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Post by pete1 on Aug 15, 2009 7:35:04 GMT -4
WBAL Ch. 11 News.......Police stop a mother with her kids in the car for speeding, and talking on her cell phone. She is pulled out of the car and taised twice. Incident caught on the cops car mounted camera......Another punk cop caught in action by his own camera.
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Post by bchevy on Aug 15, 2009 11:01:05 GMT -4
Probably MORE to that story....
Got a link pete? I looked online, found no story or video.
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Post by AquaHolic on Aug 15, 2009 12:12:15 GMT -4
Probably MORE to that story.... Got a link pete? I looked online, found no story or video. Its there. NY mom tasered...here is the video (which I did not watch) www.wbaltv.com/video/20404190/index.htmlOkay....had to go watch. The woman is narrating the video...For one...she DID NOT LISTEN to the officer when he asked her to get back into the car...he said this more then once and she ignored him. I am not saying it was right for him to shock her (after she did listen and get back into the car and he pulled her back out to shock her)...he should have let her get back into the car even though she did not listen in the first place.. I would not have argued with a man with a gun...I would have never gotten out of the car..which was extremely stupid on her part. That said...I think he did go over board....but then again...he could have just pulled his gun and shot her for not listening to him. So she is lucky he didn't do that.
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Post by chevyman22 on Aug 15, 2009 13:10:18 GMT -4
I hate it when people don't listen until its too late and then want to whine about it. If she was worried about her kids she should of showed them how to respect an officer of the law. I bet they know now!
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Post by bchevy on Aug 15, 2009 13:50:45 GMT -4
Probably MORE to that story.... Got a link pete? I looked online, found no story or video. Its there. NY mom tasered...here is the video (which I did not watch) www.wbaltv.com/video/20404190/index.htmlOkay....had to go watch. The woman is narrating the video...For one...she DID NOT LISTEN to the officer when he asked her to get back into the car...he said this more then once and she ignored him. I am not saying it was right for him to shock her (after she did listen and get back into the car and he pulled her back out to shock her)...he should have let her get back into the car even though she did not listen in the first place.. I would not have argued with a man with a gun...I would have never gotten out of the car..which was extremely stupid on her part. That said...I think he did go over board....but then again...he could have just pulled his gun and shot her for not listening to him. So she is lucky he didn't do that. Ditto Most of that..... Okay....had to go watch. The woman is narrating the video...For one... she DID NOT LISTEN to the officer when he asked ORDERED her to get back into the car...he said this more then once and she ignored him. ....... (after she did listen and get back into the car and he pulled her back out to shock her) I think after he told her she was being arrested.......he should have let her get back into the car even though she did not listen in the first place.. Why? So she wins? She was wrong.I would not have argued with a man with a gun...I would have never gotten out of the car..which was extremely stupid on her part. Ditto.That said...I think he did go over board....but then again...he could have just pulled his gun and shot her for not listening to him. So she is lucky he didn't do that. The man with the gun is IN CHARGE, whether you like it or not, whether you are right, wrong, or whatever. Get over it and listen to the man until you can do something about it. You can't do a thing about it no matter HOW right you are when it's one on one like this scenarioBad choice Pete, AGAIN. Go find another one.
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Post by AquaHolic on Aug 15, 2009 15:17:53 GMT -4
Its there. NY mom tasered...here is the video (which I did not watch) www.wbaltv.com/video/20404190/index.htmlOkay....had to go watch. The woman is narrating the video...For one...she DID NOT LISTEN to the officer when he asked her to get back into the car...he said this more then once and she ignored him. I am not saying it was right for him to shock her (after she did listen and get back into the car and he pulled her back out to shock her)...he should have let her get back into the car even though she did not listen in the first place.. I would not have argued with a man with a gun...I would have never gotten out of the car..which was extremely stupid on her part. That said...I think he did go over board....but then again...he could have just pulled his gun and shot her for not listening to him. So she is lucky he didn't do that. Ditto Most of that..... Okay....had to go watch. The woman is narrating the video...For one... she DID NOT LISTEN to the officer when he asked ORDERED her to get back into the car...he said this more then once and she ignored him. ....... (after she did listen and get back into the car and he pulled her back out to shock her) I think after he told her she was being arrested.......he should have let her get back into the car even though she did not listen in the first place.. Why? So she wins? She was wrong.I would not have argued with a man with a gun...I would have never gotten out of the car..which was extremely stupid on her part. Ditto.That said...I think he did go over board....but then again...he could have just pulled his gun and shot her for not listening to him. So she is lucky he didn't do that. The man with the gun is IN CHARGE, whether you like it or not, whether you are right, wrong, or whatever. Get over it and listen to the man until you can do something about it. You can't do a thing about it no matter HOW right you are when it's one on one like this scenarioBad choice Pete, AGAIN. Go find another one. Hmmm...how did you do the bold lettering... oh never mind I figured it out...lol As for the "he asked her to get back in the car" I was only repeating the words that came out of her mouth in the video. I think he should have let her get back in the car and right her off as a dingbat...so it wouldn't have had to escalate into this nightmare moment in front of her kids. (I was thinking of her kids...although SHE was not) And Yes...the officer could have shot her...she should consider herself very lucky. As for her suing...she is an idiot. Bottom line is that she did NOT LISTEN
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Post by pete1 on Aug 15, 2009 16:22:02 GMT -4
My Friends.........She got back in her car as ordered, and was then pulled out by the cop, and taised twice. At no time did I see the woman offer any physical threat to the cop....."Sticks and stones may hurt your bones, but names will never hurt you". The cop outweighed the woman by at least 50 lbs.. What kind of a sissy is this man?
