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Post by pete1 on Jul 2, 2009 18:31:11 GMT -4
When elected Sheriff I will start a civilian review board to hear Police misconduct complaints. The board will be comprised of respected citizens from all walks of life whose goal will be justice for the community. If the cop is justified he will not get burned for political reasons, if not justified the cop will not be protected by the good old boy system......What are your thoughts?
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Post by shoregurrl on Jul 2, 2009 19:49:15 GMT -4
I say YES.
Our "system" in Queen Anne's County is completely out of control. We need a process of unbiased checks and balances put into place in order to eliminate the arrogance and corruption.
"That only a few, under any circumstances, protest against the injustice of long-established laws and customs, does not disprove the fact of the oppressions; while the satisfaction of the many, if real only proves their apathy and deeper degradation." ---Elizabeth Cady Stanton
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Post by hisea on Jul 3, 2009 4:57:20 GMT -4
I say yes. Surprised pete1
Has to be unbiased, no out of control ex cops or anyone with an axe to grind. Fair and balanced! It would be great to have feed back from a civilians point of view!
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Post by pete1 on Jul 3, 2009 6:02:09 GMT -4
Deep Sea.......I am not surprised. Common sense says you don't let the fox guard the hen house, and power corrupts.
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Post by falgar25 on Jul 3, 2009 6:57:04 GMT -4
If the purpose of the board is to hear complaints and make a fair determination of the merit of the complaint, great.
However, if the board will be criticized for any conclusion that does not find fault with the police, if the real purpose of the board will be to criticize the police, then I would be against it.
We don't need an "official" board whose purpose is to find fault in everything the police do, we have some threads in this forum for that.
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Post by pete1 on Jul 3, 2009 16:44:04 GMT -4
falgar25..........It's about checks and balances. The Police should not be policing themselves. It opens the door for corruption. If they know they are going to get burned for bad behavior I see that as a plus for the citizen. It's a plus for everyone if the Cop knows he is not going to be punished for political reasons. Too many good men quit law enforcement when they see how quickly the Department dumps on them for the wrong reasons. There is nothing wrong with criticizing a Cop if he deserves it......Would you consider being on the board my friend? I'll be looking for fair minded people who have the communities best interest at heart.
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Post by shoregurrl on Jul 5, 2009 20:21:14 GMT -4
The Police should not be policing themselves. It opens the door for corruption. To me, this says it all. Internal controls tend to be lax or non-existent. External controls and checks and balances will actually increase the integrity of the department, which should be seen as a positive result, not a negative.
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Post by rudyhayesforever on Jul 10, 2009 0:34:28 GMT -4
I'm trying to treat this with an open mind, unbiased off how much of a basket case I know you are buuuuuuuut...
How would this ever work? Please explain how putting the citizens higher than those citizens that sought a life of enforcing the law would ever help the law be enforced? Matter of fact, they are educated years further on the law than the majority of us non-officers! What makes you think that a jury of peers can determine whether or not a cop was right or wrong if we hold no certificate saying we know the law better than they do? In the million in one chance this could ever happen, the repercussions would be horrible, considering it would have to make our officers feel hesitant rather than aggressive in doing their job, seeing as how they have to go in front of the counties Mom & Dad to verify it. Like they are signing off on a report card. Cops get a bad name - I mean, how many people admit that they were in the wrong when getting a ticket!? If anyone were to be on a panel of judges, it should consist of judges and officers deemed the most honest in carrying out the true intent of the constitution - not bitter (whether they seem so or not) everyday men like myself that feel like we were done wrong just because we were doing wrong in the first place.
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Post by pete1 on Jul 10, 2009 3:18:13 GMT -4
rubyhayesforever.......crap for brains - Grow up......Your former Captain just killed a woman during a traffic accident, and has not been charged. This is the kind of crap the citizens are tired of in lovely Q.A.Co.. When I'm Sheriff I will not violate the law to protect a bad cop, or one of the connected good old boys. On the other hand I will stand by my men, and I will not allow the corrupt system to burn a cop that is correctly doing his job. How can anyone justify 76 yr old unarmed retired waterman with a heart condition Harry Davidson being shot in the back 6 times with a taiser gun by a 280lb Sergeant with back up at his side. This kind of crap gives all law enforcement a bad name.
