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Post by BlueMule on Feb 4, 2007 13:54:33 GMT -4
If I have offended anyone, please accept my humble appology.
My line of work, business function analysis and software specification and testing, requires close attention to detail not only to the product but the user reporting back about the application.
I can never take anything at face value. Trust but verify. Half of my analysis is based on what a person says, not who they are. If I have to go back and look twenty times that's what I do.
Deputy: I think you know what I'm talking about.
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Post by Rich Fisher on Feb 4, 2007 14:07:40 GMT -4
Shoregirl, My policy is to regulate personal attacks when they directly mention a non-public official's name. Threads like this one are definitely skirting the line, but the officer has held his own and seems to be OK with what is being said, both good and bad. Unfortunately I get yelled at when I delete posts as a "censor", and I get yelled at for not deleting some questionable posts. Like Johnny Cash once said, "I walk the line"... If the deputy feels that he's being unfairly targeted I will remove what I can. Let me know. Everyone, please remember that a lot of people are reading this Forum, and in a way it represents the residents of our area to the outside area. Traffic on the website has increased to over 20,000 unique hits per day (no joke), so potential visitors, businesses, and locals are reading and forming opinions. Thanks!
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Post by shoreman on Feb 4, 2007 14:19:31 GMT -4
I guess that if that was one of my children involved in the accident, I would not appreciate a law enforcement officer from the department involved in the accident expressing his take on what happened to my children in an on-line forum.
I just dont think it's professional. I have no problem with anyone expressing opinions but I can't help to believe that others with loved ones involved in an accident with the police would feel comfortable knowing the police are discussing the case un-offically.
Again, off duty or not, I just don't think its the right, professional thing to do.
As for supporting the police, I am totally a supporter of law enforcement and always will be.
Just my 2c. Thanks
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Post by falgar25 on Feb 4, 2007 14:24:33 GMT -4
If your trying to shut me up by attempting to scare me that I may be disciplined or fired. I don't believe anyone is trying to shut you up. However, it's one thing to say "I am a deputy and this is what I believe," but it's a completely different thing to say,"This is what the Queen Annes Sheriff Dept. is here to do." The former sounds like your personal opinion while the latter sounds like a statement of official policy. If you have not been authorized by the Sheriff's office to state official policy, you should be careful with the way you word your posts. By all means, continue to post, but be careful not to get yourself into hot water with the boss.
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Post by Deputy on Feb 4, 2007 14:38:00 GMT -4
Blue Mule! In no way did you offend me and in no way am I upset with what you or other writers have said on this forum. If I did not like what was being said then I would not visit the site, which is not the case! I like this site very much!
Rich! I in no way feel that I am being targeted and am cool with what is being said. As I have stated before. This site is a public open forum where people can express there opinions and views. This is what makes American great! People have the right to express there views no matter how distorted there views may be. I just have to laugh at some comments made by shoreman, indicating how I may be treading on thin ice. Clearly this person has not a clue to the law nor the constitution of the United States Of America. If I was on duty, in uniform being paid by the county and expressing these views to the public, then that may be a different story and he would have validity to his statement. I'm off duty, not being paid by the taxpayers, not using county property (computer) to express my opinions. I would like to give Shoreman a quick lesion on Constitution law since he was absent on that day of law school. Freedom of speech! Under the first amendment! It applies to all, even police officers. Were also citizens of this nation and we get the same protection as you do shoreman! Writers like shoreman may be the bully of this cyber site but I'm not shaking in my shoes. No discipline can come from any law enforcement agency to there officers for expressing your constitution given rights. God Bless America!
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Post by BlueMule on Feb 4, 2007 14:39:09 GMT -4
Deputy:
Join up. Be a regular member. But be discreet and don't get yourself in trouble with the 'suits'.
I was on a site once where there was a Florida State Trooper signed up as a regular member called 'Slap Shot'. Hell of guy. He'd give insite and was one of the forum admins.
edit: your post popped in before mine. Really, consider joining up.
