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Post by speedergurl68 on Jul 17, 2009 9:26:03 GMT -4
I've contributed my last two cents in this matter. I'm sure you'll post again to get the last word, but I won't be replying. Have a great day! adaml: 1. What did you score on the reading comprehension test? goobastank: I really have enjoyed your contributions to this thread. If you are, in fact, a police officer, thank you for doing a job many criticize and few perform. Your responses have been highly intelligent, respectful and informative. You have stated your opinions and knowledge without becoming belligerent, nasty or just plain annoying. You have made a very good case for your side and I, personally appreciate your candor. No response required
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Post by linda712 on Jul 17, 2009 14:59:16 GMT -4
Ahhh, the voice of reason!
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Post by pete1 on Jul 17, 2009 15:02:22 GMT -4
Fellow KOI Friends............It's obvious that some people only see what the Cops do wrong, and that others only see what Cops do right. Somewhere in the middle is probably the truth. Evidence leads you to the truth. What people think is just that, a thought......Goobastank...Please don't stop posting my friend. You generally prove my point when it comes to Law Enforcement. Proper training, knowledge of the law, and respect for the rights of citizens is lacking.
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Post by linda712 on Jul 17, 2009 15:12:28 GMT -4
Agree -- good post, Pete.
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Post by adaml on Jul 17, 2009 15:32:24 GMT -4
adaml, I am not wrong about probable cause in the situation which has been discussed. Refer to my above posts for clarification. Yes, I have responded to those types of calls. If there's no answer and I've made every attempt to contact owner, resident, or occupant (depending on call), then I have investigated to the fullest extent possible. I do not try to make entry. When contact is made with an occupant, however, the investigation begins. Investigations can last several years... or just 2 seconds. If told everything is ok and not invited in, I still have the right to ask questions, but not enter. If everything appears ok, I take my leave at that point. If I'm invited in, I can continue investigating. If told to leave the house, I must leave, but it doesn't mean I have to stop asking questions on my way out. I replied because you're not Pete and you asked me a question, however, I believe I've answered everything satisfactorily. Anyone can monday morning quarterback and second guess anything and everything. Every one of us (civilian and officer) has been through it and none of us like it because noone else ever fully realizes every factor involved. I simply pointed out that none of us were there and none of us know the full details. I'm a cop and I can't afford to contribute more than 2 cents every day, so I'm finished for today. Have a great day!! I hope your 2 cents wasn't done from a police department computer on the department's time!!!!!! I find that very hard to believe when there are 3 deputies on the road, on a midnight shift running from call to call with no down time from one end of the county to the other, that you are going to conduct a major investigation for a simple alarm or 911 hangup!!!! How about one of our fine deputies about a year or so ago that there was an alarm in our county at one of our local businesses and they went to the alam call at the local buisness and looked around and left. Do you know the rest of this story??? I believe he left and the criminal had cut a hole in the roof and stole some items that could do some harm! Thats just plain neglect of duty if you ask me, but again different rules for different people. O yea that was hush hush!!!
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Post by hawkeye on Jul 18, 2009 2:11:00 GMT -4
LOL this is a good thread..I wonder if AA Co. police knew that all these witnesses on this board were there at the time of this incident... If an officer responds to a home or a business alarm and checks the windows and doors and sees nothing open,broken or out of place and the homeowner/business owner does not respond , what is an officer suppossed to do? I would assume if they have done everything they can do other than break in the door , they have done a sufficient investigation..IDK I say it still dosent matter why AA Co. was at this home , IF in fact they were called there to check on the wife ,thats what they needed to do..Who cares if the husband said she was fine.They needed to speak to/see her. If they would have just walked away when the husband said she was fine and later come to find out that he beat the crap out of her or even worse , there would be someone on here saying they were wrong for leaving. No matter what, there will be people who just love to hate on police no matter what they do.
Pete are you a certified officer? Just curious
THANK YOU to all the people on this board that put there lives on the line EVERYDAY for the citizens!!
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Post by cheapshotartist on Jul 18, 2009 9:34:42 GMT -4
Hawkeye,
I believe Pete said he was a police officer about 30 or 35 years ago.
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Post by RobMoore on Jul 18, 2009 11:42:12 GMT -4
I think police actions in these types of topics can be split into three areas.
1. What they are legally required to do 2. What they are legally allowed to do 3. What they are legally barred from doing
With a few exceptions, I think most of these arguments involve #2 because its the gray area where they could have acted either way and been within the law, and its those personal choices we vary on.
Also, with a few exceptions, I think we can all agree there shouldn't be any variances on how the police act with regards to #1 and #3. If you're a cop you need to know the law and follow it.
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Post by cheapshotartist on Jul 19, 2009 9:51:07 GMT -4
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Post by cheapshotartist on Jul 19, 2009 9:56:37 GMT -4
Googastank.........Probable cause means more than mere suspicion. Except for a few misdemeanors probable cause is needed for felony's not committed in the presence of the Police. What crime were these cops investigating? The Cops aren't saying. Why?......... If the two Policeman in Centreville were acting within the scope of the law rather than what they learned from uninformed people, they would be alive today........ You state, "it is their duty to investigate to the fullest extent possible". NO They need to investigate what's legal to investigate.......You state, "(Yes, I admit there are too many cops out there who have horrible social skills)". If you are a Cop it's your duty to report these bad apples, but what good would it do. You always seem hell bent on bringing up the two officers that were murdered in Centreville. Mr Zito did not have the right to murder these officers. From what I understand a person does not have a right to murder someone to protect property, only their life. From all accounts, the call was to turn music down, not to go to his house and kill him. Please give the families of Jason and Michael a rest and use another example.
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Post by RobMoore on Jul 19, 2009 11:01:21 GMT -4
That news story has so much to discuss. Funny and infuriating.
Is this the Baltimore Sun or The Onion? I guess the old saying "you can't make this stuff up" applies here.
Yeah, mayor, because if you just got rid of all the criminals (the actual source of the problem), who would vote for you?
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