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Post by AquaHolic on Aug 27, 2009 16:45:43 GMT -4
I'm more than tolerant: I'm accepting. We can agree to disagree, but it saddens me because there are so many GLBT people who suffer because of the belief that non-heterosexuality is a sin. It would be easier for me to just say "we agree to disagree" if it was about something that didn't affect people I know personally. As it is, I try to speak up about this topic, out of respect and love. Let me rephrase I am tolerent of those that choose (and yes I believe it's a choice that they make) the gay lifestyle, as I do have friends who are gay however I am not accepting of that lifestyle. ...As shorti said a couple of times....Love the person, not the act. Dammit...I tried to be silent...but your "CHOICE" reference is totally incorrect. There is Scientific documentation that the brains of true Gay People are not the same as ours. I would have to dig up where the information is...but it is out there. I would also like to add...who in their right mind would want to chose this type of life style. I had a very close relative that was gay...he is now deceased. I asked him some questions and he told me that at a very early age he was attracted to the same sex...he was BORN that way. I don't care how anyone has sex....that is their own business...as long as they don't have sex in front of me...I won't have sex in front of them. I certainly wouldn't condemn them for being different then me. When I was born...my brain was wired for me to be nongay..I didn't Chose to be this way.
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Post by bchevy on Aug 27, 2009 18:17:46 GMT -4
If it's a choice to be gay, did you choose to be straight? Nah, normal comes easy....... Just as long as no one gets their undies in a bunch and quits over this.....
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Post by Water Lady on Aug 27, 2009 18:24:11 GMT -4
Well, if you ask me,
(Oops! Better read the Private Forum "...Sigh")
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Post by einebierbitte on Aug 27, 2009 18:31:28 GMT -4
Again, it is what I believe. Whether you agree or not. Did I choose to be straight, I guess I did. If you want to put in that context.
Everything I have done in my life is based on the choices that I have made, or hoices that were made for me before I became of age.,
As I am sure where you are at in your life is based on your choices.
I am not going to argue medical or scientifically wired because for every "proof" you want to dig up to support your case, I can do the same to support mine!
People have a right to believe what they want whether it agrees with your perspective or not. We can go back and forth all night, you aren't going to change my mind, nor I yours, but perhaps we walk away with respect for others beliefs.
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Post by Water Lady on Aug 27, 2009 18:34:47 GMT -4
Again, it is what I believe. Whether you agree or not. Did I choose to be straight, I guess I did. If you want to put in that context. Everything I have done in my life is based on the choices that I have made, or hoices that were made for me before I became of age., As I am sure where you are at in your life is based on your choices. I am not going to argue medical or scientifically wired because for every "proof" you want to dig up to support your case, I can do the same to support mine! People have a right to believe what they want whether it agrees with your perspective or not. We can go back and forth all night, you aren't going to change my mind, nor I yours, but perhaps we walk away with respect for others beliefs. Very well said Eine!