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Post by falgar25 on Feb 4, 2007 14:53:45 GMT -4
Shoregirl:
I looked back over this thread and I cannot find the disrespect and viciousness you are disgusted with. I see disagreement and discussion, but isn't that what this forum ("You can talk about anything here!") is about? I see people being asked to support and defend their positions, but aren't we a little too old to be asked to blindly accept the words of our elders simply because they said so? (I suspect most of the posters here are not my elders anyway)
I don't know if I'm one of the "intelligent elite," but I certainly don't think I "rule this site". I don't consider myself a "street lawyer" but I do like to understand what facts people use to come to their conclusions. I certainly don't think I speak on the behalf of the locals and in no way am I trying to infer that. I don't believe I am a "rogue", I don't believe I've attacked anyone with any "level of viciousness," sickening or otherwise, and I don't know that I've used any "hateful childish comments."
However, if in your opinion I am guilty of the things you mention in your post, if you believe I have made any vicious personal attacks, used an excessively broad brush to characterize other posters, or tried to prevent someone from voicing an opinion that differs from mine, please let me know. Since this would be off-topic for this thread, feel free to create a new thread (I'll find it) or send me a PM.
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Post by bchevy on Feb 4, 2007 15:04:05 GMT -4
Ditto what Falgar said. He beat me to the post, and probably said it better.
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Post by shoreman on Feb 4, 2007 15:15:34 GMT -4
Deputy,
I have absolutely no problem with freedom of speech. I am merely stating that I do not think it is appropriate for a member of the Sheriff Department to comment on an investigation that is still taking place. I think your missing the point. If you feel free to keep commenting on a case that is still under investigation and you feel as if thats ok with those investigating it, thats on you, I dont think it's very professional.
I know I know, your not here to make friends, just enforce the law.
Freedom of expression is a great thing!!!! And lets remember that quote from Hill Street Blues......."lets be careful out there"!
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Post by Deputy on Feb 4, 2007 15:35:01 GMT -4
Shoreman, Don't you think that everyone is overreacting to this incident. It was a severe traffic collision, however all parties are OK and it was a traffic accident. They occur all the time everyday. No one cares about all the other traffic accidents that occur in the county on a daily basis so why is this so special. This is not a capital murder case and I'm leaking out the secrets to the case. It was a traffic accident where human error was made by one or maybe both involved parties. It's not that big of a deal. The fact was that writers on this site had the deputy guilty and hoping the juvenile's parents had a good lawyer to take legal action against the police. Those writers only know what they hear from there neighbors or read in the paper, which is wrong half the time and not always an accurate source of info. Those writers do not have the facts and they sound foolish when they speak. Being that the deputy is a co worker and a good personal friend of mine I feel I must come to his defense and defend him. I would expect you to to the same if it was your friend. I was not there and did not witness the accident myself. Based upon my information I just feel that Deputy Green will be cleared of any wrong doing. Maybe not and I'm wrong. Time will tell but lets not make it a big murder case. It was a car crash! Nothing more! No intent on either party to hurt someone. Besides when a person sues the county who do you think pays that bill! Not the deputy! You the citizen in taxes. So why are people so gung ho on that when you the citizen would foot the bill, not the deputy. Just a thought!
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Post by shoreman on Feb 4, 2007 15:44:58 GMT -4
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Post by outlaw on Feb 4, 2007 16:02:28 GMT -4
Shadow - Why do you mock me? If you cut me, do I not bleed? Knowing of your insatiable curiosity as I do, I was merely trying to spare you asking the question about the location of the HO house. And here I was thinking we were kindred spirits. Please forgive me and reconsider the peace between us.
Shoregirl, I am sorry if sharing my experiences has in any way offended you. I was responding to Deputy's assertions about what I would do if my family needed police assistance. Obviously, my attempts to further a meaningful dialogue on this issue have been in vain.
Deputy, I never suggested that the boy's parents sue the police. I still hope that they retain a good lawyer to protect their son. According to the Capital, charges were pending. Who do you think foots the bill when a kid's insurance goes through the roof for an accident that may not have been his fault? Who will pay for the vehicle and the medical expenses? Most likely his family.
