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Post by frankf on Apr 25, 2014 8:45:16 GMT -4
Sign the petition! Make our voices heard & even if they don't, inundate Phil with emails! How is this any different then the annual permit to use the boat launches. Instead of raising the funds from everyone, just people who use the beaches pay. I buy a boat ramp permit every year. Should I ask the county to make everyone pay for this even if they don't use the launches? Everyone is always complaining about taxes property taxes going up including me but this is a way to make the users pay and not the general public. You want clean beaches like Kristin has been complaining about for 2 years. Well you get what you asked for! IT'S $35. One night of drinking for me (at home) The point is we are already taxed for park maintenance. This is an unenforceable double tax levied against those who drive into the park rather than walk in. If it's successful, it will result in less people using the parks and isn't that's what a PUBLIC park is for? To be used? The burden for public schools are born by all. You aren't handed a bill when you enroll your kid. Why should this function of local government be any different?
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Post by cruzincat on Apr 25, 2014 9:22:50 GMT -4
If they actually do hire 1-2 park rangers then I'm all for the permit. Don't hold your breath. How many permits would they have to sell to bring in enough money for one ranger's salary plus benefits, and still have money left over for other added expenses, such as a vehicle to travel between beaches, etc.?
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Post by jackbquick on Apr 25, 2014 9:32:02 GMT -4
How is this any different then the annual permit to use the boat launches. Instead of raising the funds from everyone, just people who use the beaches pay. I buy a boat ramp permit every year. Should I ask the county to make everyone pay for this even if they don't use the launches? Everyone is always complaining about taxes property taxes going up including me but this is a way to make the users pay and not the general public. You want clean beaches like Kristin has been complaining about for 2 years. Well you get what you asked for! IT'S $35. One night of drinking for me (at home) The point is we are already taxed for park maintenance. This is an unenforceable double tax levied against those who drive into the park rather than walk in. If it's successful, it will result in less people using the parks and isn't that's what a PUBLIC park is for? To be used? The burden for public schools are born by all. You aren't handed a bill when you enroll your kid. Why should this function of local government be any different? Well now we I will be taxed less. Very rarely do I use the beaches and now I do not have to pay for everyone else who does. I think people who have kids in the School system should pay a little more while the kids are in the system. Per child so that if you want to have 5 children I am not paying for all that. Frankf, I know you disagree but this is why we have two different parties because people think differently. Personally, I have to wonder how much of this is because of Kristin complaining so much to the county to maintain the beaches. Well here you go!
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Post by paulcomfort on Apr 25, 2014 10:13:09 GMT -4
Queen Anne's County now requires a $35 permit for residents to use our public parks with beach access. BAD CALL. With a multi-million dollar surplus this year - we don't need another new fee to access the beaches we as citizens already own.
If I am elected County Commissioner I will make a motion our first night in session to repeal this fee and eliminate this permit program. Citizens should not have to pay to use their own public parks.
If the rationale is to reduce litter and vagrancy I am even more opposed to this fee on principle. The best way to address litter and vagrancy on beaches is not to punish all the law abiding citizens of the county by requiring them to pay a fee and get a permit to walk on their beach. The way to address vagrants and the litter they leave behind is to have regulations in place that address these specific behaviors and then enforce them.
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Post by jackbquick on Apr 25, 2014 10:26:45 GMT -4
Queen Anne's County now requires a $35 permit for residents to use our public parks with beach access. BAD CALL. With a multi-million dollar surplus this year - we don't need another new fee to access the beaches we as citizens already own.
If I am elected County Commissioner I will make a motion our first night in session to repeal this fee and eliminate this permit program. Citizens should not have to pay to use their own public parks.
If the rationale is to reduce litter and vagrancy I am even more opposed to this fee on principle. The best way to address litter and vagrancy on beaches is not to punish all the law abiding citizens of the county by requiring them to pay a fee and get a permit to walk on their beach. The way to address vagrants and the litter they leave behind is to have regulations in place that address these specific behaviors and then enforce them. That is what the county is proposing is to hire people to enforce laws. How will you pay for these new staff? Will you reverse the boat ramp permit also? Where are you going to take the monies from to pay for this? OR you just going to raise the property tax rate to pay for it OR are you just going to force Kristin and her volunteers to clean the beaches forever? Don't just say you are going to do something. Tell us how you are going to deal with it in a different way.
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Post by shoreterp on Apr 25, 2014 10:47:12 GMT -4
Paul - What I would like to hear from you is that you would introduce a motion to recind the income tax hike passed by our wonderful current commissioners two years ago making us the highest (income) taxed county in the state. You do that and you have my vote, an everyone else I can convince. Queen Anne's County now requires a $35 permit for residents to use our public parks with beach access. BAD CALL. With a multi-million dollar surplus this year - we don't need another new fee to access the beaches we as citizens already own.
