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Post by jetskibrat on Jan 11, 2013 11:32:25 GMT -4
Slayings not forgotten, Ray Lewis not forgiven
this is the headlines in USA today
why??? do many people in MD think he is so great??
yes he has his foundation and give to kids.... but
has everyone forgot AND what happened to RL white suit he wore that was never found?? I read he has paid out millions/why?
channel 13 show all these fans for # 52
its a interesting read to say the least.
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Post by falgar25 on Jan 11, 2013 12:00:18 GMT -4
People think be is great because he is one of the best ever at his position. People think he is great because he is one of the best players in Ravens' history. People think he is great because be has done more for the community than most of us will ever do or will ever be able to do.
Why has he paid out millions? Probably because of the litigious society we live in today. Because when something bad happens the first question asked is, "who can I sue?"
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Post by jetskibrat on Jan 11, 2013 12:02:31 GMT -4
ok thanks f*gar25
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Post by ravens20 on Jan 11, 2013 15:39:29 GMT -4
Slayings not forgotten, Ray Lewis not forgiven this is the headlines in USA today why??? do many people in MD think he is so great?? yes he has his foundation and give to kids.... but has everyone forgot AND what happened to RL white suit he wore that was never found?? I read he has paid out millions/why? channel 13 show all these fans for # 52 its a interesting read to say the least. No one has forgotten what happened, most people just ignore the facts. bleacherreport.com/articles/1473116-ray-lewis-critics-who-bring-up-controversial-past-need-to-get-facts-straight |
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Post by shoreterp on Jan 11, 2013 16:22:06 GMT -4
He is the greatest linebacker ever, that's why people think he's great. Whatever you may think of him as a person, no one can deny how great of a player he is
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Post by AquaHolic on Jan 11, 2013 18:00:37 GMT -4
Slayings not forgotten, Ray Lewis not forgiven this is the headlines in USA today why??? do many people in MD think he is so great?? yes he has his foundation and give to kids.... but has everyone forgot AND what happened to RL white suit he wore that was never found?? I read he has paid out millions/why? channel 13 show all these fans for # 52 its a interesting read to say the least. No one has forgotten what happened, most people just ignore the facts. bleacherreport.com/articles/1473116-ray-lewis-critics-who-bring-up-controversial-past-need-to-get-facts-straightGreat Article...although I already knew all of that. I don't follow the Sensationalism crap. Give me some FACTS and I can make my own decision. Ray is GREAT...he is NOT a murderer....but people have crucified him over and over again based on Circumstantial evidence because they need someone to blame. |
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Post by deadrise on Jan 12, 2013 6:32:08 GMT -4
Ray has brought the attention to himself with that stupid dance, none of the other great players needed a dance and if it Ray Lewis to get a team motivated then the head coach and staff are not doing there job, and yes he was charged and found guilty of obstruction, and what did ever happen to that white suit, maybe he can wear it in Canton Ohio !
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Post by ravens20 on Jan 12, 2013 23:28:35 GMT -4
Ray has brought the attention to himself with that stupid dance, none of the other great players needed a dance and if it Ray Lewis to get a team motivated then the head coach and staff are not doing there job, and yes he was charged and found guilty of obstruction, and what did ever happen to that white suit, maybe he can wear it in Canton Ohio ! what? |
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Post by AquaHolic on Jan 18, 2013 10:43:12 GMT -4
Ray has brought the attention to himself with that stupid dance, none of the other great players needed a dance and if it Ray Lewis to get a team motivated then the head coach and staff are not doing there job, and yes he was charged and found guilty of obstruction, and what did ever happen to that white suit, maybe he can wear it in Canton Ohio ! what? = LOL...yea...my thoughts exactly...GO RAVENS!!! |
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Post by zeus911 on Jan 18, 2013 17:18:39 GMT -4
You have to keep in mind that Lewis had a guilty plea in that case to not go to trial in exchange for testimony against his two friends he was with. Grant it his friends were aquittted. Also, Lewis paid the two families to prevent a civil suit. If you were 100% not guilty of a crime would you pay the victims families?
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Post by deadrise on Jan 18, 2013 18:27:51 GMT -4
EXACTLY !
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Post by bchevy on Jan 18, 2013 19:07:33 GMT -4
Ray went through our system and is done, right?
Get over it, or change the system- either way Ray is done, so get over it anyway ;D
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Post by bchevy on Jan 18, 2013 19:08:36 GMT -4
Slayings not forgotten, Ray Lewis not forgiven this is the headlines in USA today why??? WHY? BECAUSE IT SELLS NEWSPAPERS! Period. |
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Post by ravens20 on Jan 18, 2013 19:14:53 GMT -4
You have to keep in mind that Lewis had a guilty plea in that case to not go to trial in exchange for testimony against his two friends he was with. Grant it his friends were aquittted. Also, Lewis paid the two families to prevent a civil suit. If you were 100% not guilty of a crime would you pay the victims families? Simple economics. I'm sure it was cheaper for him to pay the victims families than it would be to spend months in court over a civil suit. Remember the burden of proof is much lower in a civil suit. If you've got the money you might as well pay out and move on with your life. This is pretty common I'm surprised someone would equate that with guilt. |
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Post by ravens20 on Jan 18, 2013 19:20:15 GMT -4
Great Article...although I already knew all of that. I don't follow the Sensationalism crap. Give me some FACTS and I can make my own decision. Ray is GREAT...he is NOT a murderer....but people have crucified him over and over again based on Circumstantial evidence because they need someone to blame. Exactly. The only people that are still harping on this have an obvious agenda. |
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Post by zeus911 on Jan 18, 2013 20:47:57 GMT -4
The bottom line is there are facts in this story, everything is NOT circumstantial. I am not saying Ray committed the actual crime, but the facts put him at the location and the prosecutor had enough information to make the arrest. No way that can be debated. I agree with Shoreterp in that he is the greatest liebacker of all time, but it stops there for me.