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Post by speedergurl68 on Aug 27, 2009 18:53:06 GMT -4
Well, hasn't this just been a nifty lil thread Ok...my turn. Here is one of the "compasses" I use in my daily walk... "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery, idolatry and witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy, drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God" - Galatians 5:19-21, NIV. A sin, is a sin, is a sin. Do I think it's right for a homosexual to be in the pulpit? It's just as right as an adulterer, a drunkard, a liar, or any other type of sinner who refuses to repent. Why do you think I don't go into a formal "church"? Do YOU know who is preaching to you? Really? I disagree with formalized "religion" on about every level. I refuse to put God into a man-made box and declare it "right". I have my own beliefs as a Christian and I do my best to do my best every day. If I fail, I try again tomorrow. I have friends that are Wiccan, Jewish, Catholic, Agnostic, Athiest, Homosexual, Straight, Republican and yes, even DEMOCRATS!! ( lol..lil jokiepoo there to lighten the mood) They know exactly where I stand and for whom I stand...and I know the same for them. We do agree to disagree BUT we agree to respect. That has worked for years for us. There is too much chaos being brought about by the discussion regarding homosexuals in a "religious" setting. And chaos, my Christian friends....is inspired by whom? What are we letting ourselves miss while nitpicking which sinner should preach and which one shouldn't? What a convenient distraction. I don't need to agree or disagree with it and that is the plain and simple truth. I will not allow pride to lead me to be judgmental. I have sinned...I cannot judge. I will tend to the weeds in my garden and pray for my neighbor and their weeds. For my friends of the Christian faith....never forget that we are not deserving of the gift we have been given. We did not receive anything based on what good people we were/are....to paraphrase Isaiah: all of our righteousness is like filthy rags before God. We didn't earn our salvation...none of us is so good God thought we were worthy of Christ's death and our resulting redemption for those who choose to believe..we were given it by the grace of God alone. I don't care who you sleep with, who you hate, who you love, who you are jealous of....I love the sinner and hate the sin.
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Post by funnel101 on Aug 27, 2009 19:32:33 GMT -4
Again, it is what I believe. Whether you agree or not. Did I choose to be straight, I guess I did. If you want to put in that context. Everything I have done in my life is based on the choices that I have made, or hoices that were made for me before I became of age., As I am sure where you are at in your life is based on your choices. I am not going to argue medical or scientifically wired because for every "proof" you want to dig up to support your case, I can do the same to support mine! People have a right to believe what they want whether it agrees with your perspective or not. We can go back and forth all night, you aren't going to change my mind, nor I yours, but perhaps we walk away with respect for others beliefs. You can believe whatever you want, but I know I never made a choice.
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Post by - on Aug 27, 2009 21:44:34 GMT -4
Again, it is what I believe. Whether you agree or not. Did I choose to be straight, I guess I did. If you want to put in that context. Everything I have done in my life is based on the choices that I have made, or hoices that were made for me before I became of age., As I am sure where you are at in your life is based on your choices. I am not going to argue medical or scientifically wired because for every "proof" you want to dig up to support your case, I can do the same to support mine! People have a right to believe what they want whether it agrees with your perspective or not. We can go back and forth all night, you aren't going to change my mind, nor I yours, but perhaps we walk away with respect for others beliefs. You can believe whatever you want, but I know I never made a choice. No one makes a choice! And for all of the insutling comments that can be hurtful to some members, some viewers, it's complete ignorance to believe it is a choice. Posters here, please consider that maybe some of our members here may be gay or bi .I don't know, but it can be very hurtful to some people who read this. I am great friends with a guy back home, he and his partner were both married, because it was "The Right Thing To Do". Friend #1 realized after 4 months of being married and had a 500 guest wedding in Virginia, told his wife, I'm sorry, I have been your best friend forever, but I am gay. His wife tried to push him out of the sliding glass doors. Friend #2 who is his partner