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Post by falgar25 on Feb 3, 2007 22:50:06 GMT -4
Falger! At Know time did I attack anyone. My apologies. I'm sure when you wrote you meant it in the best possible way. First: Then just two sentences later: Just who is the "we" who should not be jumping to conclusions? It appears that you have already concluded what the outcome is going to be. If this accident involved just two regular vehicles I wonder if the road would have been closed for four hours. I wonder if five fire Depts and two emergency services squads would have been called. I wonder if anyone would have been medivac'd to Baltimore (maybe). On the other hand, I'm pretty sure there wouldn't have been nearly as much time spent trying to determine what happened.
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Post by ivyswann on Feb 3, 2007 22:52:28 GMT -4
The QA Deputy has a very goo point. If this was any other accident would it be talked about so much. I think not because they happen every day. There is no talk about any of them on this site. People are downing the sheriff's office now. Think about it. They protect and serve you. I am sure if god forbid you need them one day you will be saying other wise.
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Post by ivyswann on Feb 3, 2007 22:55:52 GMT -4
Think about this falgar25 someone was cut out of the car. no matter who it was I'm sure it would have been the same.
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Post by outlaw on Feb 3, 2007 23:10:21 GMT -4
"QA Deputy" - In your attempts to set the record straight you are only confusing the matter further. Deputy Green was not the only witness. The two boys were witnesses. The person the deputy tried to pass was also a witness. Is this not obvious?
Have the witnesses disappeared or developed amnesia? Or perhaps they are anti police haters. So much for the investigation taking 2 to 3 weeks - I guess the "Bay Times" got that wrong too. It seems "QA Deputy" has finished his investigation and wants us all to shut up. Well, TOO BAD!
The police apparently think if they repeat the same story often enough it will become true. "QA Deputy" tells us we don't know what we're talking about but won't answer questions. These are the same people who prance around telling our kids character counts and to just say no to drugs. Kids should also know they should say no to the police, as in NO, you can't search my car and NO, you can't harrass me.
I don't think the deputy should be condemned any more than the boy should be condemned, which the police continue to do even as they tell us to wait for the investigation to be completed. MORE IRONY! The police treat us like we are idiots. Why don't they just say do as I say, not as I do, because I said so? Heil Hofmann!
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Post by bchevy on Feb 3, 2007 23:46:56 GMT -4
BTW: I'm all for painting SOLID lines ALL THE WAY DOWN RTE 8. NO!! Five miles of road with at least 3 miles of straight stretches deserves passing areas. I agree, if it were a more rural area like 5 or more years ago down there. Most people already travel above the speed limit, but that's not enough for some of our fine neighbors down there who don't know how to budget their time enough to leave 5 minutes earlier. Solid stripe it, maybe a fine Eagle scout could make it his project
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Post by BlueMule on Feb 4, 2007 1:48:38 GMT -4
Falger! There was no skid marks made by the police vehicle so that is going going to help. You obviously haven't been to the accident site, have you?
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Post by DaveL on Feb 4, 2007 2:28:54 GMT -4
I think that a good lesson should be learned here. There is obvious dislike of the local police and some PR work is in need. The reason for the harsh words towards the police from what I have read a few pages in here is that the locals see the police as having nothing else better to do than write traffic tickets and stalk people leaving bars, while drugs are rampant and crime thrives in parts of Grasonville and Cloverfields. I haven't signed up to create polls yet, but a good one might be to see what everyone actually thinks of the police, friends or enemies. I think that the police need to get out and show that they are the good people that they are and also that they need to rethink their priorities as far as hunting the locals to give tickets. I think that anyone who becomes a law enforcement officer deserves respect, but I also feel that the officers need to respect the wishes of the people that pay their salaries. That said, I do believe the police on their take of the Rte accident only because the other drivers were so young, and honestly, nobody should be driving under at least 18 years old. If you're not an adult, you shouldn't have adult responsibilities. Don't even get me started on the 21 drinking age, which is totally illegal age descrimination from what the constitution clearly says. I'll stop now
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Post by Deputy on Feb 4, 2007 4:00:25 GMT -4
