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Post by safetildecember on Nov 6, 2009 10:50:42 GMT -4
The fact is the idiot killed 13 people and wounded 30 more. Even if he was bullied, he was a big boy and a psychicatrist, he should have been able to handle that in a different way. If everyone that was bullied goes out and shoots the bullier, quite a few people would be dead.
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Post by shoreterp on Nov 6, 2009 10:56:07 GMT -4
I knew before they even said his name that it was going to be a muslim with an arabic sounding name. No surprise. Uh of, I must be a racist now. Can't profile, could have been anyone, pure coincidence that he's muslim.....
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 6, 2009 11:38:06 GMT -4
I knew before they even said his name that it was going to be a muslim with an arabic sounding name. No surprise. Uh of, I must be a racist now. Can't profile, could have been anyone, pure coincidence that he's muslim..... If it had been a white skinhead soldier that was mouthing off about wanting Americans to be killed you can bet more would have been done about it. The authorities knew this guy was not right in the head and was a radical Islamic supporter and they did nothing about it. I would not be surprised if some of the families file a lawsuit.
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Post by Frank on Nov 6, 2009 11:58:47 GMT -4
I knew before they even said his name that it was going to be a muslim with an arabic sounding name. No surprise. Uh of, I must be a racist now. Can't profile, could have been anyone, pure coincidence that he's muslim..... If it had been a white skinhead soldier that was mouthing off about wanting Americans to be killed you can bet more would have been done about it. The authorities knew this guy was not right in the head and was a radical Islamic supporter and they did nothing about it. I would not be surprised if some of the families file a lawsuit. People are afraid of "offending" anyone or being perceived as a racist, stereotyping, or profiling. We can be our own worst enemy sometimes.
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 6, 2009 12:13:30 GMT -4
That's why I say political correctness is killing us.
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Post by lynn on Nov 6, 2009 13:29:25 GMT -4
If it had been a white skinhead soldier that was mouthing off about wanting Americans to be killed you can bet more would have been done about it. The authorities knew this guy was not right in the head and was a radical Islamic supporter and they did nothing about it. I would not be surprised if some of the families file a lawsuit. People are afraid of "offending" anyone or being perceived as a racist, stereotyping, or profiling. We can be our own worst enemy sometimes. Exactly! You are so right. How appropriate that he was taken down by a woman! I hope he lives long enough to digest that little fact. Hmmm, he was a mental health professional with many years experience and he definitely should not have been counseling people. Yes, we need to profile and screen people. Yes, political correctness is hurting us. God Bless all of our wonderful men and women in Ft. Hood.
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 6, 2009 13:33:03 GMT -4
Hooray he was taken down by AN AMERICAN WOMAN! That woman should get a medal, I hope she recovers from her injuries. It is reported he had many problems with his personal beliefs and problems performing his duties at work. How many red flags did he need before something was done? I am not sure but I do not think he ever served in the middle east so he should have no PTSD to blame it on. I don't care what anybody says, this was an act of terrorism committed by a terrorist.
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Post by speedergurl68 on Nov 6, 2009 13:54:13 GMT -4
It was an act of High Treason.
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Post by runlover43 on Nov 6, 2009 14:00:24 GMT -4
Today is a very sad day in America - now there has been another shooting/killing in FL.
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Post by funnel101 on Nov 6, 2009 14:09:24 GMT -4
Hooray he was taken down by AN AMERICAN WOMAN! FYI: Hasan was also American, born and raised here.
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Post by kl on Nov 6, 2009 14:13:03 GMT -4
I knew before they even said his name that it was going to be a muslim with an arabic sounding name. No surprise. Uh of, I must be a racist now. Can't profile, could have been anyone, pure coincidence that he's muslim..... If it had been a white skinhead soldier that was mouthing off about wanting Americans to be killed you can bet more would have been done about it. The authorities knew this guy was not right in the head and was a radical Islamic supporter and they did nothing about it. I would not be surprised if some of the families file a lawsuit. Please explain why these same authorities that knew , why then would they promote this officer to Major? Since it's quite apparent that you know someone on the inside with all of the facts? Thankyou Better yet, will you then make the connection of Virginia Tech students?
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 6, 2009 14:50:24 GMT -4
Hooray he was taken down by AN AMERICAN WOMAN! FYI: Hasan was also American, born and raised here. As I stated in a previous post, he was born and raised here and was Muslim since birth, not a convert as was stated on some news programs. The way he felt about Americans, he should not have been allowed to be one. If you don't like the country, get out.
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Post by kl on Nov 6, 2009 15:35:39 GMT -4
The way he felt about the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq you mean, not how he felt about Americans. But again, lets wait to see what he says.
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 6, 2009 16:09:10 GMT -4
The way he felt about the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq you mean, not how he felt about Americans. But again, lets wait to see what he says. He has stated he wanted a suicide bomber to bomb Times Square. Last I checked Times Square was in New York, not Iraq or Afghanistan. It is a shame he did not have the balls to strap a suicide bomb on himself. Much like Bin Laden did not have enough balls to be on the plane.
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Post by bchevy on Nov 6, 2009 16:25:04 GMT -4
You're right about waiting for the FACTS. The alleged bullying is not one of them yet. That claim is based on a statement from a family member (hardly impartial), and has not been established as a fact any more than some of the claims about his alleged statements praising suicide bombers. AGREED! Can WE back off on the SPECULATION and ASSUMPTIONS for 5 minutes?