We've all had our say. Maybe we're beating a dead horse here, since the investigation appears to be over. If some of you would feel more comfortable going back to not knowing or caring about what happens to these kids, so be it. If you are willing to accept biased treatment for these kids, you are accepting it for yourself also, so let's just hope you are never in their situation.
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Post by shadow1 on Feb 4, 2007 16:42:33 GMT -4
Outlaw - beating a deadhorse is a good description now of this thread. Kindred spirits -I don't know about that, but we need to continue the peace. No more jabs and a healthy respect for each others opinions should be the order of the day. Look forward to future constructive rebuttals
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Post by BlueMule on Feb 4, 2007 17:10:49 GMT -4
Outlaw - beating a deadhorse is a good description now of this thread. Kindred spirits -I don't know about that, but we need to continue the peace. No more jabs and a healthy respect for each others opinions should be the order of the day. Look forward to future constructive rebuttals I once heard from a programmer at Culnet (a forunner of CA, Computer Associates) while trying to voice frustration at trying to map out a process, "When seeking answers, no horse is too dead to beat." I live by that every day.
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Post by outlaw on Feb 4, 2007 20:34:25 GMT -4
Shadow, I will resist the urge to jab.
BlueMule, thank you for the great quote. I will keep that in mind in the busy weeks ahead.
The way these kids have been treated really bothers me. I can't help it. I guess it's the mother in me.
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Post by ljp on Feb 5, 2007 0:36:54 GMT -4
wow.... I am neither a fan or hater of the local police department although I have dated my fair share of lawmen and have a great understanding of the type of man it takes to do the job (that is both a good and a bad statement).
BUT why is it so hard for the local sheriffs dept. to see that obviously there have been problems in the past with over zealous and / or possibly dishonest policemen?? I believe that this is why there are so many folks here who feel that the teens may get a raw deal out of this accident regardless of who was really at fault? If there had not been an abundance of immoral issues in this county then I don't think there would be many who would stand up so tall against the local department as they are here. I am not saying that there have been I certainly am not privy to anything of that nature but it definitely seems like there is something behind why everyone so heated.
Also Deputy I don't understand why you think that whether or not you are wearing your uniform decides at what point you speak out on a police matter? Yes you are a citizen but your job is always your job whether you are dressed for it or not. Is it ok for you to say...rob a bank if not in uniform? or drink and drive while not in uniform? You are always a member of the police force and should always be setting an example to those who are not. You should always be a shining example of who we should be. Being out of uniform should not exonerate you from disclosing details of a police matter at any time. A doctor or a lawyer regardless of whether or not they are 'on the clock' does not discuss the public they are there to protect. The same goes for you. Your statements indicated you 'knew the facts as an insider'. If that is the case then I agree with the others. Kudos to you for wanting to stick up for your own, but the statements you made suggest that you are placing yourself and this officer above the law rather than enforcers of it.
Don't get me wrong I don't have issues with the police. They have ticketed me when driving too fast and responded when my house alarm goes off in the middle of the night. I have not had bad experiences. But your attitude makes me afraid of you a little. You behave as if anything that a cop does because of who he is, is ‘ok’ or even admirable. I seem to remember a few years back an AA County cop who was pulling women over on 97 and 50 and raping them. I am certainly not saying that this is the type of cop you are but truly? You seem like you would be one who would find a way to justify his actions and that scares me. If you don’t realize that you are dealing with people on a daily basis with different personalities and not ‘subjects’ then you will have many a problems in your career. There should always be a balance when protecting the ones who pay your salary. You don’t have to be a pr**k when doing it. Making statements about ruffling feathers being part of your job is not winning you any brownie points! I agree with Blue Mule: No one is perfect, if we have committed a crime we deserve the basic human respect that you would deserve while not on duty. What is wrong with the officer who he mentions? He handled whatever the case was with professionalism and all left a probably embarrassing situation with their dignity.
I said it earlier and I will say it again. I am a regular citizen of this county living and working, working and living and I now fear you as an overzealous keeper of the law. That is not respect… and it is more dangerous.