If I am elected County Commissioner I will make a motion our first night in session to repeal this fee and eliminate this permit program. Citizens should not have to pay to use their own public parks.
If the rationale is to reduce litter and vagrancy I am even more opposed to this fee on principle. The best way to address litter and vagrancy on beaches is not to punish all the law abiding citizens of the county by requiring them to pay a fee and get a permit to walk on their beach. The way to address vagrants and the litter they leave behind is to have regulations in place that address these specific behaviors and then enforce them.
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Post by alleycat on Apr 25, 2014 11:24:23 GMT -4
Sign the petition! Make our voices heard & even if they don't, inundate Phil with emails! How is this any different then the annual permit to use the boat launches. Instead of raising the funds from everyone, just people who use the beaches pay. I buy a boat ramp permit every year. Should I ask the county to make everyone pay for this even if they don't use the launches? Everyone is always complaining about taxes property taxes going up including me but this is a way to make the users pay and not the general public. You want clean beaches like Kristin has been complaining about for 2 years. Well you get what you asked for! IT'S $35. One night of drinking for me (at home) You people are unbelievable! (im commenting here after reading some of the next comments, not only yours.) You spent all of last year and more pissing and moaning about the trash. Kristin got up off her duff and DID something about it! Now you're pissing and moaning because maybe...MAYBE...one of the results of her actions MIGHT be the permit requirement. Someone said it was unenforcable. Probably true. But if you're going to make the users pay, what difference is it if they walk in or drive in? Walkers can leave trash, too. Where and how do you draw the line? if I go to a boat ramp and park, do I have to pay, or only if I'm using the ramp? At a park, how far away do you have to park on the street before you're in violation, since that seems to be part of the reg? There are many questions raised by all this, and I don't pretend to have the answers, and 35$/year likely won't hurt anyone much, but the is the principle of the thing. And, to jbq or whoever it was that mentioned schools...if I am not a user of the system, why should I pay for it? Why should I pay for the metro system? A govt person once suggested to me that we should (at the time I worked in dc), even though there was no way in,y lifetime at least that the system would ever come here for me to takes advantage of it point is, you can go around on these things forever.
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Post by jackbquick on Apr 25, 2014 12:26:53 GMT -4
How is this any different then the annual permit to use the boat launches. Instead of raising the funds from everyone, just people who use the beaches pay. I buy a boat ramp permit every year. Should I ask the county to make everyone pay for this even if they don't use the launches? Everyone is always complaining about taxes property taxes going up including me but this is a way to make the users pay and not the general public. You want clean beaches like Kristin has been complaining about for 2 years. Well you get what you asked for! IT'S $35. One night of drinking for me (at home) You people are unbelievable! (im commenting here after reading some of the next comments, not only yours.) You spent all of last year and more pissing and moaning about the trash. Kristin got up off her duff and DID something about it! Now you're pissing and moaning because maybe...MAYBE...one of the results of her actions MIGHT be the permit requirement. Someone said it was unenforcable. Probably true. But if you're going to make the users pay, what difference is it if they walk in or drive in? Walkers can leave trash, too. Where and how do you draw the line? if I go to a boat ramp and park, do I have to pay, or only if I'm using the ramp? At a park, how far away do you have to park on the street before you're in violation, since that seems to be part of the reg? There are many questions raised by all this, and I don't pretend to have the answers, and 35$/year likely won't hurt anyone much, but the is the principle of the thing. And, to jbq or whoever it was that mentioned schools...if I am not a user of the system, why should I pay for it? Why should I pay for the metro system? A govt person once suggested to me that we should (at the time I worked in dc), even though there was no way in,y lifetime at least that the system would ever come here for me to takes advantage of it point is, you can go around on these things forever. I never once commented about trash and yes I think we should have more of a system where you pay for what you use. Including sewer!
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Post by kncook07 on Apr 25, 2014 16:19:36 GMT -4
I feel like I need to get back on here and defend myself, my group and what I stand for a little bit more…
When I moved here, I saw a MAJOR problem, it irritated the hell out of me, and so I decided to do something about it. I don’t like to complain and not get involved, or find a resolution somehow. Jackbquick, I am not quite sure if you seem to be against what I stand for or if you’re for what I do, but I will tell you that saying twice on here that “Kristin is complaining” is very incorrect. The word “complain” has a negative connotation to it – meaning, someone is whining and just venting. I have never once made a statement on my Facebook page, website or in any capacity on this site, without presenting a solution of some sort. I have worked very hard in the last two years to solicit volunteers within the community and outside of QAC to help clean up our beaches and parks that ultimately are in a critical area to our Chesapeake Bay. I have to reach out to Parks and Rec as I am essentially doing a job that they should be doing, but for whatever reasons unknown, cannot. I have to work with them on some level as I need approval for certain events, projects, etc…My group has placed additional trash receptacles at Terrapin, as well as three fishing recycling bins at Terrapin and Kent Narrows. All of these things need to have county involvement for me to do. So yes, I do speak to Parks and Rec, our commissioners, Sherriff, and county waste on a weekly basis, as I need their permission. My hope is that with any resolution, we’ll come together as a community and make the beaches and parks a cleaner, safer and healthier place.