was also married , and is still friends with his ex wife. WAKE UP EVERYONE!!! Do you honestly believe people choose to be gay? Why did they hide in the "closet" because it was a choice? Do you honestly think that they wanted to be a social outcast in the 80's and obviously in the 21st century? Especially from what I have read here. Book of Leviticus belongs in the garbage! Martin Luther was a Catholic Priest in 1517. He was in love with a nun, Catherine Von Bourough, he nailed his 95 Theses on his church in Wittenberg and left the Catholic Church. He did not believe what the Roman Catholics believed in. He wanted to marry, he didn't believe that you had to buy your way to heaven, etc. Hence the beginning of the Lutheran religon . Catholic light. I'm not going to get into the biblical argument this evening, it's late, and I'm tired. What I'm suggesting is that our faiths grow and change to our times. Gay marriage is being accepted in many states, accepting gay ministers, doesn't make them bad people. How many Catholic Priests are gay? They just may be jumping ship to be Lutherans. Or the straight Priest, Padre Cutie? He fell in love with a woman in Florida and married her. Is he a sinner? He broke the Cardinal law by having sexual relations with a woman! God Bless and Peace to all! -cg
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Post by Water Lady on Aug 27, 2009 23:01:01 GMT -4
You can believe whatever you want, but I know I never made a choice. No one makes a choice! And for all of the insutling comments that can be hurtful to some members, some viewers, it's complete ignorance to believe it is a choice. Posters here, please consider that maybe some of our members here may be gay or bi .I don't know, but it can be very hurtful to some people who read this. I am great friends with a guy back home, he and his partner were both married, because it was "The Right Thing To Do". Friend #1 realized after 4 months of being married and had a 500 guest wedding in Virginia, told his wife, I'm sorry, I have been your best friend forever, but I am gay. His wife tried to push him out of the sliding glass doors. Friend #2 who is his partner was also married , and is still friends with his ex wife. WAKE UP EVERYONE!!! Do you honestly believe people choose to be gay? Why did they hide in the "closet" because it was a choice? Do you honestly think that they wanted to be a social outcast in the 80's and obviously in the 21st century? Especially from what I have read here. Book of Leviticus belongs in the garbage! Martin Luther was a Catholic Priest in 1517. He was in love with a nun, Catherine Von Bourough, he nailed his 95 Theses on his church in Wittenberg and left the Catholic Church. He did not believe what the Roman Catholics believed in. He wanted to marry, he didn't believe that you had to buy your way to heaven, etc. Hence the beginning of the Lutheran religon . Catholic light. I'm not going to get into the biblical argument this evening, it's late, and I'm tired. What I'm suggesting is that our faiths grow and change to our times. Gay marriage is being accepted in many states, accepting gay ministers, doesn't make them bad people. How many Catholic Priests are gay? They just may be jumping ship to be Lutherans. Or the straight Priest, Padre Cutie? He fell in love with a woman in Florida and married her. Is he a sinner? He broke the Cardinal law by having sexual relations with a woman! God Bless and Peace to all! -cg OK, We all have our opinions as evidenced by this thread! I do agree that we all should probably remember what SG was trying to tell us; that distraction, discontent and contention does not usually originate from our Heavenly Father. I don't see any written word here that is truly "hateful" toward one individual or another. I see informed and dedicated individuals expressing their "personal" views on a particular subject... The book of Leviticus, in my opinion, should not be thrown in the garbage - any more that any book of the Bible should be thrown in the garbage...Martin Luther had a "few more issues" with the Catholic Church than the fact that he was once in love with a nun... If we continue along this line, we will be getting ourselves into a discussion about Catholic vs Protestant before we know it!
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Post by - on Aug 28, 2009 19:28:21 GMT -4
Here is a message from my minister, if anyone who would like to read the attachment from his email, kindly send me a PM, with your email address or send it to Rich. And I will gladly send you the information that helps support this.
I have never been one to judge, by nationality, race, creed, sexual relations, or poor or wealthy. I do find it sad that there is still denial about sexuality between same sex.
PLEASE send me a PM, and I have some more information from The Lutheran Church of America. Nope, not recruiting, just food for thought.
