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Post by brians on Jul 28, 2009 8:26:05 GMT -4
What do you think about the media emphasizing the upcoming "BEER SUMMIT" between gates, obama and the sergeant? ?? ;D
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Post by jetdoc on Jul 28, 2009 9:14:39 GMT -4
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Post by cheapshotartist on Jul 28, 2009 17:31:20 GMT -4
Pete,
Your account is not correct, read the report........AGAIN please.
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Post by pete1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:01:29 GMT -4
Dee lightful.........The police wrote the report. You must weigh in what Gates, and the disinterested witnesses say.....When my home was burglarized, and vandalized to the tune of $22,000.00 the Sheriff's Department rewrote the original report three months after the fact. The new report contained over 65 mistakes......Please explain what I'm missing.
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Post by pete1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:16:28 GMT -4
dej........I agree with you when you point out the corruption in the judicial system that occurs when political pressure is applied............Here is a very important piece of the puzzle that no one has mentioned to my knowledge. Did Gates invite the Sergeant into his house? We know that he told the Sergeant to get out. Under what authority did the Sergeant enter the house?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2009 9:15:04 GMT -4
Accounts differ in Gates incident - USA Today
Cambridge, Mass., police arrested Harvard University scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr., on July 16 after a woman visiting nearby called 911. The woman whose 911 call set in motion the events that led to the arrest of Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates did not tell police during the call that the two men she saw forcing their way into a house were black. Her account of the incident, provided by her attorney, differs from a report written by the officer who arrested Gates. The officer's report said the witness told him at the scene the men were black. The woman's lawyer denies that.
In a recording of the 911 call released Monday by police in Cambridge, Mass., Lucia Whalen said she could not see the men clearly. She said one man might be Hispanic.
The release of the tape and a recording of subsequent police radio transmissions provided more details about the incident that has ignited a debate about race and racial profiling by police. The tapes do not explain how a routine call about a possible burglary led to Gates' arrest at home on a charge of disorderly conduct.
Gates was arrested July 16 after an altercation with Sgt. James Crowley, who responded to the 911 call. The charges were dropped five days later.
Gates called the incident a classic case of racial profiling. Crowley said race was not a factor and Gates was arrested because he was unruly.
President Obama added to the discord last week when he said police "acted stupidly." He later said he didn't mean to malign Crowley and has invited him and Gates to the White House on Thursday, an administration official told the Associated Press on condition of anonymity as the meeting hadn't been announced.
According to the 911 call, Whalen wasn't sure a crime was taking place. She told a dispatcher she saw suitcases and didn't know whether the men lived in the house.
"I don't know what's happening," Whalen said. Several times during the 2 1/2-minute call, she said she made the call for an older woman who lives in the neighborhood and was worried when she saw two men trying to barge into the house.
Whalen, who works near Gates' home and was on her way to lunch when the incident occurred, spoke about it Monday through her lawyer, Wendy Murphy. According to Murphy, Whalen said officers did not interview her at the scene, she never said the men at the house were black, and the only thing she told Crowley was that she was the 911 caller.
Cambridge Police Commissioner Robert Haas did not return calls seeking comment about the discrepancy. Haas told the Associated Press that the police report is merely a summary of the incident and not an exact chronology.
Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, a black friend of Gates' who had called the arrest "every black man's nightmare," said Monday that he won't apologize for his remarks. A multiracial group of police officers supporting Crowley has demanded an apology.
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Post by RobMoore on Jul 29, 2009 17:23:13 GMT -4
Regardless of opinion on this subject, can we not all agree that its absolutely ridiculous that the Prof, the Cop, and the Pres are getting together at the white house to "discuss this over a beer"?
....and that the neighbor who called 911 was given a pres conference to "tell her side of the story" and nearly come to tears at some of the comments she has been receiving.
Is there THAT little going on in the world that for my entire lunch break today, all the news had to broadcast was this woman's 15 minutes of lame?
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Post by bchevy on Jul 29, 2009 18:16:26 GMT -4
Regardless of opinion on this subject, can we not all agree that its absolutely ridiculous that the Prof, the Cop, and the Pres are getting together at the white house to "discuss this over a beer"? ....and that the neighbor who called 911 was given a pres conference to "tell her side of the story" and nearly come to tears at some of the comments she has been receiving. Is there THAT little going on in the world that for my entire lunch break today, all the news had to broadcast was this woman's 15 minutes of lame? Apparently there is "THAT little" going on that idiotic people are sending thie neighbor threatening messages. The neighbor was DOING A GOOD DEED. I invite my neighbors to act this way if they suspect something is up at my house.
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Post by RobMoore on Jul 29, 2009 19:42:50 GMT -4
Of course, I didn't mean to say that she shouldn't have made the call to 911. Its the call to the news agencies saying "come out and put me in front of a microphone and a camera" that I have a problem with......and the newsies saying "Sure, we've got nothing better to do".
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Post by adaml on Jul 29, 2009 20:01:07 GMT -4
I am amazed that the Police Chief of Cambridge Mass. hasn't bowed down and sold out his Sergeant due to political pressure!
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Post by linda712 on Jul 29, 2009 20:01:03 GMT -4
Totally agree -- the prez seems to be trying, fruitlessly, to unscrew his current screw up and is looking more and more the fool (MHO). Should just stop and let it pass. And the neighbor press conference -- oh, Lord....