There is probably some truth to your statement that by me bringing attention to the pollution issues, Parks and Rec has decided to put a permit process in place. I have zero control over their decisions, and I have nothing to do with this permit process directly. I never suggested it, nor do I still fully agree with it. But I could have easily sat back, continued to just complain about the issue and done absolutely nothing about it. There may have never been a permit process in place, but we’d still have trash all over the beach. My groups goal is to hold monthly cleanups, get the community more involved (including younger children so they care for our environment when they grow older), and to bring awareness to this issue. What happens after that is out of my control. I would have liked to see Parks and Rec get more involved with my group by providing more assistance with refurbishing the signs, cleaning back the trees and plants that are overgrown, and in the future (once we have our nonprofit status), some additional plans I have for the beaches and parks. I would have simply liked it if they continued to let my group do what we do since we were making great strides. I believe we will continue to do so, even with this permit process in place. Those that truly care for our parks and beaches will move on from this. I certainly understand people’s frustrations – I really do. $35 isn’t a big deal to me, if it is being used to do what they said it will be used for. For some, $35 is a big deal. I cannot speak for others, but what I can say is this…Like a few of the users have mentioned in the comments before me, this is an election year! Get out and vote. Get out and volunteer with my group. Get out and volunteer with any group. Do something other than just talking about what ifs. It really gives you a different perspective on everything.
Kristin Cook Kent Island Beach Cleanups.com
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Post by ravens20 on Apr 25, 2014 18:04:55 GMT -4
I feel like I need to get back on here and defend myself, my group and what I stand for a little bit more…
When I moved here, I saw a MAJOR problem, it irritated the hell out of me, and so I decided to do something about it. I don’t like to complain and not get involved, or find a resolution somehow. Jackbquick, I am not quite sure if you seem to be against what I stand for or if you’re for what I do, but I will tell you that saying twice on here that “Kristin is complaining” is very incorrect. The word “complain” has a negative connotation to it – meaning, someone is whining and just venting. I have never once made a statement on my Facebook page, website or in any capacity on this site, without presenting a solution of some sort. I have worked very hard in the last two years to solicit volunteers within the community and outside of QAC to help clean up our beaches and parks that ultimately are in a critical area to our Chesapeake Bay. I have to reach out to Parks and Rec as I am essentially doing a job that they should be doing, but for whatever reasons unknown, cannot. I have to work with them on some level as I need approval for certain events, projects, etc…My group has placed additional trash receptacles at Terrapin, as well as three fishing recycling bins at Terrapin and Kent Narrows. All of these things need to have county involvement for me to do. So yes, I do speak to Parks and Rec, our commissioners, Sherriff, and county waste on a weekly basis, as I need their permission. My hope is that with any resolution, we’ll come together as a community and make the beaches and parks a cleaner, safer and healthier place.
There is probably some truth to your statement that by me bringing attention to the pollution issues, Parks and Rec has decided to put a permit process in place. I have zero control over their decisions, and I have nothing to do with this permit process directly. I never suggested it, nor do I still fully agree with it. But I could have easily sat back, continued to just complain about the issue and done absolutely nothing about it. There may have never been a permit process in place, but we’d still have trash all over the beach. My groups goal is to hold monthly cleanups, get the community more involved (including younger children so they care for our environment when they grow older), and to bring awareness to this issue. What happens after that is out of my control. I would have liked to see Parks and Rec get more involved with my group by providing more assistance with refurbishing the signs, cleaning back the trees and plants that are overgrown, and in the future (once we have our nonprofit status), some additional plans I have for the beaches and parks. I would have simply liked it if they continued to let my group do what we do since we were making great strides. I believe we will continue to do so, even with this permit process in place. Those that truly care for our parks and beaches will move on from this. I certainly understand people’s frustrations – I really do. $35 isn’t a big deal to me, if it is being used to do what they said it will be used for. For some, $35 is a big deal. I cannot speak for others, but what I can say is this…Like a few of the users have mentioned in the comments before me, this is an election year! Get out and vote. Get out and volunteer with my group. Get out and volunteer with any group. Do something other than just talking about what ifs. It really gives you a different perspective on everything.
Kristin Cook Kent Island Beach Cleanups.com You don't need to defend yourself, just ignore the fools. Keep doing what you're doing, I hope to get out there once my foot is healed (broke it earlier this year) and join some of the clean ups.