-CG aka Kathy -
Bishop Graham, I have recently read two "Open Letters" related to the proposals that will be before the upcoming ELCA Assembly: one from CORE and the other from Bishop Chilstrom, former Presiding Bishop of the ELCA. The CORE letter was written against the proposals before the church. Bishop Chilstrom's letter was a response to the CORE letter, supporting the proposals to the church. The CORE letter was fear-filled -- fear about parliamentary procedure; fear of Christians having different opinions on ethical issues; fear of what other churches might think; fear that rostering issues will be confusing; and fear of individual conscience. Bishop Chilstrom's letter was faith-filled -- faith in God, that the work of the Holy Spirit is alive and well in the church; faith in the whole Word of God (Jesus as Word of God, gospel proclamation as Word of God, and the Bible as Word of God), faith in the God of grace, who is for all people; and faith that God and God's Word will lead us through a time of declining membership. The CORE letter assumes that the Bible condemns faithful, monogamous, homosexual relationships. Bishop Chilstrom's letter asked questions about what the signers of the CORE letter meant by the "Word of God", but he did not make a strong argument for his case based on the authority of the Word of God, including the authority of the Bible. The Bible certainly condemns abusive sex acts (including rape, incest, adultery, pederasty, required celibacy, and sex slavery). This is undisputable. This is the true and right Word of God condemning human sinfulness through God's law. It is what the church as always condemned and what the ELCA continues to condemn. However, the Bible NEVER addresses the subject of sexualities -- the deep seated aspect of sexual orientation, established at birth or in the first years after birth. In fact, sexualities could not be addressed, by biblical approval, condemnation, or indifference, because the distinction of a person being either heterosexual or homosexual in their genetic and/or developmental persona was first "discovered" by the psychological sciences, 1,700 years after the close of the biblical canon. The Bible (faith, hope, and love in God through Jesus Christ, as well as the Commandments) helps us to live out our new understandings of our human sexualities, but in no way can it be claimed that the Bible approves or condemns outright, that which had not yet been discovered or developed. This is true of human sexualities as well as other modern discoveries: early childhood development, atomic energy, parenting skills, rocket science, equality of women and men, genetic science, understanding of race, or the development and use of computers. The Bible certainly know about all kinds of sex acts and condemns abusive sex acts, as the church continues to do. However, to include loving, supportive, monogamous homosexual relationships (about which the Bible is silent) as an abusive sexual act is; first of all; an abuse of the Bible; and secondly, it an abuse of people (Christian and non-Christian) in loving, supportive, monogamous sexual relationships. To be honest with each other and in our proclamation to the world, the church must be clear that the Bible is silent about the mystery of human sexualities (hetero and homo). This is something we can rightly and strongly proclaim to the world for the sake of the gospel of Jesus Christ. However, it is dishonest and a violation of the Lutheran principle of "sola scriptura" to allow our fears and false assumptions to be read into the biblical text (which determines our proclamation of the biblical witness and the policies of the church), only to support our prejudices against people God made with a different sexual orientation. Having read the two "Open Letters" -- neither of which had an examination of the biblical or confessional texts -- I remembered that I had written a piece in 2004, which examines the biblical and confessional texts related to homosexual acts. I am attaching it with this e-mail because you may find it helpful. Thank you for your faithful service! Pr Roger Berner Trinity Lutheran Church North Bethesda, MD PS -- You may share this e-mail and the attached pdf file with anyone.
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Post by shorti on Aug 29, 2009 8:37:45 GMT -4
i think what eine is trying to say... maybe i'm wrong... but i see it like this... a choice being at some point you have to decide that you are going to physically be with someone of the same sex. i don't discredit that some may have an inclination to be attracted to the same sex, but to act on that feeling is a choice.
CG - while that letter is well written, i ask - do you really believe that the Bible is irrelevant or out of date? because i know when i read it - it will be 100% applicable to what is going on at that time in my life - i read Proverbs daily (there's 31 of them) and what i read on the 19th this month will apply to what's going on in my life and on the 19th of next month it will apply as well in a whole different set of circumstances. I believe that is the power of the Holy Spirit as well as proof to me that the Bible is a living, active, infallible Word of God. I can go on & on, times of trouble & I'll just open my Bible & what I open to is PERFECT - exactly what I needed to read - sometimes it's a reaffirmation & sometimes it's a kick in the butt. So for me, that's proof that the Bible is relevant & not out of date.
