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Post by oriolesfan on Jun 23, 2014 13:45:32 GMT -4
Maybe he will or maybe he won't. Neither of us can answer it
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Post by JJ on Jun 23, 2014 13:48:11 GMT -4
Do you believe Sheriff Hofmann not being truthful and being caught in numerous lies is a integrity issue?
Do you believe any law enforcement officer epically in command should not be employed if they have had proven integrity and ethical issues?Do you believe any law enforcement officer epically in command should not be employed if they have had proven integrity and ethical issues?
Do you agree that the Sexual Assault with Sheriff Hofmann's brother J.D. was handled totally wrong and unethically?Do you agree that the Sexual Assault with Sheriff Hofmann's brother J.D. was handled totally wrong and unethically?
Do you believe campaigning and politicking on tax payer time and using your uniform and police vehicle is an ethical and proven departmental violation?
Do you believe there is a problem with Sheriff Hofmann or any boss when the employees under their command will not support them?Do you believe there is a problem with Sheriff Hofmann or any boss when the employees under their command will not support them?
Do you believe Sheriff Hofmann has Integrity and Ethical issues, with what has been proven facts so far?
My Answers: Do you believe Sheriff Hofmann not being truthful and being caught in numerous lies is a integrity issue? YES
Do you believe any law enforcement officer especially in command should not be employed if they have had proven integrity and ethical issues? YES
Do you agree that the Sexual Assault with Sheriff Hofmann's brother J.D. was handled totally wrong and unethically? YES
Do you believe campaigning and politicking on tax payer time and using your uniform and police vehicle is an ethical and proven departmental violation? YES
Do you believe there is a problem with Sheriff Hofmann or any boss when the employees under their command will not support them? YES
Do you believe Sheriff Hofmann has Integrity and Ethical issues, with what has been proven facts so far? YES
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Post by oriolesfan on Jun 23, 2014 13:51:22 GMT -4
Personally I think we should switch to a county police dept and do it like AA and PG County do it.
Prepare for a lot higher taxes to pay for it though but all in all it's a better system
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Post by JJ on Jun 23, 2014 13:53:28 GMT -4
Personally I think we should switch to a county police dept and do it like AA and PG County do it. Prepare for a lot higher taxes to pay for it though but all in all it's a better system And Gary Hofmann would have been fired a long time ago if he were the Chief of a police department with this track record of events and his integrity and ethical issues!
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Post by intheknowq1 on Jun 23, 2014 14:04:42 GMT -4
Having a County PD is much cheaper than you think.
County owns all sheriffs dept equipment already. Keep sheriff and 11 others to handle what is required by MD constitution, transfer all others to new county pd, hire a CoP and a [HASH]2, change patches and decals, whaalaa.......
As time goes by the new administration can change/massage any policies that need to be done.
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Post by oriolesfan on Jun 23, 2014 14:06:31 GMT -4
Personally I think we should switch to a county police dept and do it like AA and PG County do it. Prepare for a lot higher taxes to pay for it though but all in all it's a better system And Gary Hofmann would have been fired a long time ago if he were the Chief of a police department with this track record of events and his integrity and ethical issues! That has nothing to do with my thoughts on it though
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Post by oriolesfan on Jun 23, 2014 14:07:49 GMT -4
Having a County PD is much cheaper than you think. County owns all sheriffs dept equipment already. Keep sheriff and 11 others to handle what is required by MD constitution, transfer all others to new county pd, hire a CoP and a [HASH]2, change patches and decals, whaalaa....... As time goes by the new administration can change/massage any policies that need to be done. You'd need much more bodies and higher pay to do it right. There is the problem
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Post by frankf on Jun 23, 2014 14:17:40 GMT -4
You'd need much more bodies and higher pay to do it right. There is the problem Meh... The new park use TAX could pay for it.
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Post by oriolesfan on Jun 23, 2014 14:24:48 GMT -4
You'd need much more bodies and higher pay to do it right. There is the problem Meh... The new park use TAX could pay for it. Good point. That's doing wonders I'm sure
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Post by oriolesfan on Jun 23, 2014 14:50:05 GMT -4
JJ.
Is it true the 80 mil lawsuit is now dropped with no fault findings?
Or more lies?
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Post by frankf on Jun 23, 2014 14:58:20 GMT -4
"The Queen Anne’s County Office of the Sheriff is announcing that the parties have agreed and are in the process of preparing a release and discharge from a lawsuit pertaining to allegations against a former deputy arising from a traffic stop and citations on March 4, 2010."
And that means EXACTLY what? They paid Mr Lee off?
