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Post by bchevy on Oct 23, 2009 17:04:49 GMT -4
Wow! If you believe that is the way it is you should move to Canada! Not necessary, they are bringing Canada to us.
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Post by bigjohn on Oct 23, 2009 17:13:18 GMT -4
Man that is messed up! How unamerican can you be? I feel sorry for you!
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Post by bchevy on Oct 23, 2009 17:56:29 GMT -4
Man that is messed up! How unamerican can you be? I feel sorry for you! Are you serious? You don't know me from the few posts of mine that you've read. I give plenty, I don't need the gov't to take from me and give it to the undeserving that are in it so they can be lazy. I'm picky on what I give to and I don't want it abused.
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Post by hale80 on Oct 23, 2009 22:14:19 GMT -4
And right there is what is wrong with society! when everone only cares about themselves we stop being one nation we become many little nations. I hate to tell you this but we are many nations. Our nation, that being The United States of America, feeds more people around the world than any other nation in the world. You have kind of hijacked the thread too man. Are you related to TH and the rest of them? Seems its easy to live here and complain, at least for some of you, but I bet you would not feel the same way if you actually lived some place like...oh lets say Cuba or Iran or Venezuela or Russia or North Korea or China and the list goes on.
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Post by safetildecember on Oct 23, 2009 22:17:50 GMT -4
And right there is what is wrong with society! when everone only cares about themselves we stop being one nation we become many little nations. I hate to tell you this but we are many nations. Our nation, that being The United States of America, feeds more people around the world than any other nation in the world. You have kind of hijacked the thread too man. Are you related to TH and the rest of them? Seems its easy to live here and complain, at least for some of you, but I bet you would not feel the same way if you actually lived some place like...oh lets say Cuba or Iran or Venezuela or Russia or North Korea or China and the list goes on. "We" the USA feed people that hate us and want to kill us. No other nation gives as much as we do to other countries. President George Bush is responsible for major help to Africa to help them with their Aids epidemic. The blood of young Americans is sacrificed for other nations. If it was not for the USA, lots of people would be speaking German right now.
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Post by speedergurl68 on Oct 25, 2009 7:14:20 GMT -4
The constant yelling about corruption is just so much noise being raised by a no chance candidate for an office for which he is unqualified. Um.... anyone else know of any other unqualified candidates that ran for any other offices...and won anyway? I'm just sayin....
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Post by safetildecember on Oct 25, 2009 8:03:30 GMT -4
The constant yelling about corruption is just so much noise being raised by a no chance candidate for an office for which he is unqualified. Um.... anyone else know of any other unqualified candidates that ran for any other offices...and won anyway? I'm just sayin.... Um, yes. There is a guy living on Pennsylvania Ave right now that should not be there.
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Post by speedergurl68 on Oct 25, 2009 9:46:22 GMT -4
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Post by stephadele on Oct 25, 2009 13:51:40 GMT -4
"bchevy"..."apply that to money and you have Obama's share the wealth program" And also that of Washington, Jefferson , Adams, FDR and Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican.. Greed and self interest by corporations at the gross exploitation of others wasnt part of the "founding fathers" plan or that the Republican Party in 1900. Or the founding mothers either for that matter. Alot of today's Republicans seem to be gullible suckers addicted to the junk culture media's "not my taxes" propaganda and paranoia. My, how things have changed..
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Post by falgar25 on Oct 25, 2009 14:19:42 GMT -4
Alot of today's Republicans seem to be gullible suckers addicted to the junk culture media's "not my taxes" propaganda and paranoia. My, how things have changed.. And many of today's Democrats seem to be gullible suckers addicted to handouts and spending other people's money. Now, can we please move beyond the counter-productive name calling?
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Post by lynn on Oct 25, 2009 16:24:41 GMT -4
Alot of today's Republicans seem to be gullible suckers addicted to the junk culture media's "not my taxes" propaganda and paranoia. My, how things have changed.. And many of today's Democrats seem to be gullible suckers addicted to handouts and spending other people's money. Now, can we please move beyond the counter-productive name calling? A little ironic how she is the "expert" and the "mental health therapist doing counseling for 20 years"!
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Post by hale80 on Oct 26, 2009 1:35:27 GMT -4
And many of today's Democrats seem to be gullible suckers addicted to handouts and spending other people's money. Now, can we please move beyond the counter-productive name calling? A little ironic how she is the "expert" and the "mental health therapist doing counseling for 20 years"! You said it - not me But I do agree!
