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Post by pete1 on Dec 20, 2010 19:27:50 GMT -4
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Post by grova on Dec 20, 2010 21:23:03 GMT -4
Bad link. What happened?
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Post by RobMoore on Dec 20, 2010 21:45:17 GMT -4
www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/region/anne_arundel_county_/deer-rescuers-without-life-jackets-finedI agree Pete. These DNR "officers" are part of the problem. Unrelated, but I have a problem with DNR. I see them all the time on 50, trying to play cop. What does a traffic stop on Rt 50 have to do with Natural Resources? They may have been given police powers in order to better to their job, but they are using their powers outside of the purview of their job. ...and no, I haven't been ticketed by them. I just roll my eyes when I see them playing traffic cop.
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Post by AquaHolic on Dec 20, 2010 23:14:17 GMT -4
I could have sworn..that the life preserver law was for people under 16...both of those guys look older then 16....the DNR "cop" is out of line.
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Post by nightpurse99 on Dec 21, 2010 4:53:47 GMT -4
Sorry Guys. DNR was RIGHT!! ;D First off they (DNR) asked they guys to return to the shore and they disregarded the officers order MULTIPLE times. Life jackets are required for EVERYONE on ANY boat regardless of age. Water Temps. are now 38-33 deg F. If one of those guys fell in the water, he has less then 3 min till his core temp drops to life threating levels. After 7 min he is most likely going to suffer brain damage or DEATH. Those guys meant well, however; they put them selves and others at risk. (others as in the rescue / recovery team). How would your reaction to the story be if it read,,, Man dies attempting to rescue a deer in the ice while DNR officers order him back to shore. Those guys were VERY DUMB. They could have left their kids with out a father and someone a widow.  $90.00 is nothing, If you STILL think the guys were right to risk it all for the deer, help to pay their ticket. Doubt a one of you will do that. |
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Post by hisea on Dec 21, 2010 9:10:48 GMT -4
Why would you save a animal that's going to get run over on Rt 8 anyway? Let nature take its course!  |
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Post by Frank on Dec 21, 2010 10:04:55 GMT -4
Why would you save a animal that's going to get run over on Rt 8 anyway? Let nature take its course! Haha. The cycle of life. You're born, raised, and hit by a car on rt 8! I don't remember that from the Lion King! |
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Post by cheezist on Dec 21, 2010 12:59:11 GMT -4
Sorry Guys. DNR was RIGHT!! ;D Absolutely correct, after reading the article you can see DNR should have probably fined them even more. These guys should probably donate some money to the local police and fire departments for wasting their time and resources. I think they got off easy with a $90 fine. With regards to the life jacket laws, there HAS to be enough life jackets on board for every passenger. Life jackets are required to be worn for kids 13 and younger while on any boat under 21', and required at all times on PWC. www.dnr.state.md.us/boating/pdfs/recreationvessels.pdf |
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Post by bluecrabber on Dec 21, 2010 13:16:43 GMT -4
One of the news articles I read stated that flotation devices were on the boat..
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Post by hisea on Dec 21, 2010 13:46:33 GMT -4
Its a fine line between compassion and stupidity! Save a cow and protect the chickens! ;D  ENJOY! ;D www.darwinawards.com/In honor of Charles Darwin, we commemorate the remains of those who yield to natural selection, and improve our gene pool by "removing" themselves from it. This Award is usually bestowed posthumously. |
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Post by constructr on Dec 21, 2010 16:39:42 GMT -4
Idiotic - both the officer and those mocking the men saving the life of a deer. You are correct, they had no reason or obligation to do anything for that animal - they owed it nothing and it can do nothing in return - and they gain absolutely nothing by their actions (mockery doesn't count). But by their grace and mercy alone they granted that animal a second chance and the right to live. Maybe someday they'll need to be shown a little grace and mercy. Hmm... That ought to sound familiar, for at least 93% of the US population.  Yep! |
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Post by RobMoore on Dec 21, 2010 17:34:36 GMT -4
I think this is another one of those topics where Right vs Wrong and Legal vs Illegal are two separate issues.
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Post by pete1 on Dec 21, 2010 18:23:48 GMT -4
A retired DNR cop told me there is 18 inches of paint pigment on the bottom by the south west side of the Key Bridge. The culprit is big business, and nothing is done to stop the problem. Seat belts, and now life jackets are the priority of law enforcement.....The DNR cop had several chances to tell the rescuers to stop, get ticketed, or be arrested. He chose to stand by and watch the citizens conduct the rescue. When the danger was over Barnie Fife issued the tickets.
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Post by nightpurse99 on Dec 21, 2010 20:49:36 GMT -4
I think this is another one of those topics where Right vs Wrong and Legal vs Illegal are two separate issues. The guys were WRONG and acted illegaly. DNR did the job they are payed to do. Sure no one wants to see a deer suffer, but NO ONE wants to go to a funeral B/C of two guys and a deer. Why Pete,would keep poking fun of the DNR officers? I think they did their job as ordered. |
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Post by falgar25 on Dec 21, 2010 21:02:29 GMT -4
I think this is another one of those topics where Right vs Wrong and Legal vs Illegal are two separate issues. Agree. Definitely reads like a contempt-of-cop situation. Things would have turned out better had someone not called 911 in the first place. |
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Post by chickennecker11 on Dec 21, 2010 21:08:24 GMT -4
NICE JOB DNR police !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by nightpurse99 on Dec 21, 2010 22:09:08 GMT -4
[ Things would have turned out better had someone not called 911 in the first place. [/quote]
REALLY???