Outlaw! Is there any reason why you compare Sheriff Hofmann to Hitler. You clearly don't like the police and clearly dislike your local law enforcement which is a shame because were the first people you would call when you or your family is in need of help as the rest of the people do. Nobody wants the police around until there a victim or there son, daughter, mother father, aunt, uncle, etc is a victim of a crime. Then you expect the police to devote our time in solving your crime (which we do) for which you hate us 99 percent of the time. Everybody is on this big issue about how the police do nothing but ticket people and harass people. Your the first to Censored Bad Word Here when you get a speeding ticket, but your first to call the police and complain about people speeding in your neighborhood. Maybe if the citizens stop calling the police about speeding issues then we would not write so many tickets. You can blame your fellow Queen Anne's County Citizens for all the tickets. The citizens want something done about speeders but don't give them a ticket but give a ticket to the other person. Yeah OK! Hate to tell you this but thats what us cops do. We get paid to get into peoples business and make sure there not breaking the law. Were not a fast food joint. You don't always get it the way you want. The police are not here to make people happy. If you want a hug outlaw, go see your mother or father. The police are the peace keepers and we maintain order in society. Do we ruffle some feathers at times and piss people like you off. U bet we do and that's how we know we are doing our job. We are in the business of savings lives and making sure people are safe, not kiss your ass! If you want to feel warm and fuzzy then go to Wal-Mart. The Queen Anne's County Sheriff's Office is made up of professional law enforcement officers who put there ass on the line for the citizens every day. How you would even compare the deputies to Hitler is beyond me. As far as the accident is concerned. I said that Deputy Green was the only witness to how fast he was going! Deputy Green would only know how fast he was going at the time of the accident. Deputy Green was responding to a call for service and it did not require a lights and siren response. In the end I believe the final outcome will be that the at fault driver was the juvenile and Deputy Green was in no way at fault. I never said I was at the accident scene as most of you were not as well.
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Post by BlueMule on Feb 4, 2007 8:08:29 GMT -4
... I never said I was at the accident scene as most of you were not as well. You make assumptions and state them as facts... I drive by the site of the accident, a minimum, twice a day. There are tell-tale bits of evidence still there. Can you say for sure there are no skid marks (or tire marks or whatever they're called in accident reconstruction) on the road surface and leading into the ditch from the Crown Vic? If they're not in the report, they were missed in the investigation, which is highly unlikely. If, in deed, they're not in the report, you should head on down there and have a look for yourself. Based on those marks alone, that fact puts the Blazer in the path of the south bound Crown Vic on the south bound side of the road. I have all the respect in the world for our Deputies for the mission they have and nowhere on this board or anywhere else have I ever complained about them. They have a job to do. They do it. It's cool with me. If I get a ticket, It's because I deserve it. No need to fuss about being bullied by the Deputy issuing the citation. As far as kissing asses, I don't expect mine kissed. On the same token, just because you're a law-man, don't expect yours to be kissed either. Have a nice day.
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Post by falgar25 on Feb 4, 2007 8:55:57 GMT -4
... We get paid to get into peoples business and make sure there not breaking the law. Were not a fast food joint. You don't always get it the way you want. The police are not here to make people happy. If you want a hug outlaw, go see your mother or father. The police are the peace keepers and we maintain order in society. Do we ruffle some feathers at times and piss people like you off. U bet we do and that's how we know we are doing our job. ... Absolutely not! This is the kind of attitude that has the "people" complaining about the police. The police are here to stop those who are actually breaking the law, not get into my business to find out if I am. The police *are* here to make people happy; they do that by finding the ones who have broken laws and handing them over to the justice system. If your goal is to piss people off then you shouldn't be surprised that people are complaining, it means you have been successful. I'm going to assume that your opinions are not necessarily those of the Sheriff's Dept. I have met Sheriff Hoffman on a couple of occasions and this doesn't seem to be the kind of thinking he would support.
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Post by bchevy on Feb 4, 2007 9:05:01 GMT -4
1. There is obvious dislike of the local police
2. locals see the police as having nothing else better to do than write traffic tickets and
3. stalk people leaving bars,
4. while drugs are rampant and crime thrives in parts of Grasonville and Cloverfields.
5. they need to rethink their priorities as far as hunting the locals to give tickets.
6. I think that anyone who becomes a law enforcement officer deserves respect,
7. but I also feel that the officers need to respect the wishes of the people that pay their salaries.
8. That said, I do believe the police on their take of the Rte accident
9. only because the other drivers were so young,
10. and honestly, nobody should be driving under at least 18 years old. If you're not an adult, you shouldn't have adult responsibilities.