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Post by doinit on Oct 26, 2009 2:08:13 GMT -4
Sounds like to me that "Pete" should be a judge and that should just about fix every problem!!
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Post by pete1 on Oct 26, 2009 4:12:14 GMT -4
bobomalone...Reply 10/24/09......."The guy got a ticket. If one individual (whose life is so pure that he has appointed himself the expert in all law enforcement and government issues) had left it alone, a fine might have been paid".........Sounds to me that you're saying the fix was in for Q.A.Co. Deputy State's Attorney John Mark McDonald. I'm proud of you for stating what most citizens are thinking, but fear to say out loud.
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Post by stephadele on Oct 26, 2009 11:11:29 GMT -4
Alot of Democrats believe its wise to invest in people if you want good outcomes, just like you would your home or car. Complaining about those who dont have as much as you do really isnt "fiscally responsible" since it does nothing to solve problems.. Ive seen several here do alot of complaining with a chip on their shoulders but dont offer any real life workable solutions to fixing the problem. Mob mentality and violent retaliations of "string em up" should be left for the West West of the 1800s. Posting pictures of Obama as "the enemy" and making it into some sort of Monopoly game doesnt really solve anything either..all that does is show ignorance and a lack of understanding and listening...
"How ironic that she is the mental health therapist and the expert" How ironic indeed Lynn. Ive witnessed many conservative people attend my therapy groups and then do a double take on their beliefs once they actually sit with others for 6 months and talk with them , versus sitting in front of a computer in their secluded white communities, and see whats its really like for "those people" like the disabled, people of color, gays, and people who have been on welfare. How ironic indeed. It never did quite measure up to their simplistic prejudices. The same thing happened for alot of liberals as well. So lets stop the polarization and start talking and listening to each other. That seems to be the only thing that will educate people.
If you doubt what I say about past Repubs like Teddy or founding fathers George or Tom or John, feel free to consult your history books and tour museums of their homes....Read a biography on any of them...Theres really not much written by them that supports alot of what of the Republican Party advocates...The mentor and hero of George and Tom and John was a UU minister named Joseph Priestley who had fled England after being perscuted as a revolutionary , Their letters being full of praise for his work......Roosevelt's father sat him down as a child and said he had a "moral obligation to take care of those less fortunate than you...so choose a charity you will work on the rest of your life...Your income as an adult will be stipulated to take out money each year for that.."....I dont see ANYONE in the Republican Party today saying anything like that...Any Repub that did would be called a socialist....Anyone can be the "expert" by simply reading their words..
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Post by eileen on Oct 26, 2009 12:03:08 GMT -4
Steph,
I must take exception to your statement that us conservatives are "sitting in front of a computer in their secluded white communities". Please take note that a lot of conservatives spend a lot of their time volunteering their time, talent, effort and money in our community to help "those people". Many of us believe that we need to get out and help "those people" (who are part of our community) help themselves. Many of us resent the government overtaxing us and then using our tax dollars to fund mostly ineffective programs -- we'd rather do it ourselves.
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Post by safetildecember on Oct 26, 2009 12:22:36 GMT -4
I got news for you, lots of Republicans are "those people". Why do people think all Republicans have money? Take a look at the town hall meetings that have happened all over the USA recently. Not all of those people were Republicans and not all of the ones that are Republicans have money.
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Post by Frank on Oct 26, 2009 12:49:26 GMT -4
Alot of Democrats believe its wise to invest in people if you want good outcomes, just like you would your home or car. Complaining about those who dont have as much as you do really isnt "fiscally responsible" since it does nothing to solve problems.. Ive seen several here do alot of complaining with a chip on their shoulders but dont offer any real life workable solutions to fixing the problem. Mob mentality and violent retaliations of "string em up" should be left for the West West of the 1800s. Posting pictures of Obama as "the enemy" and making it into some sort of Monopoly game doesnt really solve anything either..all that does is show ignorance and a lack of understanding and listening... C'mon Steph, be serious. We all believe it is wise to invest in people. But there is a difference between "invest" and "handout". An investment has a return at some point. Take tax dollars and put people into trade schools, teach them skills, give them a means to support themselves. I'd rather bear the cost of training a man once, than to pay his bills for the rest of his life. As far as solutions, I've seen a lot of them here. They all require the recipient to do something to receive benefits. That's something this country has a problem with. And about the Obamonoploy, if you didn't see enough George Bush jokes from the liberal community every day of the week, you're completely out of touch. I guess that makes everybody ignorant, and lack of understanding and listening, doesn't it?