SG - you are right... we have no right to judge others - but I do believe we have a duty to tell what we believe in the hope that GOd will soften someone's heart & make the change, because He is the only one who can change that. about your comment about being just as much of a sin if a drunk or a child molester is in the pulpit... again, you are right... while nobody is perfect and we ALL fall short of the glory of God... if you are a believer in Christ as your Lord THEN your Savior you are washed in His blood, His death was payment for my sins, your sins, and when we sin - we repent, which means to ask for forgiveness & literally turn away from the act. It's a heart matter & only He knows what's in ones heart. So back on point... is it right for someone to be living a different life Monday - Saturday than they do on Sunday - NO - that goes for those in the congregation as well as the pulpit & again, they will have to answer for those actions. I know who is preaching on Sundays in my church the sad part is not many do know who is really in the pulpit on Sundays. I'm fortunate, our pastor is incredibly transparent and I think that's where true genuineness (sp?) comes into play. And once again I have to agree with you in regards to formalized religion... that was one of my biggest stumbling blocks with any church... it's all about religion... not what it should be about... a RELATIONSHIP... If you go to church on Sunday to "check it off your list" then you need to check your heart... He wants relationship with us - not religion - to me that means a daily/moment-by-moment reliance on Him & Him alone... that's where I believe so many miss the mark just by a hair... folks believe that He is a get outta hell free card but don't regard anything else he taught - not saying that any of you fall into this category, just stating what I've personally experienced. Am I the perfect Christian? No - but nobody is... but I'd like to believe that for the most part, the fruit of my life - my daily walk, how i interact w/ those around me that I know & those I don't know, how I approach situations, etc speaks that I'm doing my best. Do i fall? DAILY! Alot of my beliefs stem from a long journey to where I am now. As well as that peace that surpasses all understanding in the circumstances that seems impossible. Because I believe that He is in control & whatever I'm going through is either a trial in order for me learn a lesson or I've been holding onto sin & a worldview, and I've gotten myself into this mess - but He is right there with me just waiting for me to reach up & grab His hand. He will get me through it, I just have to rely on Him and have faith.
Like I said in my original post, I don't agree w/ allowing an openly homosexual person to be in the pulpit because the Bible does specifically mention it's a sin, in the same breath I don't believe an adulterer should be there either & would make the same statement. To me, this adds to the hypocrisy that many churches fall victim to - the reason I never believed in organized religion... I go to a church that associates w/ southern baptist do I say I'm southern baptist? No, I'm a Christian. I'm not Catholic, Lutheran or any other religion, I'm a follower of Christ... I do my best daily to love God & love people & serve the world - that was Jesus' most important commandment.
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Post by island tech on Aug 29, 2009 14:02:43 GMT -4
You can believe whatever you want, but I know I never made a choice. Book of Leviticus belongs in the garbage! -cg I didn't know that the Lutherans reject books of the Bible! Any books left out or ignored are of false teachings! And for the record any Minister ( A man) who practices homsexuality should not be ministering anyone!Just like a minister who has an affair should not be allowed either!
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Post by island tech on Aug 29, 2009 14:09:10 GMT -4
There is a way to discern: listen to the Holy Spirit and let It guide you. A good book for learning how to do this is "Sacred Compass" by Brent Bill. The only book to understand this is The BIBLE!
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Post by - on Aug 29, 2009 19:13:08 GMT -4
I know it's all dis concerning to many people here. As Barb posted, it is something that some people were born with. But I'm tired of beating a dead horse. And knowing from a pm from at least 2 forum members that they are not heterosexual, how hurt they are for the ignorance of understanding.
And for island tech. Kindly don't judge people who do not judge you. I believe you know what I am speaking of. I'm bigger than insulting a family member of yours, as you chose to insult my minister.
This thread is getting frustrating for someone like myself who have so many gay friends. And for all of my heterosexual friends. Sure hope you didn't choose to be attracted to the opposite sex! And carry it even further, and have sex and a job!
Jon, I hope you don't cut your hair, work on Sunday's , keep reading the book of Leviticus. That guy was an EXTREMELY OPINIONATED MAN. Ever think for a moment if you still go to church, why the readings, and Gospel never refer to the book of Leviticus? Regardless of you faith, organized faith. Kindly ask your leader of your organization or church of the book of Leviticus.