11. Don't even get me started on the 21 drinking age, which is totally illegal age discrimination from what the constitution clearly says. I'll stop now 1. Wanting to get the truth- does not mean "There is obvious dislike of the local police" I've had occasions to need them and had no problems. 2.I do think that. 3. There's some truth there, but isn't that also good police work? Drinking and driving is illegal. What better place to catch D&D than outside a bar? 4. The proofs in the pudding right? 5. Does that mean you agree? 6. absolutely! 7. To a point. Police need to uphold and enforce the law, lead by example. If the peoples wishes were for them not to do this it wouldn't work. 8. I'm staying on the fence to hear what happens. 9. wrong reason 10. I disagree there, the driving age is fine. The MADDs & SADDs and all the other groups have missed the mark on the driver's license issue. It's in the education of our young drivers that's failing. Put driver's education back in the schools, that gives the student a whole semester of driving class. this night school driver's ed is for crap. 11. 21 is too high for the drinking age. If a young man can go to war- he should be able to have a drink. If it weren't for the PC crap in the federal gov't, and being threatened with losing federal $$$ we wouldn't have the 21 age.
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Post by bchevy on Feb 4, 2007 9:23:05 GMT -4
We get paid to get into peoples business and make sure there not breaking the law. NO, NO, NO, You are wrong on this one. You have NO BUSINESS in MY BUSINESS, WITHOUT CAUSE. You are paid to uphold and enforce the law. You are paid to SERVE the people, not harass them, which your own statements can be defined as. You Deputy (if you are one) need to get off your high horse and come back down to reality. You are way too hung up on yourself and your job. You weren't there, you're apparently not involved with the investigation, yet you have already projected "your man" clear of any wrong doing. I say go back to school Deputy and wait for the report. Again- I totally respect to police and the job they do. I've had tickets- earned every one of them. I think Deputy is a little out of line with his comments. I think Outlaw is loving all this, and feeding to it.
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Post by Deputy on Feb 4, 2007 11:33:39 GMT -4
What school are your referring me to go back to? In no way am I on my high horse and I never expected for anyone to kiss my back side. The police are there to enforce the law of the state and nation. We bring order to situations that are out of order. We stop people from doing what they want to do such as drunk driving, assaults, drugs, speeding, etc. Do the police piss people off. Yep! That is apart of the job being in law enforcement! If anyone who writes on this forum thinks different, then great. You are entitled to your opinion and so am I. Whether people want the police in there business or not, it does not matter. If the police have probable cause to stop someone we may chose to do that and look further into it. If the police have reasonable suspicion to believe a crime has just occurred or did occur then we can look into it. I suspect not one of you writing about the comments are actually law enforcement officers, therefor would not know what being a cop is all about. The expectations by a citizen of what the police should be, can be very different from the reality of what the police do. The police get paid to lock people up! Stop cars, issue tickets, Keep the peace, protect life and property. Were not customer service reps who are here to make you happy and tell you what you want to here. We enforce the laws of the state and arrest those who violate them and commit crimes to society. It's a tough business policing thankless citizens that have not a clue on what the job really in-tales and people like to do what they want to do and not be told they can't. If it were not for the police then society would be out of control. I guess you would be OK if you were a victim of a crime of violence or your loved one was and there was no one there to lock the scum bag up who committed it. After all the police might upset and offend the suspect who committed the crime and we would not want to do that. I guess we should just live in a world where we can do anything we want. Great idea folks. I can only speak for myself on how I police and I provide the citizens of Queen Anne's with professional police services. For those who think that the police are there to make you happy then I say you are entitled to your opinion but your expectations are not reality. The police are there to protect people from the bad guy not make you feel all warm and fuzzy. If police wanted to make people happy then we would of applied to be social workers or worked for a retail store. In the world of policing the customer is not always right!
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Post by BlueMule on Feb 4, 2007 12:24:36 GMT -4
I have yet to hear a civilian here ask for an ass kissing (or expect one) for that matter either but it comes up quite often. Let's just drop that part.
If your feelings are hurt, by the people on this board, you're in the wrong racket. If your looking for thanks, again you're in the wrong racket. It's your image that leaves a lot to be desired, not the Sheriff's Office. read on...
You seem to be completely consumed by arrogance. Keep that up and you'll never get any respect. I know a DFC from an encounter in which I was totally in the wrong. He was professional, understanding, listened, and most of all courteous. I see him here and there and give him a wave... We're cool with it... and I definitely didn't come up with the good end of the stick Given the same circumstances, from your appearance here, that same treatment can't be expected from you. If you call that warm and fuzzy, as am I, you are also entitled to your opinion. Don't expect to get very far at trying to get anbody to see your side though.