If someone here really knows so much I say hop on a plane to Ft. hood and clear it all up by yourself. You could save the gov't a bunch of time and money on their investigation by clearing it right up. Half the crap in and on the news is speculation, hearsay, and crap. Let's wait for some FACTS
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 6, 2009 16:39:38 GMT -4
The authorities have information from his computer that he has posted on the internet, much of it was many months ago. He has been disciplined at work numerous times for preaching Islamic Muslim teachings to the people he was suppose to be counseling. So if you think half of the news is crap but you want to wait for the facts, how do you determine which crap is fact?
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Post by stephadele on Nov 6, 2009 16:41:22 GMT -4
Profiling and screening people wont keep them out of the field of psychiatry, if theres no outwards signs of trouble. Thats usually the case. We cant predict how someone in medical school will react 10 or 20 years later due to adverse work changes, especially when we dont know what those changes will be.
Interesting that some of the most horrific gun massacres...University of Texas 1965, Luby's Cafeteria and now this...occurred in a state with very liberal gun laws.. But then, growing up in Waco, about 30 miles from Ft. Hood, hearing about shootings of soldiers was often a weekly occurance on the nitely news for me....So in some ways Im not surprised it happened....What I do know is that mental health providers are often expected to help others at the expense of themselves.......Help and supports for providers are few and far between....Since the military is often inept at providing adequate mental healthcare for its soldiers, from what my vet clients tell me, he probably wouldnt/ didnt get the help he needed....This was also confirmed during a 60 minutes show I watched on the VA and vet suicides a few years ago when a "spokesman" tried to reassure the unsuspecting public that soldiers returning from Iraq were debriefed for 6 months...Since we know that symptoms of PTSD often dont show up until AFTER a year or more after the trauma has ended, this time period wouldnt even target most of those who were suicidal ....
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Post by moosie on Nov 6, 2009 16:42:04 GMT -4
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Posted by InvisibleAbuser on Today at 15:39 The authorities have information from his computer that he has posted on the internet, much of it was many months ago. He has been disciplined at work numerous times for preaching Islamic Muslim teachings to the people he was suppose to be counseling. So if you think half of the news is crap but you want to wait for the facts, how do you determine which crap is fact?
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proselytizing for one's religion does not make one a murderer, even if inappropriate.
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 6, 2009 16:45:27 GMT -4
quote: Posted by InvisibleAbuser on Today at 15:39 The authorities have information from his computer that he has posted on the internet, much of it was many months ago. He has been disciplined at work numerous times for preaching Islamic Muslim teachings to the people he was suppose to be counseling. So if you think half of the news is crap but you want to wait for the facts, how do you determine which crap is fact? unquote proselytizing for one's religion does not make one a murderer, even if inappropriate. I never said it did make him a murderer. I was just stating some of the facts that are on the news. Although it does not necessarily make him a murderer, it was not appropriate, he should not have been in the position he was in counseling and many of the things he did were red flags. There is a difference in the Muslim faith and radical Islam.
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 6, 2009 16:47:14 GMT -4
Profiling and screening people wont keep them out of the field of psychiatry, if theres no outwards signs of trouble. Thats usually the case. We cant predict how someone in medical school will react 10 or 20 years later due to adverse work changes, especially when we dont know what those changes will be. Interesting that some of the most horrific gun massacres...University of Texas 1965, Luby's Cafeteria and now this...occurred in a state with very liberal gun laws.. But then, growing up in Waco, about 30 miles from Ft. Hood, hearing about shootings of soldiers was often a weekly occurance on the nitely news for me....So in some ways Im not surprised it happened....What I do know is that mental health providers are often expected to help others at the expense of themselves.......Help and supports for providers are few and far between...Since the military is often inept at providing adeqwuate mental healthcare for its soldiers, from what my vet clients tell me, he probably wouldnt didnt get the help he needed....Shame he didnt retire before he snapped... Exactly! He should have been forced to retire. I bet they regret not letting him out like he wanted. Although he might have still snapped.
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Post by stephadele on Nov 6, 2009 16:49:10 GMT -4
You cant force someone to retire if theres no outward signs of trouble...and you are right that even if they could force him to retire, it doesnt get rid of the PTSD...he probably still would have snapped...maybe even caused more damage.
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 6, 2009 16:51:03 GMT -4
Someone dropped the ball in a major way with this guy. There were too many signs that he was troubled and into radical Islam.
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 6, 2009 16:52:11 GMT -4
You cant force someone to retire if theres no outward signs of trouble...and you are right that even if they could force him to retire, it doesnt get rid of the PTSD...he probably still would have snapped...maybe even caused more damage. He wanted out, he begged to get out, he even hired a lawyer to try to get out, he offered to pay back the money, our tax dollars that paid for him to go to school.
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Post by lynn on Nov 6, 2009 17:33:28 GMT -4
If he wanted out of the military so bad, he could have: 1) Gone AWOL. 2) Used some drugs and then make a tip for a drug test to be required. 3) Started coming to work drunk every day. 4) Declare proudly that he is gay and d**n proud of it and start skipping around the office and blowing kisses to the Commander.
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The fact is, everyone deals with stress at times in their lives, if he wanted out of the military he could have done many things to get out.
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Post by safetildecember on Nov 6, 2009 17:36:24 GMT -4
#4 could have gotten him killed if he was in the Middle East. Thank God he will be in a military courtroom and hopefully he will get what he deserves.
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