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Post by jackbquick on Apr 25, 2014 18:06:36 GMT -4
I feel like I need to get back on here and defend myself, my group and what I stand for a little bit more…
When I moved here, I saw a MAJOR problem, it irritated the hell out of me, and so I decided to do something about it. I don’t like to complain and not get involved, or find a resolution somehow. Jackbquick, I am not quite sure if you seem to be against what I stand for or if you’re for what I do, but I will tell you that saying twice on here that “Kristin is complaining” is very incorrect. The word “complain” has a negative connotation to it – meaning, someone is whining and just venting. I have never once made a statement on my Facebook page, website or in any capacity on this site, without presenting a solution of some sort. I have worked very hard in the last two years to solicit volunteers within the community and outside of QAC to help clean up our beaches and parks that ultimately are in a critical area to our Chesapeake Bay. I have to reach out to Parks and Rec as I am essentially doing a job that they should be doing, but for whatever reasons unknown, cannot. I have to work with them on some level as I need approval for certain events, projects, etc…My group has placed additional trash receptacles at Terrapin, as well as three fishing recycling bins at Terrapin and Kent Narrows. All of these things need to have county involvement for me to do. So yes, I do speak to Parks and Rec, our commissioners, Sherriff, and county waste on a weekly basis, as I need their permission. My hope is that with any resolution, we’ll come together as a community and make the beaches and parks a cleaner, safer and healthier place.
There is probably some truth to your statement that by me bringing attention to the pollution issues, Parks and Rec has decided to put a permit process in place. I have zero control over their decisions, and I have nothing to do with this permit process directly. I never suggested it, nor do I still fully agree with it. But I could have easily sat back, continued to just complain about the issue and done absolutely nothing about it. There may have never been a permit process in place, but we’d still have trash all over the beach. My groups goal is to hold monthly cleanups, get the community more involved (including younger children so they care for our environment when they grow older), and to bring awareness to this issue. What happens after that is out of my control. I would have liked to see Parks and Rec get more involved with my group by providing more assistance with refurbishing the signs, cleaning back the trees and plants that are overgrown, and in the future (once we have our nonprofit status), some additional plans I have for the beaches and parks. I would have simply liked it if they continued to let my group do what we do since we were making great strides. I believe we will continue to do so, even with this permit process in place. Those that truly care for our parks and beaches will move on from this. I certainly understand people’s frustrations – I really do. $35 isn’t a big deal to me, if it is being used to do what they said it will be used for. For some, $35 is a big deal. I cannot speak for others, but what I can say is this…Like a few of the users have mentioned in the comments before me, this is an election year! Get out and vote. Get out and volunteer with my group. Get out and volunteer with any group. Do something other than just talking about what ifs. It really gives you a different perspective on everything.
Kristin Cook Kent Island Beach Cleanups.com Kristin, I think what you are doing is great. I have volunteered many times to clean the county beach by the exploration center. Nancy organizes it. I have no problem with the $35 fee. My point is that if you organize and go to the county over and over again which you are entitled to do this stuff, fees, is going to happen. I noticed that when you commented on trash you included Shane and Todd. If everybody bombards them what do you think is going to happen? More fees to hire more staff to pay for it. Services cost monies. More services cost more monies. How much services do people want to pay for? I say bring it on!
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Post by ravens20 on Apr 25, 2014 18:54:36 GMT -4
I feel like I need to get back on here and defend myself, my group and what I stand for a little bit more…
When I moved here, I saw a MAJOR problem, it irritated the hell out of me, and so I decided to do something about it. I don’t like to complain and not get involved, or find a resolution somehow. Jackbquick, I am not quite sure if you seem to be against what I stand for or if you’re for what I do, but I will tell you that saying twice on here that “Kristin is complaining” is very incorrect. The word “complain” has a negative connotation to it – meaning, someone is whining and just venting. I have never once made a statement on my Facebook page, website or in any capacity on this site, without presenting a solution of some sort. I have worked very hard in the last two years to solicit volunteers within the community and outside of QAC to help clean up our beaches and parks that ultimately are in a critical area to our Chesapeake Bay. I have to reach out to Parks and Rec as I am essentially doing a job that they should be doing, but for whatever reasons unknown, cannot. I have to work with them on some level as I need approval for certain events, projects, etc…My group has placed additional trash receptacles at Terrapin, as well as three fishing recycling bins at Terrapin and Kent Narrows. All of these things need to have county involvement for me to do. So yes, I do speak to Parks and Rec, our commissioners, Sherriff, and county waste on a weekly basis, as I need their permission. My hope is that with any resolution, we’ll come together as a community and make the beaches and parks a cleaner, safer and healthier place.