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Post by oriolesfan on Jun 23, 2014 15:02:43 GMT -4
"The Queen Anne’s County Office of the Sheriff is announcing that the parties have agreed and are in the process of preparing a release and discharge from a lawsuit pertaining to allegations against a former deputy arising from a traffic stop and citations on March 4, 2010."
And that means EXACTLY what? They paid Mr Lee off? Well the county can't hide a payoff I know that.....maybe he didn't get a penny from the county at all and will go after the fired deputy who is at fault The whole statement posted seems like he got nothing
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Post by frankf on Jun 23, 2014 15:10:31 GMT -4
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Post by oriolesfan on Jun 23, 2014 15:14:36 GMT -4
Like I said he's probably gonna to have to go after the ex deputy himself.
I don't have time to read 42 pages right now
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Post by emsguru on Jun 23, 2014 15:25:03 GMT -4
herefore, both the fe deral and state claims against the State of Maryland, the Sheriff’s Office, and Sheriff Ho ffman in his official capacity must be dismissed. The only remaining counts, theref ore, are Lee’s claims against Deputy Johnson and Sheriff Hofmann in their individual capacities
Page 13. So it looks like he can only sue Gary hoffman as a person but the county/state is off the hook .
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Post by frankf on Jun 23, 2014 15:44:21 GMT -4
From page two of the document:
"This Court accepts as true the facts alleged in the plaintiff’s complaint."
While the case was dismissed due to procedural issues, the court sided with Mr Lee. Hardly a glowing testimonial to the QA Sheriff's Department.
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Post by KITransplant on Jun 23, 2014 16:03:01 GMT -4
As far as the comment in the decision, "This Court accepts as true the facts alleged in the plaintiff's complaint," that is not a statement saying that the Court is agreeing that what the plaintiff said is in fact true.
The defendants here asked for a Motion to Dismiss. In such instances, the Court is required to consider all designated evidence in the light most favorable to the opposing party (in this case, the plaintiff). Basically, you have to take the plaintiff at his word.
The Court here didn't make any findings as far as what the facts are. The court didn't side with anyone. This is a procedural decision about who can be sued, and that's it.
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Post by KITransplant on Jun 23, 2014 16:04:00 GMT -4
As far as the comment in the decision, "This Court accepts as true the facts alleged in the plaintiff's complaint," that is not a statement saying that the Court is agreeing that what the plaintiff said is in fact true.
The defendants here asked for a Motion to Dismiss. In such instances, the Court is required to consider all designated evidence in the light most favorable to the opposing party (in this case, the plaintiff). Basically, you have to take the plaintiff at his word.
The Court here didn't make any findings as far as what the facts are. The court didn't side with anyone. This is a procedural decision about who can be sued, and that's it.
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Post by KITransplant on Jun 23, 2014 16:04:51 GMT -4
I created a post twice accidentally, but it probably bears repeating in all of this clutter.
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Post by frankf on Jun 23, 2014 16:13:11 GMT -4
No matter which way you want to spin it, the fact remains that Mr Lee was held for 40+ days for a crime he didn't commit by our Sheriff Department (and was proven by dash cam, along with the fact that Deputy Johnson was fired). That alone should be enough to give you the warm fuzzys.
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Post by KITransplant on Jun 23, 2014 16:46:59 GMT -4
No spin on my part. If there is any spin (whether accidental or not), it is to say that the court "sided" with Mr. Lee's version of the facts. It didn't. That being said, Mr. Lee's version may be 100 percent accurate. I am not saying they are, or aren't. I simply don't know.
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Post by frankf on Jun 23, 2014 17:34:27 GMT -4
No spin on my part. If there is any spin (whether accidental or not), it is to say that the court "sided" with Mr. Lee's version of the facts. It didn't. That being said, Mr. Lee's version may be 100 percent accurate. I am not saying they are, or aren't. I simply don't know. Is this better? Mr Lee was held for 40+ days for a crime he didn't commit by our Sheriff Department (and was proven by dash cam, along with the fact that Deputy Johnson was fired). That alone should be enough to give you the warm fuzzys.
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Post by oriolesfan on Jun 23, 2014 20:00:17 GMT -4
But everyone is trying to make this some mass conspiracy that the everyone knew he was falsely charged
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Post by frankf on Jun 23, 2014 20:32:50 GMT -4
But everyone is trying to make this some mass conspiracy that the everyone knew he was falsely charged So between the $670,000 settlement, and the cost of defending both that and the cost of defense in the Lee case, I think it would be safe to say that the current Sheriff has cost taxpayers an additional $1 million because of bad decisions or incompetence or whatever you want to call it. Isn't that enough to think that maybe a change is in order?
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Post by oriolesfan on Jun 23, 2014 20:35:33 GMT -4
Haven't seen a dept in existance that hasn't been sued for whatever reason
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