putting up Christmas decorations*
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Post by honeybee on Dec 16, 2012 18:54:56 GMT -4
Well - let's at least all agree that there are 27 Connecticut families who would like to be spending the day as they should be - getting ready for the holidays. It is absolutely heartbreaking.
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