There is probably some truth to your statement that by me bringing attention to the pollution issues, Parks and Rec has decided to put a permit process in place. I have zero control over their decisions, and I have nothing to do with this permit process directly. I never suggested it, nor do I still fully agree with it. But I could have easily sat back, continued to just complain about the issue and done absolutely nothing about it. There may have never been a permit process in place, but we’d still have trash all over the beach. My groups goal is to hold monthly cleanups, get the community more involved (including younger children so they care for our environment when they grow older), and to bring awareness to this issue. What happens after that is out of my control. I would have liked to see Parks and Rec get more involved with my group by providing more assistance with refurbishing the signs, cleaning back the trees and plants that are overgrown, and in the future (once we have our nonprofit status), some additional plans I have for the beaches and parks. I would have simply liked it if they continued to let my group do what we do since we were making great strides. I believe we will continue to do so, even with this permit process in place. Those that truly care for our parks and beaches will move on from this. I certainly understand people’s frustrations – I really do. $35 isn’t a big deal to me, if it is being used to do what they said it will be used for. For some, $35 is a big deal. I cannot speak for others, but what I can say is this…Like a few of the users have mentioned in the comments before me, this is an election year! Get out and vote. Get out and volunteer with my group. Get out and volunteer with any group. Do something other than just talking about what ifs. It really gives you a different perspective on everything.
Kristin Cook Kent Island Beach Cleanups.com Kristin, I think what you are doing is great. I have volunteered many times to clean the county beach by the exploration center. Nancy organizes it. I have no problem with the $35 fee. My point is that if you organize and go to the county over and over again which you are entitled to do this stuff, fees, is going to happen. I noticed that when you commented on trash you included Shane and Todd. If everybody bombards them what do you think is going to happen? More fees to hire more staff to pay for it. Services cost monies. More services cost more monies. How much services do people want to pay for? I say bring it on! I agree. I'm perfectly fine with paying to use public parks and beaches as long as they're clean and the rules are enforced.
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Post by kncook07 on Apr 25, 2014 19:37:08 GMT -4
I feel like I need to get back on here and defend myself, my group and what I stand for a little bit more…
When I moved here, I saw a MAJOR problem, it irritated the hell out of me, and so I decided to do something about it. I don’t like to complain and not get involved, or find a resolution somehow. Jackbquick, I am not quite sure if you seem to be against what I stand for or if you’re for what I do, but I will tell you that saying twice on here that “Kristin is complaining” is very incorrect. The word “complain” has a negative connotation to it – meaning, someone is whining and just venting. I have never once made a statement on my Facebook page, website or in any capacity on this site, without presenting a solution of some sort. I have worked very hard in the last two years to solicit volunteers within the community and outside of QAC to help clean up our beaches and parks that ultimately are in a critical area to our Chesapeake Bay. I have to reach out to Parks and Rec as I am essentially doing a job that they should be doing, but for whatever reasons unknown, cannot. I have to work with them on some level as I need approval for certain events, projects, etc…My group has placed additional trash receptacles at Terrapin, as well as three fishing recycling bins at Terrapin and Kent Narrows. All of these things need to have county involvement for me to do. So yes, I do speak to Parks and Rec, our commissioners, Sherriff, and county waste on a weekly basis, as I need their permission. My hope is that with any resolution, we’ll come together as a community and make the beaches and parks a cleaner, safer and healthier place.
There is probably some truth to your statement that by me bringing attention to the pollution issues, Parks and Rec has decided to put a permit process in place. I have zero control over their decisions, and I have nothing to do with this permit process directly. I never suggested it, nor do I still fully agree with it. But I could have easily sat back, continued to just complain about the issue and done absolutely nothing about it. There may have never been a permit process in place, but we’d still have trash all over the beach. My groups goal is to hold monthly cleanups, get the community more involved (including younger children so they care for our environment when they grow older), and to bring awareness to this issue. What happens after that is out of my control. I would have liked to see Parks and Rec get more involved with my group by providing more assistance with refurbishing the signs, cleaning back the trees and plants that are overgrown, and in the future (once we have our nonprofit status), some additional plans I have for the beaches and parks. I would have simply liked it if they continued to let my group do what we do since we were making great strides. I believe we will continue to do so, even with this permit process in place. Those that truly care for our parks and beaches will move on from this. I certainly understand people’s frustrations – I really do. $35 isn’t a big deal to me, if it is being used to do what they said it will be used for. For some, $35 is a big deal. I cannot speak for others, but what I can say is this…Like a few of the users have mentioned in the comments before me, this is an election year! Get out and vote. Get out and volunteer with my group. Get out and volunteer with any group. Do something other than just talking about what ifs. It really gives you a different perspective on everything.