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Post by RobMoore on Jul 29, 2009 20:24:56 GMT -4
That is a surprise, especially in that state. Politicians there make ours look good.
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Post by falgar25 on Jul 29, 2009 20:43:05 GMT -4
Of course, I didn't mean to say that she shouldn't have made the call to 911. Its the call to the news agencies saying "come out and put me in front of a microphone and a camera" that I have a problem with......and the newsies saying "Sure, we've got nothing better to do". With Wendy Murphy as her representative this isn't too surprising. I definitely agree about the media. At least the news conference happened recently. Imagine if they didn't have this to cover, the headlines would probably read "Michael Jackson still dead."
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Post by bchevy on Jul 29, 2009 20:55:50 GMT -4
Totally agree -- the prez seems to be trying, fruitlessly, to unscrew his current screw up and is looking more and more the fool (MHO). If Obomba would have made an apology, a REAL one, instead of the rediculous political spewage of an attempt that he made, this would have been gone by now.
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Post by pete1 on Jul 30, 2009 2:00:56 GMT -4
Who is the liar?.........The 911 caller also spoke with the Sergeant on the sidewalk in front of the Gates home. She gave a press conference stating that she never told the Sergeant that she saw 2 black men breaking into the house. The 911 tape also shows that she never mentioned 2 black men. The official Police report written by the Sergeant says the opposite.........Remember this my friends. 1. The reports are written after the fact. 2. Police knew Gates was a big shot before the report was written. 3. Gates was arrested and released before the report was written. 4. Police had good reason to believe that Gates would make a stink before the report was written. 5. Police are always told to C.Y.A just in case the crap hits the fan.......Idea - Put Gates & the Sergeant on the lie box on TV. Have sponsors put up prise money for the man telling the truth. That man would give the prise money to charity. This would be bigger that the super bowl, and the world series.
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Post by shoregurrl on Jul 30, 2009 7:51:55 GMT -4
I would like to say that I am disappointed about this new evidence that has come to light, and I am, but I expected this. The 911 caller states she never mentioned 2 black men and the 911 recording reflects the same.
So....why does the police report, written after the fact, state differently?
Falsifying police reports should be an offense that warrants immediate termination.
There's no need to even take into account what happened at Gates' home and whether or not Gates appeared to act disrespectful or as if he was "above the law." The police officer lied in the police report; there's no excuse for that. What else did he lie about?
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Post by falgar25 on Jul 30, 2009 10:49:19 GMT -4
I would like to say that I am disappointed about this new evidence that has come to light, and I am, but I expected this. The 911 caller states she never mentioned 2 black men and the 911 recording reflects the same. So....why does the police report, written after the fact, state differently? Falsifying police reports should be an offense that warrants immediate termination. There's no need to even take into account what happened at Gates' home and whether or not Gates appeared to act disrespectful or as if he was "above the law." The police officer lied in the police report; there's no excuse for that. What else did he lie about? Read the information more carefully. There is no dispute about the 911 call, no information about that call appears in the police report. And let's be a bit careful about accusing the officer of lying. Maybe he did, I don't know, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions. What we know for a fact is the officer's recollection as documented in the official report written on 7/16 differs from Ms. Whalen's recollection in front of the TV cameras two weeks later on 7/29. Those are the facts. It could be that her memory is correct and the officer lied. It could be that her memory is correct and the officer remembered incorrectly. It could be that she has been called a racist for referring to him as a black man and now, with the aid of her representative, she is remembering things a bit differently for the cameras. If the officer truly lied then that should be dealt with. But where is the cold, hard evidence? Or is evidence not necessary since we all know the cops always lie? And why is everyone so caught up with Gates being called a black man? He IS a black man. What bothers him more, being identified as black or being identified as a man? How SHOULD the caller have described him? A homo-sapien? Is it OK if she said man or woman? Would it be OK if she mentioned two legs and two arms? Is it OK to notice tall/short or fat/average/skinny? Is it OK to notice black/white/hispanic/oriental? Gates is a black man. If I tried to describe him I would call him an older black man with short hair, glasses, and facial hair. Does that make me racist, sexist, ageist, or some other ist?
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Post by Frank on Jul 30, 2009 12:44:18 GMT -4
There is still a missing piece to this puzzle. The 911 caller said she didn't tell the operator that there were two black men. She thinks she said he may have been hispanic. The 911 caller doesn't talk to the officer. I don't know how many people are between the operator and the officer receiving his information. Maybe the information goes from the caller, through a 911 operator, to a police dispatcher, then to the officer. I don't know, but there is a lot of speculation here to come to a conclusion. Pete, maybe you can enlighten us on how the officer receives his information.
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Post by pete1 on Jul 30, 2009 19:12:22 GMT -4
If no crime has been committed it's profiling to assume that a person is guilty of something because he's black, or young, out late at night, white in a black neighborhood etc. etc.. Except for felonies, and a few misdemeanors the Cops need first hand knowledge that a crime has been committed. For a felony the cops need probable cause that the felony is being, or about to be committed......You're correct on how the call travels......The cops made this a provable racial incident by reporting that the 911 caller personally told the Sergeant that 2 black men were the suspects. The 911 caller stated she never spoke with the Sergeant. Someone is lying. If the Sergeant lied this opens the door for more lawsuits. Not to mention the shadow of doubt on every arrest he's made during his carrier......This is not a racial problem, but a misuse of power. The burden of responsibility is on the cops, and not on the citizens.
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