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Post by rudyhayesforever on Jul 10, 2009 3:31:18 GMT -4
rubyhayesforever.......crap for brains - Grow up......Your former Captain just killed a woman during a traffic accident, and has not been charged. This is the kind of crap the citizens are tired of in lovely Q.A.Co.. When I'm Sheriff I will not violate the law to protect a bad cop, or one of the connected good old boys. On the other hand I will stand by my men, and I will not allow the corrupt system to burn a cop that is correctly doing his job. How can anyone justify 76 yr old unarmed retired waterman with a heart condition Harry Davidson being shot in the back 6 times with a taiser gun by a 280lb Sergeant with back up at his side. This kind of crap gives all law enforcement a bad name. What the hell does this have to do with anything I said? Way to dance around it...maybe you do have a little bit of politician in ya. I want to know how you plan on forming a panel of citizens worthy of judging the way officers do their job. What credentials would be needed? How do you determine "respected citizens from all walks of life whose goal will be justice for the community?" Ultimately, if the police bend or break a few rights to get their job isn't that up to the courts to decide? Your job ends there - hypothetically, of course...considering you'll never get this job.
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Post by rudyhayesforever on Jul 10, 2009 3:37:14 GMT -4
Typo - "bend or break a few rights to get their job DONE, isn't that up to...." Sorry.
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Post by pete1 on Jul 10, 2009 3:49:33 GMT -4
rubyhayesforever........$hit for brains - grow up.......You, and rest of your people may think it's OK to bend or break someones rights as you put it. Well, I don't. One of the reasons that the general public has lost respect for the police is the fact that many police do not abide by the laws they are swore to uphold. When the Department protects these bad apples everyone suffers....A civilian review board handles misconduct, and excessive force complaints. Not criminal cases.
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Post by rudyhayesforever on Jul 10, 2009 3:58:24 GMT -4
I think you're under the impression that I'm a cop. That could not be farther from the truth. I'm a 24 year old bartender that sees the forest for the trees. I purely want to know how you would expect this to work. Your review board - seeing as how you've described it as your own courtroom, sounds as if it would go your-word-against-mine. Who represents these officers or the citizens complaining? And you claim to have been an officer in the past, so you of all people should know that we citizens always feel immediately wronged any time we are questioned or stopped by the police, and more times than not we citizens were wrong in the first place. I like your imaginary world almost as much as your grade A insults, but face it - your "civilian review board" is a pathetic attempt at getting votes in an election that you shouldn't even be on the ballot for.
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Post by pete1 on Jul 10, 2009 4:48:18 GMT -4
rubyhayesforever..........There are civilian review boards all over the country, and they work. As for insults you threw the first stone with the basket case remark. $hit for brains grow up my friend......Bartenders in the day were a very good source of information for the cops. Many a case was solved from information obtained from a bartender. You can join my civilian posse when I'm elected, and do some good for the community. You should have information on the serious heroin problem on the island. Give me the information now, and I'll pass it on to the proper authorities in Q.A.Co.. Then I'll post the results on KOL for everyone to see.
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Post by rudyhayesforever on Jul 10, 2009 13:29:04 GMT -4
If there are "civilian review boards" for law enforcement all over the country then PLEASE link me to one. Maybe they know how to answer a question. And considering I don't actually have crap for brains when you actually are a basket case, I'm not too worried about your attempts (since they aren't worthy of being called insults.) I'm glad that bartenders in the 40's were a good source of information. They aren't anymore. Your civilian posse is one of the dumbest and most unrealistic (not to mention - my favorite) part of your whole fantasy platform. First off, why should I have information on the "serious heroin problem," considering I've never seen it other than in movies - and even if I do see it one day, please tell me why the hell I would go through you in my efforts of alerting the authorities??? Is heroin the new bar drug now and I'm missing something? People are into nodding out and throwing up at the 7 seat service bar I work at on the Island? You're an idiot. That's not an insult. It's a fact you've proven time and time again, post after post. Ok - let's say I run into a bunch of guys high fiving and doing heroin the next time I work on the Island...I'm gonna call you so YOU can pass it along to the PROPER authorities?? How would a "bad cop" mess that one up??? Why would I need the one or two that would listen to you? Wait, wait...I'm sorry. I hadn't read all the way through - I didn't see that you offered to post the results on the Kent Island forum! You'd do that for me!? I'm sure that would go over great in community, not to mention I'd feel safe for myself and family. "KIO's Very Own Informant!" I would never join your fantasy, and I'll do plenty of good in the community just by voting against you alone and watch you further embarrass yourself around the town and online.
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Post by pete1 on Jul 10, 2009 15:39:57 GMT -4
rubyhayesforever............. Grow up.....It's obvious that if I say up you are going to say down.......I post my name and number because that's the kind of man I am. Anyone including you can call me 410-643-0286, but don't let your supervisor know. You might get permanent midnight with out a take home car. Maybe the girlfriend will let you use her take home car.