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Post by stephadele on Oct 26, 2009 13:30:30 GMT -4
Eileen..you are free to vote on whatever govt. program you are volunteering at... Im glad to hear you do volunteer, but I dont see alot of complainers doing that.
Frank I think you are confused about what I support. I do believe in investing in people and no, that doesnt mean handouts either. What makes you think I never required my SS clients to do something useful with their lives?..All of mine were required to work or go to school..either volunteer or paid work..as were most of my colleagues.. When I hear things like that, I think people have been listening too much fear based propaganda on Faux News....Their aim is to sensationalize and divide and conquor.
The problem I see with people saying they support investing in people is that they are too inpatient. If there isnt any quick linear turnover from someone whos disabled or mentally ill, they are ready to throw in the towel and ax it. Also, no one wants to look at the complications that impact successful turnovers that give explanations as to WHY something failed...Everyone wants quick fixes to complicated problems and thats just not reality...On top of that they hear fear based junk from the likes of Bill O Lielly and Limbaugh....just fueling their anxiety. Then they tell me to be "patient" with the free market system regarding healthcare while it works out all its "glitches"...Well, I have...for 20 years and it failed. Mental health therapists are among the largest supporters of disabled people becoming useful.....Thats always the goal most of us are working towards..the difference being we understand the political roadblacks and client health issues in complicating any timeline on this....Better to measure more increment changes yearly and look at bigger changes over a longer time frame...But that never happens because its axed before it reaches fruition. I dont know where people are getting their stereotypes from about that but what I hear from them isnt me, its pretty rediculous.
And I dont like mob riot blame games for either party, Dems or Repubs. Both sides are guilty of politics and ignoring the problem. Some fun is okay but a steady diet of that is not.. I think it distracts people from looking at real solutions. So Im agreement with you there
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Post by stephadele on Oct 26, 2009 13:33:16 GMT -4
Invisible..."why do you think all Republicans have money?" I dont..In fact its the poor ones supporting the rich ones that Im most amazed and concerned about because its them that shoots themselves in the foot every time they support big corporations that kill their small businesses and increases their premiums on health insurance...I think they are misguided and misinformed...In their justified anger and frustration, they target the wrong people and policies.....Then they continue to get screwed by that.
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Post by Frank on Oct 26, 2009 15:08:28 GMT -4
Perhaps I don't understand. Maybe we're talking about different groups. There's one group who needs assistance because they cannot work. There's another group that is aggressively trying to find work, but needs help in the interim. And the final group that doesn't work, doesn't want to work, not looking for work, and still expects the governent to support them FOREVER. Working in DC, I see these folks everyday. They come in all races and nationalities. Young men in front of me with gold chains, FUBU, Polo, Hilfiger clothing, and $150 shoes paying for goods with a goverment credit card. Dozens of people outside goverment housing complexes openly drinking and stopping cars as they go by (drug sales?) I just don't think they are all as "needy" as they claim.
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Post by stephadele on Oct 26, 2009 16:11:02 GMT -4
Frank..The third group you describe Ive seen but in much fewer numbers than the first two you mentioned. The system already zaps most of the exploiters of SS before the public even knows whats going on..Any big money you see in the ghettoes comes from drugs...Again, its a much smaller waste than what reality is..And that kind of exploitation also happens with rich people buying drugs and supporting the drug cartels so its not just poor people doing it....Its the very few front page news ones that get the attention from the public that outrage people...Do you think Faux News is gonna do a story on the vast majority of people on SS who arent milking the system?...Think about it...Dirty laundry and sensationalism sells...Don Henley sang a great song about it called Dirty Laundry thats so true..So the public has a responsibility in not buying it and supporting it.. As a result, alot of the public seems to believe the third group is the largest one milking their money and Ive never seen that. That misinformation and misleading is my concern....
People that live in DC are taxed and have NO representation. Perhaps that fuels the resentment and outrageous drug spending of some in the ghetto who feel THEY are being milked by the system.
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Post by safetildecember on Oct 26, 2009 16:13:45 GMT -4
Isn't welfare only 10% of the federal budget? Worry about corporate waste and entitlements, that is where the bulk of the money is going. I am pretty sure I have said that before and even posted a link to back it up.
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Post by stephadele on Oct 26, 2009 16:16:43 GMT -4
Invisible..I think you are 100% correct.....Corporate waste takes the majority of spending....I wish people would confront THAT instead of worrying about SS and welfare taking 10% of the budget.
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Post by bigjohn on Oct 27, 2009 16:36:15 GMT -4
Amen!
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