So, if one of the guys fell in and only had a few minutes to live it was better NOT to have help near by?
Humm...
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Post by falgar25 on Dec 21, 2010 22:46:08 GMT -4
REALLY??? So, if one of the guys fell in and only had a few minutes to live it was better NOT to have help near by? Humm... No, of course not, how foolish that sounds. But, if there had been a real emergency elsewhere in the county wouldn't it have been better to have the officers closer to that location rather than standing around getting frustrated that a couple of guys were taking action when they chose not too? Someone could have died while they were out complaining that two guys were rescuing that deer and then writing the tickets and generally being unavailable. Was it really better to have the officers giving out nuisance tickets and earning the department some bad press rather than having them in position to help during a real emergency? Hmm... Who decided the men were in any danger at all? The NRP that gave them the tickets? I have a feeling their opinions are just a bit biased. I don't have the statistics available, but I wonder whether more people died in boating accidents during the winter or the summer. Did more people die in boating accidents or car accidents? If protecting lives is the issue, should the NRP demand that people stay out of their boats during cold weather, during warm weather, or should they forget about boats and demand that people don't drive? Maybe, just maybe, the Govt. should spend a little less time trying to protect me from myself and should spend a little more time protecting me from those who really wish to harm me. |
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Post by hisea on Dec 21, 2010 23:23:03 GMT -4
It was a GD deer!  |
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Post by nightpurse99 on Dec 21, 2010 23:59:52 GMT -4
REALLY??? So, if one of the guys fell in and only had a few minutes to live it was better NOT to have help near by? Humm... No, of course not, how foolish that sounds. But, if there had been a real emergency elsewhere in the county wouldn't it have been better to have the officers closer to that location rather than standing around getting frustrated that a couple of guys were taking action when they chose not too? Someone could have died while they were out complaining that two guys were rescuing that deer and then writing the tickets and generally being unavailable. Was it really better to have the officers giving out nuisance tickets and earning the department some bad press rather than having them in position to help during a real emergency? Hmm... Who decided the men were in any danger at all? The NRP that gave them the tickets? I have a feeling their opinions are just a bit biased. I don't have the statistics available, but I wonder whether more people died in boating accidents during the winter or the summer. Did more people die in boating accidents or car accidents? If protecting lives is the issue, should the NRP demand that people stay out of their boats during cold weather, during warm weather, or should they forget about boats and demand that people don't drive? Maybe, just maybe, the Govt. should spend a little less time trying to protect me from myself and should spend a little more time protecting me from those who really wish to harm me. Since you MUST have a crystal Ball to know When and Where an emergency will happen please do share.. OK lets think this through a little shall we. Two Guys in a boat with out a life vest. ICE on the water Dealing with a WILD animal So far all is still well with you? eh? You don't want the DNR there B/C another emergency could happen somewhere else. OK now, so if one of the guys falls in OR deer pulls him in OR slips OR they both fall in OR boat over turns OR.... get the point ? You are saying that YOU think it is better to not have them (DNR) right there to help you out.. humm??? Now then, if you do fall in they will activate EMS / Fire Rescue. Your tax $$ at work to save the life of a guy who wanted to help Bambi.. Possibly activate Life Flight to get you to Shock Trauma $$$ Possibly activate search and rescue to find the DEAD body$$$$ BUT you said the DNR officers chose not to go in for the deer and that is why the guys did? Perhaps they thought it out and found the risk NOT worth the reward. How dare these guys Bit*h about the $90.00 ticket they earned when they risked the tax payers 100K -200K for emergency services. Not to mention the very lives of the Emergency Responders themselves. ( many die in the line of duty each year helping US out). Your argument is like the DRUNK DRIVER who made it home "this time" -- Hey man I didn't hurt no body, I drive better when I am drunk, damm cops need to find something better to do then bust me for DWI-- Jack Wagon! |
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Post by falgar25 on Dec 22, 2010 7:10:31 GMT -4
Wow! I guess you told me! Just so I'm sure, should I be most impressed with: A. Your command of the English language? B. Your clever wit? C. Your logical reasoning? D. Your ability to channel your inner six year old? |
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Post by bluecrabber on Dec 22, 2010 9:56:26 GMT -4
One of the news articles I read stated that flotation devices were on the boat.. Another article yesterday in the Capital states PFD's were not on the boat. ?? BTW, the "jack wagon" reference makes me laugh. One of the best commercials in a long time.. Reflects the way I would like to react to lot of people these days... send them to namby-pamby land ... bunch of cry babies...  |
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Post by Inspector on Dec 22, 2010 12:18:59 GMT -4
nightpurse99: Excellent, well-worded and well thought out post.
The response you got to it shows that your logic could not be refuted thus the pathetic sarcasm.
DNR did right, the idiots in the boat did something dangerous and stupid and saying they were noble just because they survived is wrong.
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Post by jetdoc3037 on Dec 23, 2010 9:31:25 GMT -4
Sometimes we do things without thinking it out fully, its called a reaction. Some people are willing to sacrifice themselves for others, even animals. I would not have been able to watch a deer drown and not do something.
I totally believe in Karma, and those guys will be rewarded for their selfless act. It was noble what they did.
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Post by cheezist on Jan 6, 2011 17:32:53 GMT -4
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