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Post by adaml on Jul 10, 2009 15:52:23 GMT -4
If there are "civilian review boards" for law enforcement all over the country then PLEASE link me to one. Maybe they know how to answer a question. And considering I don't actually have crap for brains when you actually are a basket case, I'm not too worried about your attempts (since they aren't worthy of being called insults.) I'm glad that bartenders in the 40's were a good source of information. They aren't anymore. Your civilian posse is one of the dumbest and most unrealistic (not to mention - my favorite) part of your whole fantasy platform. First off, why should I have information on the "serious heroin problem," considering I've never seen it other than in movies - and even if I do see it one day, please tell me why the hell I would go through you in my efforts of alerting the authorities??? Is heroin the new bar drug now and I'm missing something? People are into nodding out and throwing up at the 7 seat service bar I work at on the Island? You're an idiot. That's not an insult. It's a fact you've proven time and time again, post after post. Ok - let's say I run into a bunch of guys high fiving and doing heroin the next time I work on the Island...I'm gonna call you so YOU can pass it along to the PROPER authorities?? How would a "bad cop" mess that one up??? Why would I need the one or two that would listen to you? Wait, wait...I'm sorry. I hadn't read all the way through - I didn't see that you offered to post the results on the Kent Island forum! You'd do that for me!? I'm sure that would go over great in community, not to mention I'd feel safe for myself and family. "KIO's Very Own Informant!" I would never join your fantasy, and I'll do plenty of good in the community just by voting against you alone and watch you further embarrass yourself around the town and online. Detroit, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Jackson MS, New Orleans, Houston, Cincinnati, and Los Angles are just a few. These boards only can make recommendations and they are made up of respectable members of the community and again make recommendations as to training, policies and procedures!
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Post by misternuke on Jul 10, 2009 19:39:50 GMT -4
Now this is some enlightened discourse! Very reassuring.
I'm sure if we're calling one another poo-poo-heads in July, this ought to be REALLY entertaining by autumn....
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Post by shoregurrl on Jul 10, 2009 20:23:16 GMT -4
Thanks, adaml! I was trying to research that information online myself.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, give Pete a chance. He has some great ideas and what he says makes sense if you approach it with an open mind. If you aren't capable of making waves yourself, don't speak poorly of others who will do it for you. If you have a closed mind, until you find yourself in a situation where the groundwork Pete has already done comes in handy for you, you will have a hard time understanding Pete.
I would gladly serve on the Civilian Review Board.
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Post by brians on Jul 10, 2009 22:13:06 GMT -4
Hey Pete , With the anger I am senseing in the reply from "Rudyhayesforever", with his defensive attitude it almost appears as though you struck a nerve and maybe he is on the Administration and is not who he says he is. If any of the bloggers doubt Pete's sincerity, integrity and dedication to the community, I invite you to visit William Hackley's Baltimore Police History Web Page. Upon clicking the (Western District) tab you will see photos of Pete taking John Earl Williams (Lombard Street Sniper) into custody April 17, 1976. This guy shot 6 police officers that night, killing Officer Jimmy Halcomb, as well as, holding a entire neighborhood at bay. My friend Neil Splain was one of the wounded that night. Neal was one of the older officers in the Southern District that I looked upto and who mentored me in my rookie years. I know you are the real deal!!! Remember, we were "REAL" COMMUNITY POLICE OFFICERS not POLITICAL PAWNS & SEATBELT TICKET WRITERS. I'll keep reading. Brian Schwaab (Retired Baltimore Police Department/Former Queen Anne's County Deputy)
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Post by rudyhayesforever on Jul 11, 2009 15:24:33 GMT -4
Would someone that knows me please verify that I'm not a cop?? I don't hate Pete, I just think he's ridiculous and extreme, and most of delusional. I've met him twice. Nothing's going to change my mind on the guy. And I'm sorry if I come off defensive, even though I'm not really defending anything...if anything, I'm being aggressive. I just think there are bigger problems in the community than the way the police go about fixing them.
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Post by linda712 on Jul 11, 2009 15:32:35 GMT -4
I hereby attest to the fact that rudyhayesforever is NOT a cop -- however, he is very cute and would look just as appealing in an officer's uniform as Deep Sea would. There.
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Post by rudyhayesforever on Jul 11, 2009 15:33:59 GMT -4
I hereby attest to the fact that rudyhayesforever is NOT a cop -- however, he is very cute and would look just as appealing in an officer's uniform as Deep Sea would. There. Mom?
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Post by linda712 on Jul 11, 2009 15:34:57 GMT -4
Watch it, or I'll take it back! ;D
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Post by rudyhayesforever on Jul 11, 2009 15:39:46 GMT -4
I was being serious! I called her and she's not on the computer.
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