Kristin Cook Kent Island Beach Cleanups.com Kristin, I think what you are doing is great. I have volunteered many times to clean the county beach by the exploration center. Nancy organizes it. I have no problem with the $35 fee. My point is that if you organize and go to the county over and over again which you are entitled to do this stuff, fees, is going to happen. I noticed that when you commented on trash you included Shane and Todd. If everybody bombards them what do you think is going to happen? More fees to hire more staff to pay for it. Services cost monies. More services cost more monies. How much services do people want to pay for? I say bring it on! Jackbquick, Thank you for appreciating what my group does. I guess I am just having a difficult time understanding what it is you suggest people do? Not to be rude, but it is kind of backwards way of thinking - suggesting that we as citizens, do not go to our county officials when there is an issue. I have an issue with the permits for two reasons and two reasons only: 1.) It initially hurts my group's progress as volunteers do not want and should not have to pay anything to cleanup a park. People do these things out of the kindness of their hearts and because they care. We have resolved that issue since any volunteer that joins my cleanups on our specified days gets exemption from the permits for that day only. 2.) I enjoyed having a 276 acre beach and park to go to with my family and dog for free. I saw the issue of major pollution and started to clean it. It is a constant process and will always be a constant process. Pollution is constant and as much as I wish it would go away, it won't. So while I am cleaning it, the county needs to take responsibility as well. Their idea of taking responsibility is with a fee. I knew it would come to this eventually, just not so soon. But I am not going to not say anything because I am afraid of a fee. If the right people are in control, they'll put something in place that makes sense. Regardless...I only posted the information on here for the community to be aware since no one was privy to this information because they did not have a meeting with the county and the county did not bother to explain their stance on they moved forward with the permits in their press release. Just remember, people get on these boards to debate and discuss problems in the community which all great and well, but what is the point if we don't take it to the people in control? It is pointless. You win some and lose some. Have a nice night everyone. As much as I'd love to continue debating this and reiterating my goal for KIBCU, I need a break...and it's Friday. I am going to go spend it with my family and continue this later. Kristin Cook Kent Island Beach Cleanups - KIBCU
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Post by jackbquick on Apr 25, 2014 20:12:20 GMT -4
Kristin, I think what you are doing is great. I have volunteered many times to clean the county beach by the exploration center. Nancy organizes it. I have no problem with the $35 fee. My point is that if you organize and go to the county over and over again which you are entitled to do this stuff, fees, is going to happen. I noticed that when you commented on trash you included Shane and Todd. If everybody bombards them what do you think is going to happen? More fees to hire more staff to pay for it. Services cost monies. More services cost more monies. How much services do people want to pay for? I say bring it on! Jackbquick, Thank you for appreciating what my group does. I guess I am just having a difficult time understanding what it is you suggest people do? Not to be rude, but it is kind of backwards way of thinking - suggesting that we as citizens, do not go to our county officials when there is an issue. I have an issue with the permits for two reasons and two reasons only: 1.) It initially hurts my group's progress as volunteers do not want and should not have to pay anything to cleanup a park. People do these things out of the kindness of their hearts and because they care. We have resolved that issue since any volunteer that joins my cleanups on our specified days gets exemption from the permits for that day only. 2.) I enjoyed having a 276 acre beach and park to go to with my family and dog for free. I saw the issue of major pollution and started to clean it. It is a constant process and will always be a constant process. Pollution is constant and as much as I wish it would go away, it won't. So while I am cleaning it, the county needs to take responsibility as well. Their idea of taking responsibility is with a fee. I knew it would come to this eventually, just not so soon. But I am not going to not say anything because I am afraid of a fee. If the right people are in control, they'll put something in place that makes sense. Regardless...I only posted the information on here for the community to be aware since no one was privy to this information because they did not have a meeting with the county and the county did not bother to explain their stance on they moved forward with the permits in their press release. Just remember, people get on these boards to debate and discuss problems in the community which all great and well, but what is the point if we don't take it to the people in control? It is pointless. You win some and lose some. Have a nice night everyone. As much as I'd love to continue debating this and reiterating my goal for KIBCU, I need a break...and it's Friday. I am going to go spend it with my family and continue this later. Kristin Cook Kent Island Beach Cleanups - KIBCU Kristin, I am with you, just fight for it. Somehow we have to pay for it and you need to organize against those who want to start a petition. If you want the services and you get them, then you need to fight to defend the need to pay for them. Amazing that people want clean beaches and then fight a $35 a year fee. I am sure Shane and Todd said we got to do something about this but we do not have the resources and staff. This is how they can help you.
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Post by j80sailer on Apr 25, 2014 21:49:11 GMT -4
Maybe the New McDonalds could donate some funds to the cause! They say they want to be a part of the community, well here is a great way for them to give back! And what a great cause to be involved with!