" In the world of policing the customer is not always right! "
Neither are those in law enforcement.
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Post by BlueMule on Feb 4, 2007 12:35:56 GMT -4
BTW... I don't have a problem with 'probable cause' either. It's provided for in the 4th Amendment. faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/315/315lect06.htmWhen probable cause turns into profiling, (not race, but all types) then we have a serious problem.
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Post by Deputy on Feb 4, 2007 13:05:39 GMT -4
I am in no way upset or offended with what people on this forum are writing. You must be misinformed and perceiving me wrong. It's fine to to think how you want. This is America and a public forum for which people can express there views and opinions as I have done. I am fine with that and my feelings are not hurt. Furthermore I do not expect or care to be thanked. That is my job that I chose to do and I love my job. I never said the police were always right. All I said was that in general society has a distorted idea on what they think the police should be and that it is far from the reality. The police are not here to be warm and cuddly. The deputies are polite, highly trained law enforcement professionals who protect life and property. We do our best to gain the respect of the citizens but we are not there to make friends. A citizen like yourself calls the police cause they have a problem and they invite us into there business. We then do what we do and that does not make people happy, Oh well! Law enforcement throughout the country are not in the business of making people happy. We take peoples freedom away and arrest the violators. Thats what we do. That's the price that society pays for having the police keep the peace and enforce the laws of the land! It's the way it is and will continue to be! Thats the job of being a cop!
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Post by shoreman on Feb 4, 2007 13:10:06 GMT -4
I think that the deputy coming into this forum and stating an official positon is not in keeping with the policy of the Sheriff Department. I cannot believe that the Sheriff would allow one of his employees to state an official position without the knowledge and consent of the department, the county attorney or the states attorney. I think he is treading on dangerous grounds speaking at all about the accident prior to a trial. I know everyone has an opinion but expressing his knowledge of the accident or his opinion may be a quick way for him to get in trouble or possibly lose his job. If this deputy does not think making friends in the county is an important part of his job, than he needs to re-evaluate what his job duties are......... unbelievable.
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Post by outlaw on Feb 4, 2007 13:12:46 GMT -4
Still no word about what became of the accident witnesses. Have they been abducted by aliens? This could be the piece of the puzzle that the police are still "working" on.
Deputy, when have I ever asked for a hug from a cop? I haven't had a speeding ticket in many, many years, nor have I ever been arrested, but today is another day. Once though, when I was a hot young chick, I had a cop follow me for 10 miles until I got to work to tell me my tires did not have enough tread. He then asked for directions to my house. Ah, memories.
We have needed help from the police, and I'm sad to say we were disappointed. I'll start from the very beginning. A couple of years back, we were awakened around midnight every few minutes by a sound similar to that of a jet preparing for takeoff. My husband went outside and found that it was coming from a large shellfish truck in the driveway of a house of ill repute, a House of Oddities. Let's call it the HO house. This HO house provides shelter for people of different ages and has been the scene of public fights and wild parties (no, Shadow, I will not divulge their address) and had been visited by the police a few times. In light of this, we decided to ask the police to handle the abominable noise. We called and gave the address. They hemmed and hawed, maybe they could send someone out. We called again and were told someone had driven by and heard nothing. We called again and said if someone didn't come out we were going over there ourselves. The deputy arrived. Our strategy was to keep him talking until the noise occurred. While he was blathering on about how he couldn't hear anything, couldn't do anything, it happened. Invigorated by the impact of the sound, the deputy pulled up in front of the HO house and trained upon it a huge spotlight. He proceeded to creep up to the door with his flashlight. Meanwhile, who should appear but the neighborhood drug dealer (DD), like a ghostly-white apparition in his underwear. He denounced the truck noise for interrupting his sleep as he puffed on his cigarette and fidgeted. We suggested he talk to the cop. DD gyrated over to the cop car, waving his arms and cursing as the cop pounded on the door. The cop noticed him and hastened back to the car, admonishing DD to get away from it. DD complied by walking back to us, and the cop sped away. No one had answered the door. "He ain't coming back," observed DD. Confounded, I grabbed my husband's flashlight and stomped to the HO house in my pajamas. I pounded on the door until a lady of the evening answered. Appearing slightly rumpled in her loungewear, she seemed vaguely aware of my presence as I told her this wasn't a truck stop. I admit I made some rude comments about her character. Anyway, the truck left about 15 minutes later.