The book of Leviticus is not respected by All organized faiths, and also my most non demo national organizations as well.
-cg
PS, I need to lower my exalts, so go for it! Frankly my dear, I don't give a d**n!
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Post by island tech on Aug 29, 2009 19:36:41 GMT -4
I know it's all dis concerning to many people here. As Barb posted, it is something that some people were born with. But I'm tired of beating a dead horse. And knowing from a pm from at least 2 forum members that they are not heterosexual, how hurt they are for the ignorance of understanding. And for island tech. Kindly don't judge people who do not judge you. I believe you know what I am speaking of. I'm bigger than insulting a family member of yours, as you chose to insult my minister. This thread is getting frustrating for someone like myself who have so many gay friends. And for all of my heterosexual friends. Sure hope you didn't choose to be attracted to the opposite sex! And carry it even further, and have sex and a job! Jon, I hope you don't cut your hair, work on Sunday's , keep reading the book of Leviticus. That guy was an EXTREMELY OPINIONATED MAN. Ever think for a moment if you still go to church, why the readings, and Gospel never refer to the book of Leviticus? Regardless of you faith, organized faith. Kindly ask your leader of your organization or church of the book of Leviticus. The book of Leviticus is not respected by All organized faiths, and also my most non demo national organizations as well. -cg PS, I need to lower my exalts, so go for it! Frankly my dear, I don't give a d**n! Who am I judging? You want to judge a family member of mine go ahead. I do go to church on a regular basis and in all the years that I've been going I have never heard of any book of the Bible not being respected. But hey if that's what your being fed than good for ya!
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Post by island tech on Aug 29, 2009 19:39:31 GMT -4
You can't cut and paste the Bible as you or anyone see's fit! Your either all in or not in at all!
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Post by Water Lady on Aug 29, 2009 20:07:29 GMT -4
You can't cut and paste the Bible as you or anyone see's fit! Your either all in or not in at all! I could not agree more!!! Unlike some, I am not going to remotely imply that somehow I am a Biblical Scholar or have information from "someone" who's opinion should sway me to make a decision or change my beliefs. I was taught what I was taught, and I choose to believe what I choose to believe. The thing that disturbs me is this idea that because I choose to believe in a more "traditional" point of view, that I am somehow less a Christian and am choosing to "judge" others? ? Sometime, way back in "Sunday School," we had a lesson on a passage from the Bible (and no, I can't quote the book, the chapter or the verse...) that basically said "...stop listening to teachings that you know are not true..."As for judgements...I found it really interesting to compare and contrast some of the comments on this particular thread with comments made (by the same members) on the Ted Kennedy thread.
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Post by Water Lady on Aug 30, 2009 0:58:47 GMT -4
And I guess I'm not finished...
1. Disagreeing does not = Insulting
2. I was raised a Lutheran and we studied the book of Leviticus, along with all the other books of the Bible, including Revelations...
3. Please, someone tell me what a "non demo national organization" is?
4. If I do not agree with someone else's way of life, that does not make me "ignorant." I interact, employ and care about A LOT of people who do not see things/believe things the way I do...
If you have the guts to go back and review the posts on this thread, I think you would be astonished as to who is tolerant and who is not!
Disagreeing with another's opinion does not make you intolerant - insisting that others agree or conform to your opinion makes you intolerant.
Now I am finished with this...
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Post by funnel101 on Aug 30, 2009 12:33:29 GMT -4
You can't cut and paste the Bible as you or anyone see's fit! Your either all in or not in at all! I could not agree more!!! Unlike some, I am not going to remotely imply that somehow I am a Biblical Scholar or have information from "someone" who's opinion should sway me to make a decision or change my beliefs. I was taught what I was taught, and I choose to believe what I choose to believe. The thing that disturbs me is this idea that because I choose to believe in a more "traditional" point of view, that I am somehow less a Christian and am choosing to "judge" others? ? If you take the Bible seriously, isn't it worth knowing its history and what it actually says? As for what makes someone intolerant, my beliefs don't condemn a group of people for loving someone.