1. Did Ray plead guilty and was on probation - Yes
2. Did Ray accept a plea deal to give testimony against his friends - Yes.
3. Did Ray lie to police - Yes.
4. Did Ray have to pay both families - Yes.
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Post by crabbinlover on Jan 18, 2013 21:00:12 GMT -4
Great Article...although I already knew all of that. I don't follow the Sensationalism crap. Give me some FACTS and I can make my own decision. Ray is GREAT...he is NOT a murderer....but people have crucified him over and over again based on Circumstantial evidence because they need someone to blame. Exactly. The only people that are still harping on this have an obvious agenda. Jealous Steeler fans with nothing better to do. |
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Post by ravens20 on Jan 18, 2013 21:31:16 GMT -4
The bottom line is there are facts in this story, everything is NOT circumstantial. I am not saying Ray committed the actual crime, but the facts put him at the location and the prosecutor had enough information to make the arrest. No way that can be debated. I agree with Shoreterp in that he is the greatest liebacker of all time, but it stops there for me. 1. Did Ray plead guilty and was on probation - Yes 2. Did Ray accept a plea deal to give testimony against his friends - Yes. 3. Did Ray lie to police - Yes. 4. Did Ray have to pay both families - Yes. You are being deliberately misleading. Ray plead guilty to obstruction of justice. Ray was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and refused to snitch on his friends, hence the obstruction of justice charge. That does not make someone a murderer. Being arrested for a crime has nothing to with guilt, I hope you understand why. Clearly he exercised poor judgement, but that doesn't make someone a murderer and it shouldn't tarnish their reputation for the rest of their life. You make a good point regarding the prosecutor believing they have enough evidence to initially charge Ray Lewis with murder. If you're bringing that up then you must trust their judgement. After more facts came to light they decided that they no longer had enough evidence to charge Ray with murder, hence the plea to a lesser charge. Does Steeler nation have some inside information that the prosecution was not privy to? If you're not saying that Ray committed murder (your words), then what exactly is your point? |
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Post by harleyd on Jan 18, 2013 22:26:00 GMT -4
Zeus911 is just mad he didn't get a chance to be Rays cellmate and wife  |
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Post by bchevy on Jan 19, 2013 7:33:45 GMT -4
The bottom line is there are facts in this story, everything is NOT circumstantial. I am not saying Ray committed the actual crime, but the facts put him at the location and the prosecutor had enough information to make the arrest. No way that can be debated. I agree with Shoreterp in that he is the greatest liebacker of all time, but it stops there for me. 1. Did Ray plead guilty and was on probation - Yes 2. Did Ray accept a plea deal to give testimony against his friends - Yes. 3. Did Ray lie to police - Yes. 4. Did Ray have to pay both families - Yes. Isn't the REAL bottom line here is that it's OVER, it's BEEN OVER. He went through the system, got his punishment, and moved on. It's certainly a shame that some people just can't move on. Is it worth carrying this crap with you? I can't wait for Sunday myself, How about the rest of you's? |
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Post by einebierbitte on Jan 19, 2013 7:57:24 GMT -4
Not like Ray Lewis is the only celebrity to have skeletons in his closet.
He has been judged, punished, and served his time. As has plenty of others......
I disagree with the statement that he is the greatest linebacker of all times. I have others that I believe are better (lol)!! ...But he prolly is the greatest linebacker of all times for the Ravens.... he is an awesome player....
and I can't help myself... I can't wait for the game..... I hope it's an awesome games and I hope the Ravens do well!! Good Luck!!! Go Ravens!!
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Post by deadrise on Jan 19, 2013 8:34:16 GMT -4
I cant wait for sunday either, to see how the story line unfolds, ray retiring, the Harbaugh Bros. Super Bowl, give me a break, I hope that Tom Brady has the best passing day of his career, bye bye Ray Ray !!
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Post by ravens20 on Jan 19, 2013 13:54:56 GMT -4
The bottom line is there are facts in this story, everything is NOT circumstantial. I am not saying Ray committed the actual crime, but the facts put him at the location and the prosecutor had enough information to make the arrest. No way that can be debated. I agree with Shoreterp in that he is the greatest liebacker of all time, but it stops there for me. 1. Did Ray plead guilty and was on probation - Yes 2. Did Ray accept a plea deal to give testimony against his friends - Yes. 3. Did Ray lie to police - Yes. 4. Did Ray have to pay both families - Yes. Isn't the REAL bottom line here is that it's OVER, it's BEEN OVER. He went through the system, got his punishment, and moved on. It's certainly a shame that some people just can't move on. Is it worth carrying this crap with you? I can't wait for Sunday myself, How about the rest of you's? I couldn't agree more. Sunday night can't get here fast enough, I wish they were playing in the early game instead. |
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Post by zeus911 on Jan 19, 2013 17:52:21 GMT -4
As always Harleyd gives some very insightful comments. My present to harleyd for the Ravens making it to the AFC championsip is a brand new pair of Arabian sand goggles with a fresh Cleveland Steamer. PM me so I can pay up.
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Post by harleyd on Jan 19, 2013 20:19:22 GMT -4
I'm glad you enjoyed that Zeus.
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