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Post by jetdoc on Aug 15, 2009 17:34:58 GMT -4
I see no problem here. Uncooperative suspect. The comment about her being a mom weighing 50lbs less than the cop is pointless. 1. she should have stayed in the car and never got out, 2. when she was asked to get out she should have, 3. she should have complied with the officers instructions when she was out.
I think the only punk is pete1, who is always trying to bash the police every chance he can. When you have a valid story thats fine, but when you post before all the facts are known (see Gates post) It makes you look bad.
I wonder what the officers narration of the video will be? God forbid we wait to hear his side of the story.
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Post by bchevy on Aug 15, 2009 18:34:29 GMT -4
My Friends.........She got back in her car as ordered, and was then pulled out by the cop, and taised twice. At no time did I see the woman offer any physical threat to the cop....."Sticks and stones may hurt your bones, but names will never hurt you". The cop outweighed the woman by at least 50 lbs.. What kind of a sissy is this man? Pete, are you watching the same video? Try opening your eyes this time....
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Post by bchevy on Aug 15, 2009 18:38:37 GMT -4
Hmmm...how did you do the bold lettering... That's funny!
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Post by moose on Aug 15, 2009 19:01:01 GMT -4
I cant wait.. pete who is a over zealous idiot anyway becomes Sheriff.. Someone doesnt listen, no worries, he will just talk them into surrending.
she was being mouthy, cant here what she is saying, but body language says a lot.
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Post by islandgirl on Aug 15, 2009 19:08:29 GMT -4
It is all about respect. So many people lack this now a days. treat people the way you want to be treated and things would work out for everybody.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2009 19:41:05 GMT -4
"Thank You Sir, may I have another"
I watched the video, I thought it was just road side shock therapy assistance.
Was there more to it, did I miss something? ;D
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Post by midwesterner on Aug 15, 2009 19:49:56 GMT -4
She even says she heard him clearly say that she was under arrest. Who in their right mind would ignore the cop and jump back in the car? I have to concur with everyone else, listen to the cop and you wont get arrested (or tased). Aruge, whine, complain or shout, good chance you are getting arrested. Great example in front of her kids too.
While she is whining and complaining, this cop could have been out stopping a serious crime. Now he is going to be defending himself for months against this.
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Post by hawkeye on Aug 15, 2009 21:49:44 GMT -4
Can we insert this automatically in all his posts? Isn't taiser a type of bread ? Attachments:
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Post by RobMoore on Aug 16, 2009 9:58:48 GMT -4
He did this because this is how they train officers to deal with people who aren't totally 100 percent submissive. They teach "You are the boss, if they don't obey, use the level of force that matches a generic description of their actions". Tazers, I believe, are on the same level as O.C. or Pepper spray, which is a passive resistor. This is a person who isn't being violent, but it disobeying you and may be using movement to resist your commands and control.
This situation should have NEVER got to the point of shocking and arresting this woman. This mental midget obviously didn't know how to verbally keep control of the situation, so he had to resort to the tools on his belt. The police aren't supreme beings out there running the show, to be loyally obeyed and subservient to. The "god" complex needs to go.
The mistake this woman made was not recognizing the seriousness of the situation when the Cop escalated things, and yes HE, not she, did the escalating. She continued to act as if she still had rights. Once he pulled his tazer out, she should have obeyed then, and sued later. Up until that point though, it was an argument, and police aren't above arguments.
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Post by falgar25 on Aug 16, 2009 10:33:36 GMT -4
What robmoore said ^^^^^
Both were in the wrong but to me, the cop comes off looking foolish. Sure, I imagine his buddies at the station will high-five him for handling the situation but he looks very unprofessional.
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Post by shoregurrl on Aug 16, 2009 10:56:49 GMT -4
Just because you are equipped with a taser and a gun does not mean you get to use them in every single situation in which someone does not obey your "orders." These weapons are to be used as a last resort, not whenever you feel like it. Had she threatened the safety of a civilian or physically attacked the cop, perhaps that would have been the appropriate time for him to use his weapons.