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Post by alleycat on Apr 25, 2014 23:27:27 GMT -4
You people are unbelievable! (im commenting here after reading some of the next comments, not only yours.) You spent all of last year and more pissing and moaning about the trash. Kristin got up off her duff and DID something about it! Now you're pissing and moaning because maybe...MAYBE...one of the results of her actions MIGHT be the permit requirement. Someone said it was unenforcable. Probably true. But if you're going to make the users pay, what difference is it if they walk in or drive in? Walkers can leave trash, too. Where and how do you draw the line? if I go to a boat ramp and park, do I have to pay, or only if I'm using the ramp? At a park, how far away do you have to park on the street before you're in violation, since that seems to be part of the reg? There are many questions raised by all this, and I don't pretend to have the answers, and 35$/year likely won't hurt anyone much, but the is the principle of the thing. And, to jbq or whoever it was that mentioned schools...if I am not a user of the system, why should I pay for it? Why should I pay for the metro system? A govt person once suggested to me that we should (at the time I worked in dc), even though there was no way in,y lifetime at least that the system would ever come here for me to takes advantage of it point is, you can go around on these things forever. I never once commented about trash and yes I think we should have more of a system where you pay for what you use. Including sewer! The trash on the beach. Duh. And I did not say you, specifically, I said you people.everyone who has been on here complaining one way or the other. And are you now changing your tune just a bit?
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Post by jackbquick on Apr 26, 2014 7:25:12 GMT -4
I never once commented about trash and yes I think we should have more of a system where you pay for what you use. Including sewer! The trash on the beach. Duh. And I did not say you, specifically, I said you people.everyone who has been on here complaining one way or the other. And are you now changing your tune just a bit? Didn't think so but maybe. Ok, I have evolved on this. Now bring it on. Flip Flop Jack. Sound familiar. I am a villain now for changing my mind.
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Post by alleycat on Apr 26, 2014 10:57:40 GMT -4
The trash on the beach. Duh. And I did not say you, specifically, I said you people.everyone who has been on here complaining one way or the other. And are you now changing your tune just a bit? Didn't think so but maybe. Ok, I have evolved on this. Now bring it on. Flip Flop Jack. Sound familiar. I am a villain now for changing my mind. I like it! Or just shorten it to flapjack!
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Post by frankf on Apr 26, 2014 22:00:34 GMT -4
We already pay for the parks. The parks are NOT being policed. The parks are NOT being maintained. Not so very long ago Terrapin Park was nice. Educational placards throughout with information on plants and animals. Today they are all but gone, and the ones that remain are in horrible condition. I frequent the park pretty often. I have NEVER seen the Sheriff's Department or any County personnel roll through. I'm kind of surprised that no one has been jumped there yet to be honest. Trash is everywhere, and Kristan's group is to be commended. But Kristan and her group SHOULDN'T need to do what they do. That's why we pay taxes. Paying an additional tax, which is unenforceable, isn't going to change ANYTHING. Decent parks, just like decent schools and roads and all of the infrastructure that is maintained by local government is essential to keep our county a good place to live. Paying for all of this, no matter if you personally use it or not, does benefit you in the long run. I have no problem paying taxes. None at all. It's the right thing to do and the patriotic thing to do in order to maintain and improve what we have. I don't however like paying taxes TWICE when it's pretty unlikely that those funds will be used to improve the parks that we're already paying for.
And BTW, when I visit Terrapin and the other parks, I leave nothing but footprints.
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Post by ravens20 on Apr 27, 2014 1:11:38 GMT -4
We already pay for the parks. The parks are NOT being policed. The parks are NOT being maintained. Not so very long ago Terrapin Park was nice. Educational placards throughout with information on plants and animals. Today they are all but gone, and the ones that remain are in horrible condition. I frequent the park pretty often. I have NEVER seen the Sheriff's Department or any County personnel roll through. I'm kind of surprised that no one has been jumped there yet to be honest. Trash is everywhere, and Kristan's group is to be commended. But Kristan and her group SHOULDN'T need to do what they do. That's why we pay taxes. Paying an additional tax, which is unenforceable, isn't going to change ANYTHING. Decent parks, just like decent schools and roads and all of the infrastructure that is maintained by local government is essential to keep our county a good place to live. Paying for all of this, no matter if you personally use it or not, does benefit you in the long run. I have no problem paying taxes. None at all. It's the right thing to do and the patriotic thing to do in order to maintain and improve what we have. I don't however like paying taxes TWICE when it's pretty unlikely that those funds will be used to improve the parks that we're already paying for. And BTW, when I visit Terrapin and the other parks, I leave nothing but footprints. Unfortunately it doesn't look like there's enough money to pay for park rangers, hence the new fee. They have to get the money somehow, I'd rather they do it with a fee for those that use the parks than raise taxes for everyone. As it is you have a bunch of people from the other side of the bridge coming over and using the parks for free, now they'll be paying for it as well. It is very much enforceable, unless you don't think they'll ticket people that park without a permit, which I'm sure they will.
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Post by frankf on Apr 27, 2014 1:22:03 GMT -4
Good luck with that. They'll either park across the street and walk in, or do so along the Kent Island trail. How many deputies do you think are on duty at any time covering the entire county? Who's going to write the tickets? MdTA and Stateys won't be writing them.