Not long after that, a neighbor had an attempted burglary late at night and watched as the suspects maniacally zig-zagged through our yards and through the unlocked door of the HO house. The police sent a deputy who looked to be about 12 years old. He emphatically refused to speak to the occupants of the HO house. How strange, we thought.
A couple of weeks later, a neighbor was summoned to court due to a complaint by someone who "worked as a nurse" in the HO house. This nurse, who had a family name recognizable from the sheriff's department (AHA!), claimed that the woman's dog had leapt out of a bush and barked near her. Would we really waste court time on such nonsense? Yes, the neighbor took off from her job and went to court, but the nurse couldn't distinguish her medium-sized, light-colored dog from any of the other such dogs in the neighborhood.
DD was eventually incarcerated for armed robbery and assault, not of me, I'm sure Deputy will be glad to know.
Please don't think me an anti police hater. Sadly, what I related above is not the total extent of my family's experience with county deputies. The pain of our more recent encounters is still too fresh for me to discuss. I still hold out hope that after the investigation is completed and all cars are branded with the Hofmann name, things will improve.
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Post by Deputy on Feb 4, 2007 13:25:47 GMT -4
Shoreman,
I may express any opinion I may have as may you can. No policy can tell me what I can say when I'm off duty, not using a county computer and writing on a secure public forum. I have done nothing wrong except give my opinion on what the outcome may be in regard to the accident. Remember just as you the citizen have freedom of speech so do I. I to am a citizen of this great nation and I have the same protections under the first amendment as you do. If your trying to shut me up by attempting to scare me that I may be disciplined or fired. This is still America Shoreman and an open public forum. No worries here for I have done nothing wrong other than joined in the conversation with the others!
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Post by BlueMule on Feb 4, 2007 13:26:26 GMT -4
... It's a tough business policing thankless citizens that have not a clue... Furthermore I do not expect or care to be thanked. Let it go Mule, let it go.
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Post by Pro Police on Feb 4, 2007 13:27:41 GMT -4
Shoreman,
What trial. It was a car accident. They happen every day! Not a capital murder case!
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Post by shoregirl on Feb 4, 2007 13:37:20 GMT -4
I'm so disgusted with this thread, I'm not even sure where to begin or end. Deputy Guest, I hear what you're saying, I understand why you're saying it, and I don't blame you one bit. The level of disrespect exhibited in certain of the above posts from those who apparently believe they are the intelligent elite and falsely think they rule this site, got talked to in the same manner they've been dishing out, and they don't like it. Sometimes you HAVE to get down to the other person(s) level long enough so they understand what you have to say, then hurry and get back up. I believe that's what you just did and I applaud you. There are terrific Queen Anne's County citizens who strongly support and admired our local force, and you can definitely count this writer in. To those "street lawyer" posters, who are inferring they are speaking on behalf of locals with their comments, speak for yourselves. Don't insult the majority. Rich, the level of cruelty exhibited on this site is out of control. You know who's doing it. It has been suggested a few times you moderate with some higher level of authority. You're going to lose a lot of good members because of these rogues, or only attrack more like them, and this site will develop a reputation as such. Everyone is entitled to their personal opinions on any given subject, but to attack with the level of viciousness as has been exhibited here is sickening. Obviously, many never learned good manners growing up. I know it won't be a detriment if I leave, and most likely will receive posts in response inviting me to do so, accompanied with many other hateful childish comments. And I probably would accommodate them. But what a loss of many good people it would be merely to the benefit of such a few undesirables.
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Post by Deputy on Feb 4, 2007 13:45:25 GMT -4
Shoregirl; Thanks! I will keep up the good work!
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Post by shadow1 on Feb 4, 2007 13:48:14 GMT -4
Shoreman I agree that if indeed Deputy is truly that, it would be sufficient for him/her to only say they strive to do a good job, and not get into a battle with posters, especially specifics of an ongoing investigation - that should be left to others. With due respect to Deputy, leave the PR stuff to those who are qualified by the department.
Actually, the thread's getting a little boring - the same opinions being voiced repeatedly.
Outlaw - there you go - thought we'd made peace and you throw out some wacked comment directed at me:
This HO house provides shelter for people of different ages and has been the scene of public fights and wild parties (no, Shadow, I will not divulge their address) and had been visited by the police a few times.
Keep in mind that you'd better be able handle any responses to your shallow comments - "when I was a hot young chick", really?
Enjoy your day!
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Post by shoregirl on Feb 4, 2007 13:50:12 GMT -4
Deputy -- You are more than welcome. I know you will and am proud we have officers with the gumption to stand tall.
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