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Post by shorti on Aug 30, 2009 14:18:00 GMT -4
A dear friend of mine reminded me of a very good point... Sex is not supposed to be outside of marriage... marriage is to be between a man & a woman... God created marriage - not man or government... Thanks friend for the simple reminder... Funnel... my beliefs don't condemn a group of people - we love the people, we don't condone the act...
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Post by funnel101 on Aug 30, 2009 15:28:43 GMT -4
Marriage hasn't always been between a man and a woman, though, even according to the Bible. And who can marry who has evolved over the years as well: interracial marriages were illegal in this country within the last century. I have a friend who's in an interracial marriage who used to be against same-sex marriage for the same reasons listed by all of you. She changed her mind, though, because she realized that all of the arguments currently made against same-sex marriage were once made against interracial marriage.
Your beliefs do condemn a group of people: you condemn them either to a life without any romantic love or intimacy, or hell after death. How is that not condemning?
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Post by chevyman22 on Aug 30, 2009 16:34:14 GMT -4
People have opinions and the bible says what it says. One day we will all be judged for what we do here on this earth. Your questions will be answered then.
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Post by island tech on Aug 30, 2009 17:24:24 GMT -4
Funnel I'm not hating any group! That's being taken out of context! Marriage is between a man and woman. Interracial marriages were still between a man and woman!
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Post by speedergurl68 on Aug 30, 2009 17:59:21 GMT -4
We do not HAVE to agree with everything everyone does. That is just nonsense. I can disagree about someone's choice of shoes...but that doesn't mean I am condemning them for one second. None of us can condemn any one for their personal choices and lifestyle. But we do not have to agree with them either. This isn't some sort of academic valhalla. This isn't a perfect world, nor will it ever be. People are different and that is a fact. You cannot force anyone to conform to your own set of beliefs and that is a fact. Why is it such an issue to get approval from anyone on your personal choices? That to me is dubious in nature. I make my decisions for my life and if folks like em great...if not...great. They are my decisions for my life. I will pay the price for them. Why is there this huge push to force people to agree on this issue? It's not going to happen any more than we are all going to like the same flavor of ice cream. Don't tell me it's a bigger issue than that...no, it isn't. Not for me. For the people trying to force it on me it apparently is. Take it up with them.
I will say it again...for effect...I. Do. Not. Care. Who. Anyone. Sleeps. With.
And chevyman...I couldn't agree with you more.
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Post by - on Aug 30, 2009 21:18:12 GMT -4
We do not HAVE to agree with everything everyone does. That is just nonsense. I can disagree about someone's choice of shoes...but that doesn't mean I am condemning them for one second. None of us can condemn any one for their personal choices and lifestyle. But we do not have to agree with them either. This isn't some sort of academic valhalla. This isn't a perfect world, nor will it ever be. People are different and that is a fact. You cannot force anyone to conform to your own set of beliefs and that is a fact. Why is it such an issue to get approval from anyone on your personal choices? That to me is dubious in nature. I make my decisions for my life and if folks like em great...if not...great. They are my decisions for my life. I will pay the price for them. Why is there this huge push to force people to agree on this issue? It's not going to happen any more than we are all going to like the same flavor of ice cream. Don't tell me it's a bigger issue than that...no, it isn't. Not for me. For the people trying to force it on me it apparently is. Take it up with them. I will say it again...for effect...I. Do. Not. Care. Who. Anyone. Sleeps. With. And chevyman...I couldn't agree with you more. Thanks so much SG68. I am well aware how much reading and studying you have done on all faiths. Especially after you read "God has 99 Names" written by Judy Miller. Peace be with you, -cg
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