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Post by bchevy on Aug 16, 2009 12:58:21 GMT -4
The woman didn't listen, Here's a "what if" ala Pete: WHAT IF, when the woman got back in her car she grabbed her handgun and took out the cop? THIS is why the cops need to keep control and order in a traffic stop like this. This woman was not acting right, these days a cop has to be suspicious for the sake of his safety, DOESN'T HE?
The cop did a fine job. Maybe this woman will LISTEN next time. And I'm sure there will be a next time.
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Post by RobMoore on Aug 16, 2009 13:41:35 GMT -4
WHAT IF, when the woman got back in her car she grabbed her handgun and took out the cop? You have to be ready for the unexpected to happen, but you can't treat everyone like they are a hardened criminal who will kill you if you give them the chance. If he was worried about her getting a gun from her car, he wouldn't have been repeatedly ordering her to get back in her car as he walked away with his back turned toward her.
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Post by midwesterner on Aug 16, 2009 14:00:28 GMT -4
1 Cell Phone - She "Says" she didnt have, you cant see it in the video
2 If she doesnt do what the cop says, he has two choices. He can forcibly cuff her and risk a fight or tase her. She didnt appear injured and was very compliant after that, Hmmmm
3 None of us were there, so we dont see the complete picture. If a am talking to a cop no matter what his temperament and he pulls out his taser, I am smart enough to know that whatever I am saying or doing is wrong and I need to change my approach. That doesnt appear to have happened here.
My personal opinion is that I'll give the cop the benefit of the doubt, I'll trust his training and his sense of self-preservation knowing there is a camera right behind him filming and listening.
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Post by falgar25 on Aug 16, 2009 14:23:48 GMT -4
1 Cell Phone - She "Says" she didnt have, you cant see it in the video 2 If she doesnt do what the cop says, he has two choices. He can forcibly cuff her and risk a fight or tase her. She didnt appear injured and was very compliant after that, Hmmmm 3 None of us were there, so we dont see the complete picture. If a am talking to a cop no matter what his temperament and he pulls out his taser, I am smart enough to know that whatever I am saying or doing is wrong and I need to change my approach. That doesnt appear to have happened here. My personal opinion is that I'll give the cop the benefit of the doubt, I'll trust his training and his sense of self-preservation knowing there is a camera right behind him filming and listening. This all assumes the cop has the right and authority to tell someone to do whatever he wants; I don't believe in that. You would be smart enough to know whatever you are doing or saying is wrong. I would be smart enough to recognize the cop was getting agitated, but I wouldn't automatically assume he has the right to become agitated. At that point there is a decision to make: continue and risk the consequences, or be submissive and boost his ego. It's a judgment call. The woman committed contempt of cop, she challenged him and he wasn't going to stand for that. He gave her an order and was going to make d**n sure she obeyed it. He is in charge and no one is going to deny him that. At that point it wasn't about a speeding ticket or a cell phone or personal safety or serving and protecting. The subject was disobeying and that was not to be tolerated! In another article it was stated that the charges were dropped and the woman is now suing. I hope she wins. I also hope she is awarded no more than the $20 it would cost to clean her clothes.
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Post by jeffguy on Aug 16, 2009 15:45:14 GMT -4
...police use these tasers way too much. I've seen many video's on those websites where people are tasered for not moving fast enough.
For those who say this woman deserved it I would ask them how they would feel if their wive, sister, daughter or grandmom was tasered in this particular situation if they would still say, "The woman deserved it!" I think not.
I've also seen many video's where the police officer used great patience in dealing with"difficult" people in their cars.
Did the officer in this video go overboard? I think he did.
Besides, it's always easier tasering someone rather than talking to them.
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Post by midwesterner on Aug 16, 2009 18:19:51 GMT -4
Its pretty easy to stand on your moral high ground and talk about what you would have done. What you would have done would have ended you up in jail, right or wrong. The truth is that they would have believed the cop unless there was a compelling reason not to and even then, they usually slide. 50 in a 45 is against the law, thus the 45 MPH speed limit. Its funny listening to people whine about tickets five over, one over is against the law and you should get a ticket.
So now her maternal instincts made her disobey the officers seemingly lawful order? This is starting to sound like a Law and Order episode. I would use the same logic on you, if your son was that cop and you didnt hear or see the ENTIRE story, would you be so quick to judge without the facts? I dont think so.
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Post by pete1 on Aug 16, 2009 19:09:03 GMT -4
Bottom Line........The tax payers of N.Y. State will pay the damages awarded by the law suit case. Millions of citizens across the country will lose some respect for law enforcement because of this sissy's actions. Her children, family, and friends are now part of the millions of justified cop haters across the country..... Cops used to be the champion of the little guy. Today the little guy is the suspect of the cops. Because of the actions of this A.H. the good cops will have their hands tied a little bit tighter.
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