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Post by foofighter on Apr 12, 2009 23:54:15 GMT -4
Let this be a lesson to the third world turds, we won't take this crap! Obama has shown himself to be a decision maker and I salute him. Thank you Mr President. Kudos. -DG
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Post by emsguru on Apr 13, 2009 1:02:40 GMT -4
I think its fantastic that the captain was saved without any harm to himself. However think of the next american ship that is hijacked and the crew is killed in retaliation for the pirates who were just killed.
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Post by falgar25 on Apr 13, 2009 6:27:07 GMT -4
I think its fantastic that the captain was saved without any harm to himself. However think of the next american ship that is hijacked and the crew is killed in retaliation for the pirates who were just killed. That's a possibility. It's also a possibility that that piracy has increased recently because the usual outcome is the company or insurance company paying the pirate's ransom demands. This case worked out differently.
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Post by islandgirl on Apr 13, 2009 7:04:25 GMT -4
I would almost imagine now, when we have ships in that direction, we would patrol the waters and attack before the pirates even get a chance to take hostages !!!
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Post by RobMoore on Apr 13, 2009 7:49:08 GMT -4
The article I read said that the US Navy Captain (actually a Lt. Commander) made a "split second" decision to order his SEALs to fire on the remaining 3 pirates when one of them lowered his rifle to the head of their hostage. The forth "pirate" have given up previously to seek medical attention for injuries.
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Post by Frank on Apr 13, 2009 8:13:59 GMT -4
This was way overdue. This pirate problem has been going on for a while and since it's never affected the US, we never did anything about it. Other countries have simply paid the ramsons and the pirates win.
If this was Obama's decision, i will give credit where credit is do. I would have expected him to tow the boat to the US shores, and then given them drivers licenses, housing, food stamps, and made them US citizens!
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Post by RobMoore on Apr 13, 2009 11:16:16 GMT -4
I'll bet the "decision" was him signing off on the allowance of lethal force should the need arise, given a parameter of circumstances to be met, and not the sort of "24'esque" up-to-the-minute command the president would give Jack Bauer to "take em out" seconds before he pulls the trigger.
So, the in-the-field personnel saw those guidelines set down from POTUS met and made the decision themselves to act.
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Post by Mike on Apr 13, 2009 11:50:19 GMT -4
I like what Obama did.. I am glad her had the marbles to do it. However, I wonder what would have happened if Bush gave this order, everyone would be crapting bricks... I love the USA.
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Post by deputy on Apr 13, 2009 15:45:01 GMT -4
I'll bet the "decision" was him signing off on the allowance of lethal force should the need arise, given a parameter of circumstances to be met, and not the sort of "24'esque" up-to-the-minute command the president would give Jack Bauer to "take em out" seconds before he pulls the trigger. So, the in-the-field personnel saw those guidelines set down from POTUS met and made the decision themselves to act. On the money. Big deal, he did his job and now the left is pouring even more praise on him.......
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Post by moosie on Apr 13, 2009 17:33:33 GMT -4
I'll bet the "decision" was him signing off on the allowance of lethal force should the need arise, given a parameter of circumstances to be met, and not the sort of "24'esque" up-to-the-minute command the president would give Jack Bauer to "take em out" seconds before he pulls the trigger. So, the in-the-field personnel saw those guidelines set down from POTUS met and made the decision themselves to act. well, did you think he was going to go there himself or something? he's the c-i-f. that's what they do. it's done, it worked. isn't that good enough? wasn't the objective achieved? what is the problem?
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Post by bchevy on Apr 15, 2009 18:38:36 GMT -4
Let's post some Armed military detachments on some US Flagged cargo ships, wouldn't that be a nice surprise for some pirates?
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Post by Frank on Apr 16, 2009 8:17:46 GMT -4
Or maybe a few Blackhawk helicopters on a cargo ship stationed in the area. If a captain calls in a pirate threat, a chopper would be deployed to cover the situation. The captains ship would be charged a fee for the service and the ship would be able to continue to its destination. Even a $100,000 fee would be cheaper than a pirates ramsom plus the delay in shipping.
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Post by goobastank on Apr 16, 2009 9:03:51 GMT -4
Somalis and Blackhawks do not mix.. it's an unfortunate historical fact. This might a good use for blackwater contractors, though. Tricky business assigning military resources to commercial vessels, but private contractors could be a good solution.
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Post by dej on Apr 17, 2009 0:05:15 GMT -4
Somalis and Blackhawks do not mix.. it's an unfortunate historical fact. It might have turned out better if the Blackhawks weren't being used as "police" helicopters a few years ago in Mogadishu. During the incident leading to "Blackhawk Down" they were on an arrest mission, not the same as a military mission. Don't use them as "police" helicopters to arrest pirates. Instead, use them as military weapons to destroy equipment (ie "fast boats" & "mother ships") being used to interfere with international shipping & commerce. They are well suited for that as a military mission.
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Post by bchevy on Apr 17, 2009 6:51:01 GMT -4
Don't use them as "police" helicopters to arrest pirates. Instead, use them as military weapons to destroy equipment (ie "fast boats" & "mother ships") being used to interfere with international shipping & commerce. They are well suited for that as a military mission. Ditto That!
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