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Post by Deputy on Feb 5, 2007 1:25:17 GMT -4
LJB
Let me make something very clear! I am not trying to win any brownie points. I am just telling it the way it is. It makes no difference whether your concerned about my ethics or not. I am very good at my job and serve the public well. I police with common sense, compassion and provide a high level of professionalism. How you can say my comments are very similar to one who was raping people on traffic stops is beyond me. I may stop you on a traffic stop and you will never know it's me. When I am not working I may express my opinions as every other person gets to do. There is no secret investigation to the accident and the police are not going to railroad the juvenile driver if he is found at fault. Car accidents happen every day and it's not really a big deal. I could care less if you like the police or not. Cops are not trying to win a popularity contest on the streets. You make people angry and that's apart of the job of being in law enforcement. For those of you who are not cops then you could never understand what I am saying. At the end of all that has been said the only thing that we are going to agree on is that we disagree on what police should be. When your car breaks you call a mechanic to fix the problem. When your sick you see a doctor to make you better. When your toilet is broken you call a plumber to fix it. When you have marital problems you see a marriage counselor. When you are a victim of a crime you call the police and we lock the bad person up. Thats what we do! Police Officers are not Wal Mart Greeters.
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Post by shoreman on Feb 5, 2007 1:32:41 GMT -4
ljp:Hate to tell you this but thats what us cops do. We get paid to get into peoples business and make sure there not breaking the law. Were not a fast food joint. You don't always get it the way you want. The police are not here to make people happy. If you want a hug outlaw, go see your mother or father.Just a previous quote from our guest deputy. I think this topic is a lost cause! He just doesn't get it!
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Post by bchevy on Feb 5, 2007 7:13:53 GMT -4
Best words in this whole thread, right there.... Probably the worst attitude I've experienced with law enforcement to date. He's above us. Can everyone see that? He can do what he wants, when he wants, how he wants, because he has a badge. His attitude is exactly the problem. People percieve the worst and when they meet this deputy it's proven to them. Bad part is, he's probably getting all mad while reading this, and then taking it out on some poor citizen the next time he's on duty...
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Post by Deputy on Feb 5, 2007 9:53:39 GMT -4
Bchevy,
I am in no way shape or form mad at any of the writers. In no way do I think I am better than anyone. You are very misguided and confused, but that is OK. You like everyone is entitled to your opinion. I am a professional at what I do and would not take anything out on the citizens. If someone breaks the law and I catch them, then I would arrest them. You have not a clue on what you are talking about and every time you see a Queen Anne's County Deputy you will wonder if I'm that cop on the end of the computer. You will never know!
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Post by Mike on Feb 5, 2007 9:55:10 GMT -4
or maybe we will?
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Post by outlaw on Feb 5, 2007 9:56:18 GMT -4
Well said, LJP, Shoreman and bchevy. The deputies who have posted here have shown themselves to be arrogant bullies. This is the way they talk to adults. Think about how they must treat the kids they pull over.
I think if a county deputy hit an old lady on a sidewalk, they would find a way to blame the lady and the sidewalk.
Now Deputy speaks of a secret investigation when obviously whatever investigation there was was a crock. He says Green was the only witness to his speed. What nonsense.
The discrepancies in the newspaper articles and the police bias are obvious. Anyone who can't see it won't see it. Anyone who sees it and looks the other way is a coward. It's good to see that a lot of people who post here are not cowards.
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Post by Frank on Feb 5, 2007 10:43:55 GMT -4
Deputy,
I believe the only reason this thread was fueled was because the article said "charges are pending" before there was any clear indication of what actually happened. It implied the boys were at fault. I live in KI estates and pass the accident point several times a day. The accident occured at the beginning of the no-passing zone. Without knowing all the facts, we are all just making assumptions. The KI Estates stretch of rt 8 is way too busy of an area to maintain a 50mph speed limit. Most roads vary the speed limit as you pass residential neighborhoods. The speed limit is 40 as you go past Bay City, then changes to 50 all the way down Rt 8. Maybe that needs to be revised.
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Post by shadow1 on Feb 5, 2007 11:04:50 GMT -4
Anyone else gettin' dizzy riding this thread
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Post by Mike on Feb 5, 2007 11:09:50 GMT -4
this thread is a hoot
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