Would you be in favor of additional fees to your vehicle tags for maintenance and upkeep of the county roads? How about for schools? Sewer and water? Police? Fire and EMS? Of course this is also in addition to the taxes that you already pay for these services. User fees for everything?
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Post by jackbquick on Apr 27, 2014 9:39:41 GMT -4
Good luck with that. They'll either park across the street and walk in, or do so along the Kent Island trail. How many deputies do you think are on duty at any time covering the entire county? Who's going to write the tickets? MdTA and Stateys won't be writing them. Would you be in favor of additional fees to your vehicle tags for maintenance and upkeep of the county roads? How about for schools? Sewer and water? Police? Fire and EMS? Of course this is also in addition to the taxes that you already pay for these services. User fees for everything? Yes to sewer!
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Post by kncook07 on Apr 27, 2014 11:30:37 GMT -4
While our community, it's current politicians and candidates running for this years election discuss the highly debated issue of the new beach permits, let's not forget that there is still a REAL issue of pollution on our beaches and parks here on KI and in the entire Chesapeake Bay region. We can do one of two things...we can continue to complain or state that we are angry, and stop cleaning the beaches. We can say that our tax dollars are already going towards maintaining the beach, so why would we volunteer to clean it? Or we can keep pushing forward, showing our dedication, regardless of adversity or new rules/regulations that we may disagree with.
I go to Terrapin Beach every week. There is always trash and there will always be trash...regardless of a permit. There will always be people who do not follow laws and have zero respect for our environment. Let's not forget that please.
Come join us for our next cleanup at Terrapin Beach Park on Saturday, May 10th at 8:45 am. We will have a 1-day permit to provide you for free. The only thing we ask is that you volunteer, whether it be for 1 hour or the entire 3 hours. Please help us maintain our goal to keep KI free from pollution!
PS: Please RSVP to the cleanup event below. It helps us organize our supplies that we provide to you:) Thank you!
www.facebook.com/events/636315673101742/
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Post by ravens20 on Apr 27, 2014 19:03:23 GMT -4
Good luck with that. They'll either park across the street and walk in, or do so along the Kent Island trail. How many deputies do you think are on duty at any time covering the entire county? Who's going to write the tickets? MdTA and Stateys won't be writing them. Would you be in favor of additional fees to your vehicle tags for maintenance and upkeep of the county roads? How about for schools? Sewer and water? Police? Fire and EMS? Of course this is also in addition to the taxes that you already pay for these services. User fees for everything? I'd take it on a case by case basis. There's clearly not enough money to properly police and maintain the public parks, so I'm fine with charging a small annual fee to the people that use them. You can't constantly Censored Bad Word Here and moan about the state of our public parks, then when the county tries to improve them via a small fee Censored Bad Word Here and moan about that too. Yes, some of our taxes already go towards the parks, but it's obviously not enough to provide the services that people expect. Luckily it's a voluntary fee. If you don't think it's enforceable then what are you complaining about? Don't buy a pass and use the parks like you always have, you won't get a ticket right? Also, that stuff happens all the time. Toll roads, bridge tolls, etc... If you build a new house you have to pay to hook up to county sewer. If you think public school is free then you obviously don't have children in school.
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Post by frankf on Apr 27, 2014 23:20:53 GMT -4
Good luck with that. They'll either park across the street and walk in, or do so along the Kent Island trail. How many deputies do you think are on duty at any time covering the entire county? Who's going to write the tickets? MdTA and Stateys won't be writing them. Would you be in favor of additional fees to your vehicle tags for maintenance and upkeep of the county roads? How about for schools? Sewer and water? Police? Fire and EMS? Of course this is also in addition to the taxes that you already pay for these services. User fees for everything? I'd take it on a case by case basis. There's clearly not enough money to properly police and maintain the public parks, so I'm fine with charging a small annual fee to the people that use them. You can't constantly Censored Bad Word Here and moan about the state of our public parks, then when the county tries to improve them via a small fee Censored Bad Word Here and moan about that too. Yes, some of our taxes already go towards the parks, but it's obviously not enough to provide the services that people expect. Luckily it's a voluntary fee. If you don't think it's enforceable then what are you complaining about? Don't buy a pass and use the parks like you always have, you won't get a ticket right? Also, that stuff happens all the time. Toll roads, bridge tolls, etc... If you build a new house you have to pay to hook up to county sewer. If you think public school is free then you obviously don't have children in school. I have kids in school. Paying taxes to support the schools benefits all. Keeps them from becoming criminals since they have half a shot at getting a job... Sorry but "case by case basis" doesn't cut it. Who makes that decision? Because you happen to not use a road in eastern QA County doesn't make it ok to not include that road in taxation for it's construction or maintenance. Same here. We have a nice park. It's paid for with tax money. It enhances our community for everyone. Makes it a little nicer of a place to live. It's worthwhile supporting. But taxing it twice with not only our property taxes but an additional fee is BS.
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